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cowcommander (679 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-17-11 10:02 AM Original message |
Why is Mexico poor? |
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Joanne98 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-17-11 10:04 AM Response to Original message |
1. US interference, Supporting the "hacienda owners" wealthy families |
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FreakinDJ (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-17-11 10:40 AM Response to Reply #1 |
16. You have any supporting links for that statement |
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Kali (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-17-11 11:38 AM Response to Reply #16 |
22. read some history |
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FreakinDJ (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-17-11 11:46 AM Response to Reply #22 |
23. Ya like I said No Credible evidence of US involvement |
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mix (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-17-11 12:01 PM Response to Reply #23 |
27. The Mexican-American War, NAFTA, the War on Drugs, unconditional |
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FreakinDJ (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-17-11 12:35 PM Response to Reply #27 |
31. The Mexican-American War - you mean when Mexico refused |
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mix (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-17-11 12:42 PM Response to Reply #31 |
33. And then what happened in 1846? |
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FreakinDJ (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-17-11 12:54 PM Response to Reply #33 |
39. Them Pesky Facts |
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mix (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-17-11 12:58 PM Response to Reply #39 |
40. I believe we're talking about two different conflicts. |
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FreakinDJ (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-17-11 01:20 PM Response to Reply #39 |
41. Again - they were repeatedly betrayed by their own countrymen |
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mix (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-17-11 01:28 PM Response to Reply #41 |
45. . |
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apocalypsehow (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-17-11 03:48 PM Response to Reply #41 |
60. Excellent summation of the irrefutable facts as they really are throughout this sub-thread! |
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mix (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-17-11 06:17 PM Response to Reply #60 |
73. thank you for encouraging historical misinformation and fantasy nt |
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apocalypsehow (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-17-11 07:13 PM Response to Reply #73 |
74. To the contrary, I was applauding a cogent assemblage of the relevant historical facts & truth, |
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mix (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-17-11 08:21 PM Response to Reply #74 |
76. Your "facts," and your friend's, are fallacies, with no scholarly or academic backing. None. |
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apocalypsehow (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-17-11 09:30 PM Response to Reply #76 |
81. Wrong: they are the correct historical narrative. The posts above stand un-refuted, by you or anyone |
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mix (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-17-11 09:43 PM Response to Reply #81 |
82. Give me one authoritative source, once legitimate scholarly example |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-17-11 09:58 PM Response to Reply #82 |
84. Would a contemporary at the time serve? As in a primary source? |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-17-11 08:35 PM Response to Reply #74 |
79. lol. here's some facts. |
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Gaedel (802 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-17-11 02:05 PM Response to Reply #33 |
51. Generally, if you lose a war |
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mix (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-17-11 02:22 PM Response to Reply #51 |
54. Whose military crossed into the zone between the Nueces and Rio Grande? |
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Hugabear (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-18-11 12:21 AM Response to Reply #51 |
89. Apples and oranges |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-17-11 04:26 PM Response to Reply #31 |
62. "No Credible evidence of US involvement" my ass. |
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Scruffy1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-17-11 06:13 PM Response to Reply #62 |
71. Thank you Hannah |
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blindpig (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-18-11 04:36 PM Response to Reply #31 |
91. And what was a major point of contention in Texas? |
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Hugabear (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-18-11 12:18 AM Response to Reply #23 |
88. You don't think stealing half their country was a bad thing? |
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SugarShack (979 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-17-11 11:54 AM Response to Reply #22 |
25. The never ending US subsities to US farmers....and it's mostly GM corn! |
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stockholmer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-17-11 12:51 PM Response to Reply #16 |
37. Warren Buffet elite enough 4 you? Wachovia(Wells Fargo) laundred $100's of billion in Mex drug money |
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mix (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-17-11 12:09 PM Response to Reply #1 |
28. +1 |
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no_hypocrisy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-17-11 10:04 AM Response to Original message |
2. A lot of small farmers were forced off their land due to the flooding of cheaper American |
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Dont_Bogart_the_Pretzel (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-17-11 10:59 AM Response to Reply #2 |
20. It's been messed up along time before NAFTA |
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fascisthunter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-17-11 10:06 AM Response to Original message |
3. as Stated above, US Interference... |
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Ezlivin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-17-11 10:11 AM Response to Original message |
4. They outsourced all of their Taco Bells |
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WinkyDink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-17-11 10:12 AM Response to Original message |
5. CORRUPTION and COLLUSION with the drug cartel. |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-17-11 10:12 AM Response to Original message |
6. Massive corruption at all levels of government |
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bluestate10 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-17-11 12:45 PM Response to Reply #6 |
34. Agreed. Mexico has had historically corrupt government. |
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WhiteTara (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-17-11 03:04 PM Response to Reply #6 |
57. so pervasive that is is called |
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MineralMan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-17-11 10:20 AM Response to Original message |
7. Historical. The Europeans established Mexico as a colony, |
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Joanne98 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-17-11 10:22 AM Response to Reply #7 |
8. That too! |
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Celeborn Skywalker (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-17-11 10:26 AM Response to Reply #7 |
10. That's true too. |
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fascisthunter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-17-11 10:40 AM Response to Reply #7 |
15. I think that is true |
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MineralMan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-17-11 10:55 AM Response to Reply #15 |
18. Yup. The same situations holds generally throughout Central |
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mix (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-17-11 12:21 PM Response to Reply #7 |
29. Mexico does not remain a "European colony." |
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Gaedel (802 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-17-11 02:11 PM Response to Reply #7 |
52. Historical, The Europeans established the US and Canada as colonies |
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timo (890 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-17-11 06:00 PM Response to Reply #7 |
