Herman Cain: Social Security is 'immoral', 'oppressive' and 'discriminates against blacks'.

[sinkingfeeling]

http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2011/10/20/8415011-on-social-security-cain-wrote-of-the-democratic-plantation-separate-water-fountains

But Herman Cain -- whose 9-9-9 plan proposes eliminating the payroll tax, which funds Social Security -- has gone so far as to call Social Security and the tax code “immoral” and “oppressive,” that they impose “involuntary servitude” and that the “system by its very nature discriminates against black men and women,” a review of Cain’s past writings reveals.

Under a 2005 column titled, “Separate Water Fountains,” Cain wrote, “It is now evident that the Civil Rights Act of 1964 did not apply to the Social Security system. Due to the rising retirement age, differences in life expectancy between Blacks and Whites, and mandatory payroll tax deductions, the system by its very nature discriminates against black men and women.”

He went on to say in another column that Social Security and the tax code “thwart the natural, individual motivation of citizens to use their God-given talents to pursue happiness and their respective dreams,” Cain wrote.

He continued, “Any program that undermines an individual's liberty to create ownership is, then, by its very nature, immoral.”

[TwilightGardener]

1. Does anybody know a single person who shaped his or her life around

someday receiving Social Security? This is nonsensical.

[RebelOne]

13. I never did, but I was sure glad it was there when I needed it. n/t

[Scuba]

2. Herman, you might have been OK at pizza, but you suck at economics. n/t

[jmowreader]

29. Never ate one of his pizzas, I take it

Herman Cain may not have invented pizza that tastes like the box it came in, but he's one of its leading proponents.

[newspeak]

40. when he became CEO, it seemed that the quality when down

haven't had their pizza for a while now. The guy is illogical and ignorant when it comes to history. It would do him good to take a nice long look at the great depression. Yeah, social security is stifling ones' ability to work--what a fekkin clueless jerk.

If this guy becomes president, I am going to beg my children to leave this country. Of course, there may be many who want to evacuate the titanic.

[spanone]

3. cain proves you don't need intelligence to be a corporate stooge

[hifiguy]

4. Keep boring holes in the bottom of your boat, Hermie

and it will sink faster than you think. What a loon. :crazy:

[qb]

The Soft Bigotry of Low Expectations 2.0

[qb]

5. The Soft Bigotry of Low Expectations 2.0

[msongs]

6. So Herman wants to return to the days of slavery? He says as much right here....

"He continued, “Any program that undermines an individual's liberty to create ownership is, then, by its very nature, immoral.”

whatta guy

[PA Democrat]

7. How about addressing access to health care for minorities and the poor

through single payer. Unequal access to health care is the REAL discrimination.

[aint_no_life_nowhere]

8. He needs to speak out more about killing people and allowing them to die

Cain is heading in the right direction, but he needs to follow up his words with his pledge to take away social security so that old people can die an undignified death in the streets in mid-winter when they have no money for food, clothing, heat and shelter.

Cain needs to offer to strangle illegal aliens with his bare hands if elected President. The talk of electrocutions through his fence made most GOPers cum in their pants. In fact, if Michelle Bachmann started talking about allowing the sick to die and aliens to be put to death, it might revive her campaign. Her problem is that she represents yesterday's watered-down crazy. The level of craziness has completely passed her by.

[SheilaT]

9. Good grief. The only way Social Security could be

construed as discriminating against blacks is to observe that most black peopole make less money than most white people, and in the end collect less Social Security. On the up side (heavy dose of irony here) black people tend not to live as long as white people, so maybe (again, heavy dose of irony) they don't need as much money.

I have not been planning my entire life around SS, but now that I am 63, I'm paying careful attention to when it makes the most sense for me to start collecting.

[RebelOne]

16. Well, don't file for Social Security until you are 65,

because that way you will get the full benefit.

[sinkingfeeling]

17. It's now 66 to get full benefits.

[RebelOne]

22. Ok, it was 7 years ago when I filed and the age was 65 to claim full benefits. n/t

[SheilaT]

21. Yep. 66. And if I can postpone to

70 the benefit increases. I'm paying very careful attention to all that, as well as to what I am earning in my job.

I will probably collect at 66 and keep on working until 70.

[RebelOne]

23. I did that. I filed at 65 and kept working until I was 70.

I would still be working now, but was laid off. Fortunately, I had some money built up in my 401K, so that I won't have to be eating cat food for a few years.

[SheilaT]

32. If you were born before 1943, your age for full

benefits is 65. Born between 1943 and 1954 (which is exactly the range of years during which I and my siblings were born!) it's 66.

[Fire Walk With Me]

10. This Klown has obviously never needed such assistance or had to live at that level.

Perhaps he should try it to see just how it feels. OR, is he proposing giving millions of dollars to all current receipients so that they may go out and feel powerful and moral?

[Avalux]

11. So.....there is descrimination against Blacks in this country?

Which is it Mr. Cain? You said there isn't, so why bring up the Civils Rights act when you refused to participate in the Civil Rights Movement, and claim it wasn't relevant?

[dtexdem]

12. Many poor elders, many African American elders, rely on SS as their only source of income.

And for many, SS checks represent the first time in their lives that they knew where each month's money would come from.

But SS could be reformed to reduce or eliminate disparities, including: differential rates of aging/need for SS, differential rates of wages and salaries reflected in different SS benefits, lack of reflecting unpaid work such as housekeeping and raising children, and so on.

