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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-17-11 09:19 PM Original message |
Barney Frank said the OWS had to get political. It IS political...non partisan, bipartisan |
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Enrique (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-17-11 09:43 PM Response to Original message |
1. I hope Rachel mentioned Frank's closeness to Wall Street |
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begin_within (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-17-11 09:44 PM Response to Original message |
2. Is it bipartisan, non-partisan, post-partisan or anti-partisan? |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-17-11 09:46 PM Response to Reply #2 |
3. Take your pick. I added non-partisan. Dem leaders have said not to be partisan. |
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sabrina 1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-18-11 01:24 PM Response to Reply #2 |
67. It is non-partisan. Both parties have failed so |
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bertman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-17-11 09:48 PM Response to Original message |
4. They want us to be ANYTHING BUT Populist. REC. nt |
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lunasun (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-19-11 12:35 AM Response to Reply #4 |
78. history shows they try to squash populist by one party 'claiming their movement |
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Dragonfli (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-17-11 09:58 PM Response to Original message |
5. It may well "get political" as the start of an ACTUAL populist labor party |
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concord (296 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-18-11 06:53 PM Response to Reply #5 |
73. I like Labor Party, or even Populist Party, not Socialist Party |
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Dragonfli (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-18-11 06:55 PM Response to Reply #73 |
74. There's not enough left of it to resurrect IMO, it has been taken over by Third Way (AKA Republicans |
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Blue_In_AK (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-17-11 10:04 PM Response to Original message |
6. Thank you, thank you, thank you. |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-17-11 10:14 PM Response to Reply #6 |
8. You are right. They haven't noticed us at all. Now they do. |
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myrna minx (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-18-11 07:27 AM Response to Reply #6 |
38. Thank you. I couldn't believe my ears when I heard him chastising the people in the streets, |
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lunasun (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-19-11 12:38 AM Response to Reply #38 |
79. Been doing this with minorities a long time already |
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Billsmile (63 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-17-11 10:12 PM Response to Original message |
7. The Movement is a Populist Movement |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-18-11 01:07 AM Response to Reply #7 |
26. Good point. |
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4dsc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-18-11 06:26 AM Response to Reply #7 |
35. The Democratic party LEADERSHIP isn't out for the people |
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drexelhillbilly (1 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-17-11 10:21 PM Response to Original message |
9. Re: Barney Frank |
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Blue_In_AK (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-17-11 10:39 PM Response to Reply #9 |
10. I don't know about the rest of the country, |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-17-11 10:43 PM Response to Reply #10 |
12. And in FL the DCCC pushed out every single progressive candidate. |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-17-11 10:41 PM Response to Reply #9 |
11. Trouble is... |
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ldf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-17-11 10:53 PM Response to Reply #9 |
13. welcome to du! |
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Jim_Shorts (355 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-17-11 11:52 PM Response to Reply #13 |
20. Ditto, including "welcome drexel" |
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Bluesbreaker (205 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-18-11 05:17 AM Response to Reply #9 |
31. Why should they support the Democratic Party? |
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Remember Me (730 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-18-11 12:01 PM Response to Reply #9 |
62. what politicians and their supporters (like you) need to understand is this -- |
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newspeak (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-18-11 12:10 PM Response to Reply #62 |
65. you relinquish your right when you do not vote |
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Remember Me (730 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-18-11 11:09 PM Response to Reply #65 |
77. I'm not advocating not voting, I'm explaining it. So don't lecture ME. |
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mikeburetta (69 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-17-11 11:07 PM Response to Original message |
14. elections matter |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-17-11 11:12 PM Response to Reply #14 |
16. Actually we did that in 08. |
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deutsey (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-17-11 11:16 PM Response to Reply #16 |
17. +1 |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-18-11 12:12 AM Response to Reply #17 |
24. Few of them do. |
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Umbral (969 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-17-11 11:34 PM Response to Reply #14 |
19. Yeah, elections matter, unless you elect the largest democratic majorities in a lifetime... |
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dkf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-17-11 11:08 PM Response to Original message |
15. Likely voters believe OWS will hurt Obama. |
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kctim (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-18-11 08:58 AM Response to Reply #15 |
47. That can't be |
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Warpy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-17-11 11:30 PM Response to Original message |
18. It's 100% centrist, cutting across all those lines the plutocracy drew |
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JVS (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-18-11 12:05 AM Response to Reply #18 |
23. It isn't partisan, but I don't think it is centrist at all. |
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Warpy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-18-11 08:48 AM Response to Reply #23 |
45. Excuse me? |
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JVS (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-18-11 10:16 AM Response to Reply #45 |
51. Being against wall street barons is a leftist position no matter how many support it. |
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ClassWarrior (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-18-11 05:14 PM Response to Reply #45 |
72. "Centrism" is a fantasy. A myth. A word with no meaning. |
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Maven (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-18-11 01:20 PM Response to Reply #23 |
66. I agree with you. |
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Raksha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-19-11 02:00 AM Response to Reply #23 |
84. OWS is centrist in the sense that it represents the REAL center, |
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apocalypsehow (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-17-11 11:55 PM Response to Original message |
21. Barney Frank's answers during that segment were spot-on, and I was glad to see his voice heard. n/t. |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-18-11 12:14 AM Response to Reply #21 |
25. He's a good man. |
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Bluesbreaker (205 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-18-11 05:19 AM Response to Reply #25 |
32. He's okay on social issues, but . . . |
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Kitsune (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-18-11 12:04 AM Response to Original message |
22. What a fucking tool that man is. |
