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ThomWV (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-22-11 04:54 PM Original message |
Just a reminder, the GOP didn't actually Filibuster anything to kill the jobs bill |
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lib2DaBone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-22-11 04:58 PM Response to Original message |
1. K/R |
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rbnyc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-22-11 05:53 PM Response to Reply #1 |
21. Both sides are invested in failure... |
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Amonester (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-23-11 09:07 AM Response to Reply #21 |
41. Both "actual" sides do... |
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tomp (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-23-11 09:33 AM Response to Reply #21 |
42. dems and repubs are one side, we are the other. nt |
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elleng (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-22-11 04:59 PM Response to Original message |
2. As to the old-style filibuster, senate rules changed some time ago, |
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ClassWarrior (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-22-11 05:02 PM Response to Reply #2 |
3. No they didn't. Unless the Rape-Publicans declaring it so makes it so. |
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elleng (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-22-11 05:17 PM Response to Reply #3 |
10. 'No they didn't,' that's why we see repugs 'actually' filibustering these days. |
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rhett o rick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-22-11 05:22 PM Response to Reply #10 |
12. They dont have to filibuster. The very mention of it makes the Democrats run and hide. |
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JHB (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-22-11 05:51 PM Response to Reply #12 |
18. It had its uses when it was something which was used only occasionally. |
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TheWraith (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-23-11 12:17 PM Response to Reply #3 |
51. FILIBUSTERS DO NOT WORK THE WAY YOU THINK THEY DO. |
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DeSwiss (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-22-11 05:04 PM Response to Original message |
4. K&R for the TRUTH - n/t |
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connecticut yankee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-22-11 05:08 PM Response to Original message |
5. The Democrats |
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rhett o rick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-22-11 05:26 PM Response to Reply #5 |
13. Yes because they can use it as an excuse not to pass legislation. nm |
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mitchtv (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-22-11 06:08 PM Response to Reply #5 |
22. what do you think are chances the that the Pukes will do away w/it? |
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hobbit709 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-22-11 05:10 PM Response to Original message |
6. when my congresscritter Lloyd Doggett was in the TX Senate |
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tritsofme (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-22-11 05:10 PM Response to Original message |
7. Leadership was not able to invoke cloture and end debate. |
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Dragonfli (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-22-11 07:21 PM Response to Reply #7 |
25. They were not able to end debate, true, but then why didn't they make them "debate" 'til they could? |
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joshcryer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-22-11 08:12 PM Response to Reply #25 |
32. That's why they call it the virtual filibuster, it's not a real filibuster, it's a rigged system. |
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tritsofme (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-22-11 08:23 PM Response to Reply #25 |
33. Cute games with semantics aside, the "filibuster" you dream of is a myth. |
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Dragonfli (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-22-11 08:49 PM Response to Reply #33 |
34. You are the one playing Semantics, if they made then filibuster, no other work could get done |
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tritsofme (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-22-11 09:10 PM Response to Reply #34 |
35. The majority has the burden of govening. |
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Dragonfli (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-23-11 12:01 AM Response to Reply #35 |
38. They have the burden of governing and yet through timidness abdicate the governing to |
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AtomicKitten (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-22-11 05:12 PM Response to Original message |
8. I completely agree and that may be the next political theater if the Dems are smart. |
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Hoopla Phil (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-22-11 05:14 PM Response to Original message |
9. How many Democrats are there in the Senate currently? |
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hobbit709 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-22-11 05:17 PM Response to Reply #9 |
11. Democrats or DINO's? |
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Hoopla Phil (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-22-11 05:30 PM Response to Reply #11 |
15. That's why there is a position call The Whip. |
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hobbit709 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-22-11 05:45 PM Response to Reply #15 |
16. Evidently the person in that position isn't very effective. |
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izquierdista (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-22-11 05:49 PM Response to Reply #16 |
17. Perhaps it should be changed |
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hobbit709 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-22-11 05:53 PM Response to Reply #17 |
20. I'd settle for chaining them to their seats |
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Tx4obama (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-22-11 05:28 PM Response to Reply #9 |
14. It takes 60 'yes' votes to bring cloture on a bill before a bill can have a final vote. |
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Dragonfli (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-22-11 07:24 PM Response to Reply #14 |
26. They could force them to debate, rather than just folding without them actually filibustering |
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spanone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-22-11 05:52 PM Response to Original message |
19. k&r... |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-22-11 06:18 PM Response to Original message |
23. By the current rules, it was a filibuster. Those rules changed decades ago. |
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Dragonfli (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-22-11 07:26 PM Response to Reply #23 |
27. That is simply not true /nt |
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bvar22 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-22-11 07:00 PM Response to Original message |
24. Aside from that, |
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Poll_Blind (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-22-11 07:28 PM Response to Original message |
28. You're absolutely correct: There was no filibuster, only the threat of one. nt |
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Rex (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-22-11 07:31 PM Response to Original message |
29. I think we are in that part of the relationship where both parties |
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moose65 (525 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-22-11 08:08 PM Response to Original message |
30. Well, technically they didn't filibuster the jobs bill, did they? |
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joshcryer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-22-11 08:09 PM Response to Original message |
31. *sigh* The virtual filibuster doesn't require them to stand up and speak. |
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robinlynne (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-22-11 09:43 PM Response to Original message |
36. I am so WITH you. This has always amde me furious. backroom deals instead of |
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treestar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-22-11 09:44 PM Response to Original message |
37. How many times has this been debunked? |
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Codeine (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-23-11 09:36 AM Response to Reply #37 |
43. I cannot comprehend why we need to have this conversation once a week or so. |
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Romulox (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-23-11 09:44 AM Response to Reply #43 |
44. "Reid triggers ‘nuclear option’ to change Senate rules" |
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unblock (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-23-11 12:47 AM Response to Original message |
39. ANY tactic that delays or foils the will of the senate majority is BY DEFINITION a filibuster |
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Romulox (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-23-11 08:52 AM Response to Original message |
40. Senate rules may be changed on a majority vote. Harry Reid did it THIS YEAR> |
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Better Believe It (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-23-11 09:49 AM Response to Original message |
45. Senator Reid just used the Constitutional Option "nuclear option" to stop a Republican filibuster. |
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Romulox (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-23-11 10:09 AM Response to Reply #45 |
47. Impossible! |
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Swede (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-23-11 09:55 AM Response to Original message |
46. Dick Durbin: Time to change the filibuster |
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SwampG8r (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-23-11 11:06 AM Response to Original message |
48. the loyalists squeal on about filibusters but |
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stillwaiting (591 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-23-11 11:50 AM Response to Original message |
49. The elected Democrats #1 priority is to ensure the viability of the Republican Party. |
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libinnyandia (526 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-23-11 12:06 PM Response to Original message |
50. Dysfunctional Senate |
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