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WCGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-29-11 05:35 AM
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If they end up voting to cut spending to help the budget "crisis" and don't raise taxes...
Edited on Sat Oct-29-11 05:39 AM by WCGreen
What will you do?

Do you have a plan because as the days march closer to the election in 2012, the ruling class will be under tremendous pressure to do "something" about the "crisis" and that means some kind of "shared sacrifice."

This idea of shared sacrifice is just a polite way of saying "fuck you" to those in need and those who are just clinging on to that ever shrinking middle class life boat.

I don't know about you but my living standards have fallen after stagnating for the last ten years.

This prosperity they are always yakking about hasn't reached far beyond the top ten percent.

All sorts of stats prove that the vast majority are just hanging on to what we have while an unacceptable number of people are free falling into permanent poverty and a sub standard way of living.

The thing is what can we do about.

If the same crowd is reelected next November and nothing changes except toward the worst unless you are ensconced in the top ten percent and then it's happy days are here again, what are you going to do.

If we really have become a two class society, do we have the balls to actually do something more than sending a strongly written letter to a congressional office that won't ever be read, ever be acted on and a good chance to take you address and file your letter into the circular file.

I watched that four part series MEltdown from Al Jazeera someone posted a few days back and I was stunned at how the rest of the world reacted when their way of life was put in jeopardy by the ass hole bankers.

I'm rambling again.

This all comes down to one very personal question and that is "what is your tipping point?"


Here is a link to the story spelled out in much better detail than any thing put out by our "mainstream media..."

http://english.aljazeera.net/programmes/meltdown/

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Autumn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-29-11 07:36 AM
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1. Tell you the truth? I don't know
it's bad out here and they don't seem to get it. I go between no way in hell will I vote for them to well at least they almost don't suck as bad as the pukes. Thanks for the post.
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SammyWinstonJack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-29-11 10:09 AM
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8. They almost do suck as bad. THEY WANTS THESE CUTS!
They've offered them up time and time again, starting with Obama and his bs 'entitlements' crap. x(


Is he trying to lose in 2012?
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canoeist52 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-29-11 08:12 AM
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2. Just had two family members laid off this week.
Recovery, my ass! Time to get our comfortable snow boots on and head downtown.
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stillwaiting Donating Member (591 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-29-11 08:25 AM
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3. ZERO cuts to the Big 3 should be allowed.
If we allow them to do this, it will be done again.

Even if they attach tax cuts or defense cuts to the bill, they will be reversed in the next Congress. They will find a way to attach it to something that Obama just won't be able to veto (for whatever fabricated reason). Cuts to social spending will not be reversed because they don't give a FUCK about us.

We can't let them make the cuts no matter what.

OWS is our only hope, and it will need to get bigger still.
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Selatius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-29-11 08:41 AM
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4. The problem is you can't win a federal level election without tremendous cash.
The top two easiest ways to gain office is to be rich enough to fund your own campaign or solicit donations and the support of the wealthiest people. If you want to be a real working class hero, there's the difficult task of meeting and greeting many working class and working poor people for donations, and because each one can only donate just a little bit, you have to work very hard to cover a lot of ground. Oh yeah, none of them own a printing press unlike the rich.
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WCGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-29-11 11:18 AM
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11. You know there was a poll out a little while back that showed
something like 65% of all millionaires would agree that they should pay more...

I think a bold leader, not a tinkerer, could get these folks on board.

Political leadership in this country is very weak, on both sides, when you come down to it...
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Puzzledtraveller Donating Member (158 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-29-11 09:30 AM
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5. I predict
They will claim revenue increases which don't really translate to increased taxes, or new taxes, just change the way the game is played, which just means the rich will just move the goal posts. Meaningful revenue increases will require overhauling the tax code, something I don't think can happen in the supercommitee.
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customerserviceguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-29-11 10:01 AM
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6. There will be no bill for the President to sign
I cannot imagine a compromise of any kind being reached even in the supercommittee, let alone something that will pass even one house of Congress. We're looking at the trigger, and the Repukes know it. They only have to give up some bloated military spending, and there are domestic cuts that have ALREADY been approved by Congress and the President.

That's why Mitch McConnell was smiling his ass off last summer. He knew his side had tricked our side.
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Fumesucker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-29-11 10:05 AM
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7. Tricked?
Please don't throw me in dat Briar Patch, Br'er Fox.

Gave cover for I'd wager is a more accurate assessment, nobody is as stupid as the Democratic leadership appears to be..
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customerserviceguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-29-11 10:17 AM
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10. Well, it looked like that to me
I should have seen stern faces coming out of all parties to those meetings. McConnell's shit-eating grin told me everything I needed to know about how this was going to turn out.
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socialist_n_TN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-29-11 10:15 AM
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9. My tipping point was reached 40 years ago
that's why I'm a commie.

But as to your OP, everybody needs to get ready because this IS NOT going away anytime soon. And yes, the political class, Dem and Republican, already have their orders from Wall Street. It's austerity for everyone, but the ownership classes.
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CaliforniaPeggy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-29-11 12:42 PM
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12. I feel so much frustration at both sides.
I don't have a clue as to what to do...

Excellent post.

K&R

:kick:
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DearAbby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-29-11 12:48 PM
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13. Nothing is more dangerous
than people who have nothing left to lose.
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DirkGently Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-29-11 01:01 PM
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14. Past it. That we're even discussing austerity at this moment says it all.
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