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MindPilot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-18-11 02:10 AM Response to Reply #22 |
27. I was trying to make sense of what he said. |
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Raine (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-18-11 04:00 AM Response to Reply #22 |
29. No you weren't the only one, I was screaming mad too... |
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newspeak (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-18-11 11:35 AM Response to Reply #22 |
60. I voted in 2010 |
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coalition_unwilling (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-18-11 02:15 AM Response to Original message |
28. A meteor has struck the planet and promulgated a new K-P |
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girl gone mad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-18-11 04:09 AM Response to Reply #28 |
30. Pretty much. n/t |
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haikugal (476 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-18-11 06:11 AM Response to Original message |
33. Barney showed his ass last night... |
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NNN0LHI (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-18-11 06:24 AM Response to Original message |
34. Under the bus for Barney Frank I see |
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David Sky (586 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-18-11 07:35 AM Response to Reply #34 |
39. Most insightful comment in this whole thread. I've never seen so many people on here |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-18-11 08:01 AM Response to Reply #39 |
40. I did NOT TRASH Barney Frank. I gave my views of what he said. |
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David Sky (586 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-18-11 08:15 AM Original message |
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David Sky (586 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-18-11 08:15 AM Response to Reply #40 |
42. Then you don't have a scintilla of understanding of what Barney Fank said! |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-18-11 11:02 AM Response to Reply #42 |
55. "people who are simply ignorant of the historical facts" |
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haikugal (476 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-18-11 12:02 PM Response to Reply #55 |
63. Well said. I was surprised by his remarks. |
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Enrique (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-18-11 08:50 AM Response to Reply #39 |
46. the chair of the Finance Committee when the crash happened? |
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deutsey (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-18-11 03:18 PM Response to Reply #46 |
69. +1 |
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Enrique (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-18-11 08:31 AM Response to Reply #34 |
44. more truth |
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concord (296 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-18-11 04:31 PM Response to Reply #44 |
71. Wow, I had no idea this data was available |
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dionysus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-18-11 09:53 AM Response to Reply #34 |
49. it's just the disgruntled former democrats of DU throwing the usual tantrums. |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-18-11 11:11 AM Response to Reply #49 |
56. "disgruntled former democrats of DU throwing the usual tantrums." |
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dionysus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-18-11 11:19 AM Response to Reply #56 |
57. as they say, if the shoe fits... |
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DonCoquixote (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-18-11 06:29 AM Response to Original message |
36. Florida's democratic party |
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PeaceNikki (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-18-11 06:32 AM Response to Original message |
37. It *IS* clearly partisan. Here in Wisconsin there is a clear delineation of good and evil |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-18-11 08:09 AM Response to Reply #37 |
41. What is clearly partisan in WI? |
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PeaceNikki (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-18-11 12:04 PM Response to Reply #41 |
64. OWS and all it stands for. |
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David Sky (586 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-18-11 08:21 AM Response to Reply #37 |
43. Love that GOP definition! I think you've got it! |
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Skidmore (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-18-11 09:44 AM Response to Original message |
48. It is political by definition, whether or not the movement is affiliated with |
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Hubert Flottz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-18-11 10:06 AM Response to Original message |
50. Rachel had Barney spinning in his boots... |
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xchrom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-18-11 10:35 AM Response to Original message |
52. sour grapes, barney. you really don't wear them well. nt |
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ecstatic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-18-11 10:36 AM Response to Original message |
53. Why does common sense bother so many people here? |
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dionysus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-18-11 11:21 AM Response to Reply #53 |
58. it's just the anti-democratic sentiment many people here have, is all. |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-18-11 11:23 AM Response to Reply #53 |
59. I wrote the post. I always vote. I have common sense. |
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Hell Hath No Fury (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-18-11 10:51 AM Response to Original message |
54. I watched that and was very saddened by Frank. |
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lunasun (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-19-11 12:59 AM Response to Reply #54 |
80. You have forced us to try something entirely new. |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-18-11 11:59 AM Response to Original message |
61. Yes, I vote. Yes, I know history. No, I don't "trash" people. Not anti-Democratic. |
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PatrynXX (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-18-11 03:15 PM Response to Original message |
68. Barney's usually fun to listen to but last night WTF was he talking about |
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Marnie (706 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-18-11 04:05 PM Response to Original message |
70. I like Barney but it is evident that in this case he just doesn't |
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midnight (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-18-11 07:22 PM Response to Original message |
75. The interesting thing about OWS is that it has moved ahead of the polititions... |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-18-11 08:54 PM Response to Reply #75 |
76. Way ahead of them. |
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lunasun (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-19-11 01:02 AM Response to Reply #75 |
81. and across borders Global turn out |
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MrSlayer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-19-11 01:20 AM Response to Original message |
82. I agree with Barney Frank, all the screaming in the world is meaningless if we don't vote. |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-19-11 01:27 AM Response to Reply #82 |
83. Where did I say not to vote? |
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MrSlayer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-19-11 02:08 AM Response to Reply #83 |
85. You didn't. |
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JVS (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-19-11 02:13 AM Response to Reply #82 |
86. It works the other way too: All the voting in the world is meaningless if we don't scream. |
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MrSlayer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-19-11 02:42 AM Response to Reply #86 |
87. Agreed. |
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Marnie (706 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-19-11 06:03 PM Response to Original message |
88. As soon as OWS gets political is limits itself to being either a |
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