68. some exceptions |
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Celeborn Skywalker (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-17-11 10:25 AM Response to Original message |
9. Corruption. |
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timo (890 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-17-11 06:02 PM Response to Reply #9 |
69. hmmm |
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Celeborn Skywalker (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-17-11 06:09 PM Response to Reply #69 |
70. True. |
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ladjf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-17-11 10:27 AM Response to Original message |
11. The poverty in Mexico shows what the situation will be in the U.S. |
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hunter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-17-11 03:41 PM Response to Reply #11 |
58. Less than 50 years. |
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ladjf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-17-11 03:50 PM Response to Reply #58 |
61. Your idea about the shorter time line may well be correct. I usually |
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Lint Head (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-17-11 10:32 AM Response to Original message |
12. The same story has in our country. The wealth is controlled by |
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swilton (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-17-11 11:59 AM Response to Reply #12 |
26. Go to states in the US south - |
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former9thward (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-17-11 12:39 PM Response to Reply #26 |
32. I live in the southwest and that is a ridiculous post. |
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priller (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-17-11 10:33 AM Response to Original message |
13. They're hardly unique. |
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goddess40 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-17-11 10:34 AM Response to Original message |
14. No birth control |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-17-11 12:48 PM Response to Reply #14 |
36. Actually Mexico has birth control |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-17-11 05:18 PM Response to Reply #14 |
63. that's bull. total fertility rate in mexico = 2.3 children per woman. |
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JVS (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-17-11 10:49 AM Response to Original message |
17. Rich people. |
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doc03 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-17-11 10:57 AM Response to Original message |
19. Mexico is the home of the richest person in the |
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Kali (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-17-11 11:37 AM Response to Original message |
21. It's not. |
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Coyote_Bandit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-17-11 11:48 AM Response to Original message |
24. Ummmm...... |
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treestar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-17-11 12:30 PM Response to Original message |
30. I wonder about that too |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-17-11 12:46 PM Response to Original message |
35. Until the 1980s Mexico was one of the emerging economies |
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NNN0LHI (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-17-11 12:52 PM Response to Original message |
38. Manifest Destiny and the diversion of the Colorado River |
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Donald Ian Rankin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-17-11 01:21 PM Response to Original message |
42. Because the Europeans didn't commit genocide there. |
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old mark (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-17-11 01:30 PM Response to Reply #42 |
46. Actually the Spanish-Europeans fer sher-worked many inhabitants to death and |
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mix (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-17-11 01:46 PM Response to Reply #42 |
49. Genocidal in the modern sense (Armenians, Jews), not quite. |
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upi402 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-17-11 01:23 PM Response to Original message |
43. repression of labor and oligarchy |
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stockholmer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-17-11 01:24 PM Response to Original message |
44. Liberty for Latin America: How to Undo 500 Years of State Oppression |
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annabanana (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-17-11 01:31 PM Response to Original message |
47. Therer is no middle class for the same reasons we are losing OURS. . .n/t |
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FreakinDJ (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-17-11 02:16 PM Response to Reply #47 |
53. DING DING DING - We have a Winner Folks |
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GSLevel9 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-17-11 01:34 PM Response to Original message |
48. their gov't and national politics? nt |
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oldlib (549 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-17-11 01:54 PM Response to Original message |
50. A solution to the immigration problem with Mexico |
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Gaedel (802 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-17-11 02:28 PM Response to Reply #50 |
55. Like Woodrow Wilson? |
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ohheckyeah (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-17-11 02:30 PM Response to Original message |
56. Corruption |
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Enrique (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-17-11 03:46 PM Response to Original message |
59. because of all the Mexicans there |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-17-11 05:39 PM Response to Reply #59 |
65. Actually that is very much a self deprecating joke |
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Odin2005 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-17-11 05:36 PM Response to Original message |
64. The empire to it's north. |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-17-11 05:41 PM Response to Original message |
66. mexico is rich. most of its people are poor. |
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MellowDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-17-11 05:54 PM Response to Original message |
67. I once was talking US politics with... |
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annabanana (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-17-11 07:36 PM Response to Reply #67 |
75. And why is THEIR government especially corrupt? |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-17-11 10:00 PM Response to Reply #67 |
85. It is just at a different level |
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bulloney (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-17-11 06:16 PM Response to Original message |
72. During the NAFTA debate, there was a report saying 60% of Mexico's GNP is controlled by 36 families |
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lumberjack_jeff (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-17-11 08:24 PM Response to Original message |
77. I mean it's not like the richest guy in the world lives there. |
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bluedigger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-17-11 08:33 PM Response to Original message |
78. I blame the Spanish, for stealing all their gold. |
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Texasgal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-17-11 08:36 PM Response to Original message |
80. where do you arrive at this thought |
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totodeinhere (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-17-11 09:49 PM Response to Reply #80 |
83. If it is not poor, why do so many want to immigrate to the USA? n/t |
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Kali (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-18-11 12:12 AM Response to Reply #83 |
87. um a lot of the Mexicans coming here to work don't want to immigrate |
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totodeinhere (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-18-11 03:57 PM Response to Reply #87 |
90. Yes I know. I was responding to the poster who asked |
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proud patriot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-17-11 10:15 PM Response to Original message |
86. Mexico is NOT poor . they have Oil |
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