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NNN0LHI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-27-11 06:50 PM
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Concealed weapons may be allowed in Wisconsin state House
http://www.suntimes.com/news/nation/8455326-418/conceal...

BY THE ASSOCIATED PRESS October 27, 2011 5:04PM

MADISON, Wis. Assembly Republicans plan to allow concealed weapons on the chambers floor, in overhead galleries and in the bodys committee meetings.

Assembly Speaker Jeff Fitzgerald, a Horicon Republican, said Thursday individual representatives will be allowed to decide whether to allow weapons in their offices.
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haikugal Donating Member (476 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-27-11 06:52 PM
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1. I'm sorry but I have visions of someone like Bachman shooting some
poor woman in the bathroom for looking at her wrong.
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yourout Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-27-11 06:52 PM
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2. What a hideously bad idea.
the Fitzgeralds are a blight on my state.
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Township75 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-27-11 06:54 PM
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3. Why shouldn't someone who passed the background checks and met the requirements for a CCW be allowed
to do this? I'm all for it. Afterall, if they can do it in any other public place, or private place where not forbidden by the owner, why shouldn't our politicians be treated the same as the rest of us?
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DisgustipatedinCA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-27-11 08:33 PM
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9. It shouldn't be allowed because it's intimidating
If you hadn't noticed, political arguments can get heated. Heated + gun nut = bad idea.
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Pigheaded Donating Member (150 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-27-11 08:36 PM
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10. Concealed means concealed
So you would not even know.

PH
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DisgustipatedinCA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-27-11 08:45 PM
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13. Yes. Therefore, you would have to assume your political opponents are armed
This is the intimidation I spoke of, and it's a horrible idea on its face. You know, there really are some places on the surface of the planet where guns shouldn't be allowed. This is one of them, and to claim otherwise exceeds advocacy and starts to sound like zealotry.
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Township75 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-27-11 08:46 PM
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14. Few things.
1) I wish I had the chance to read the previously deleted posts. I love reading venom!!!

2) Intimidating? Well, it should be concealed otherwise the gun holder can be arrested. Additionally, the GA has police officers working in it. And political arguments can happen anywhere, not just at the GA, so are you supposed to avoid them bc someone may be carrying? I don't, do you?

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DisgustipatedinCA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-27-11 08:52 PM
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16. I think #13 covers most of my response
I would add that the state house, in general and hopeful terms, should be a place of contemplation and deliberation. Surely you can see that the thought of an angry republican gun nut of a legislator in the same committee meeting you're attending is one that could be potentially intimidating, and it should be forbidden. This is not to say that the Democratic legislators of the house would run scared, but they'd be subject to that intimidation from time to time. It makes the playing field less even, and it's fetishist in its conception.
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Township75 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-27-11 08:49 PM
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15. SHIT! Why did I have to miss the hate posts :(
What did it say?!?!? Please repost or PM me!!!
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Scuba Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-27-11 07:14 PM
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5. Yes, but if you carry a cardboard sign, they arrest you!
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TheCowsCameHome Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-27-11 07:36 PM
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6.  Now everyone will be safer in that crime-riddled building . So there.
:sarcasm:
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EC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-27-11 08:30 PM
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8. Does this apply to the citizens that come to redress
Edited on Thu Oct-27-11 08:30 PM by EC
their government or the gallery?
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annabanana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-27-11 08:40 PM
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11. What could possibly go wrong?
(my head hurts)
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Enrique Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-27-11 08:41 PM
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12. as long as they don't let the Supreme Court judges carry
:scared:
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metalbot Donating Member (234 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-27-11 09:04 PM
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17. There was an interesting twist on this in Texas
About two years ago, metal detectors were installed in the Texas capital building. The point was immediately raised that "well, Texas Concealed Handgun licensees are prohibited from a very specific list of places (schools, bars, sporting events). What about when they visit the capital building?". The result was that they installed two sets of lines - one for CHL licensees, who simply had to show their CHL to pass through, the other for "everyone else" who had to go through the security check. The result of this was actually a run on CHL classes in the Austin area for lobbyists who wanted to be able to bypass the lines by flashing a CHL on their way in to the capital building.

Personally, I'm fully supportive of allowing CHL holders to carry in government offices. There's no intimidation factor involved here, since you have no idea who is armed. The notion that someone who is a CHL holder is somehow going to turn violent as a result of this legislative change is silly. If you're mad enough to kill someone over a piece of legislation, the fact that carrying in the capital building is illegal isn't going to stop you. There's substantial evidence that CHL holders are more law abiding than the average citizen, and since you can't tell that they are armed, there's no argument that they are somehow more intimidating.
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