SS is an extremely moral system that could be made more moral. Cain is an immoral servant of his own self interests and of corporate masters, including the Koch brothers. Cain would steal from all poor and middle class people (so from most African Americans) to provide yet more wealth to the richest.

[undergroundpanther]

25. Umm It's not just seniors

Godammit there are disabled people,people with psych problems too that rely on social security to live.I HATE being politically invisible and everyone saying seniors rends us invisible politically.. I signed another contract not to kill myself today,how do you think I'll handle a demanding petulant petty tyrant boss with an IQ like 70 points below mine half my age ,well off since birth ordering me around,doing bullshit,fucking with my wages and shit,working with a bunch of vindictive gossips,watching everything I say at work,online..I'd be a very disgruntled employee indeed.. because I can't handle too much stress,my body is nearly destroyed from what other people chose to do to me. I can't sleep,I can't recall things,I can't function,I had a freakout in the grocery store ..And if I am unlucky in the boss lotto I'm very likely to stop caring about everything,say fuckit I hate my life anyway,and get rid of that petty tyrant forever and wait for overeager wing nut cops to come and put 100 bullets into the crazee..woowee
it's not just for old people, it is after all a disability insurance too.And more times than right wingers ever want to admit people on Social security income ARE Disabled.

[pinto]

14. ...

:eyes:

[indepat]

15. Interesting in view of Cain's immoral and oppressive 999 tax plan which

would heap much higher taxes on the bottom 80% and impose much lower taxes on the upper 20% and thereby exact voluntary servitude on much of that 80%. Is Cain coo-koo, just plain silly, or out of his element? :patriot:

[socialindependocrat]

18. I wonder if he'd say the same about welfare??

Let's see how long this post stays up.

Sorry, I couldn't help myself. I find humor in EVERYTHING!!!!!

I mean someone else has to be saying the same thing.....right??

[onecent]

19. Heaven help us all IF he gets the nomination. K&R

[libinnyandia]

30. Cain 2012

I wouldn't worry if he gets the nomination.He would be a weak candidate in the general election. Most people don't want to pay higher taxes while the 1%ers have lower taxes. If he were to win the election then America would deserve what happened to it.

[Tippy]

20. Any one figure out why this joker is even running for President......?

Why are Republicans so hard up? Is ALEC behind this? If so what is their motive.

[shanti]

34. yes, that's what it seems like, a joke

nobody to take seriously. but so was palin.

[undergroundpanther]

24. Ownership is evil

it is WHY we are not free to create.


The box is full of salmon, and a man sits atop the box. Long ago this man hired armed guards to keep anyone from eating his fish. The many people who sit next to the empty river starve to death. But they do not die of starvation. They die of a belief. Everyone believes that the man atop the box owns the fish. The soldiers believe it, and they will kill to protect the illusion. The others believe it enough that they are willing to starve. But the truth is that there is a box, there is an emptied river, there is a man sitting atop the box, there are guns, and there are starving people.


snip

Another way to put this is that social arrangements of nonaggressive cultures eliminate the polarity between selfishness and altruism by making the two identical: In a "good" culture, the man atop the box from the parable above would have been scorned, despised, exiled, or otherwise prevented from damaging the community. To behave in such a selfish and destructive manner would be considered insane. Even had he conceived such a preposterous idea as hoarding all the fish, he would have been absolutely disallowed because the box was held at the expense of the majority, as well as at the expense of future generations. For him to be a rich and influential member of a good culture, he would have had to give away many or all of the fish. The act of giving would have made him rich in esteem. But he would never have been allowed to strip the river. There would have been no fear with regard to the "gift" of fish, for social arrangements would have made him secure in the knowledge that if his next fishing trip failed, his more successful neighbors would feed him, just as this time he had fed them.


http://www.ranprieur.com/readings/jensenbox.html

[Rosco T.]

26. He sounds more like Uncle Ruckus every day...

Best of Uncle Ruckus - pt1 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=knQWlri5GGw

pt2 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yta_H2d93uI

[hifiguy]

28. That is a spot on assessment.

Cain should be referred to at all times as "Uncle Ruckus." :rofl:

[nadinbrzezinski]

27. Frames and language and history

That's all I am going to say 'bout this.

[TheCowsCameHome]

31. Work until you die, or get sick on his pizzas. That's the Cain way.

What a jackwagon.

[Luciferous]

33. WTF is that man smoking?!

[FLAprogressive]

35. FLAProgressive: Herman Cain is 'a dumbass', 'arrogant', and 'needs to go pound sand'

[unkachuck]

36. wrong again, herman....

....the only thing that's 'immoral', 'oppressive' and 'discriminates' are your crappy pizzas....

http://dyn.politico.com/members/forums/thread.cfm?catid=1&subcatid=5&threadid=6044958&start=1¤tPage=1

....Social Security is universally supported in the African American community (as in every other community in the US)....do you wish you were universally supported in the African American community?

[iris27]

37. So I assume, since he's stealing rhetoric from Chris Rock now, that he is also behind Rock's

proposed solution?

"Got all these taxes-- city tax, state tax, social security tax. You don't get the money till you're 65...meanwhile, the average black man dies at 54. Shit, we SHOULD get Social Security at 29! What the fuck, man? We don't live that long. Hypertension, high blood pressure, NYPD, something will get you."

[sinkingfeeling]

38. Maybe Chris Rock is his advisor on this matter.

[SammyWinstonJack]

39. Word salad. He's crazy.