Occupy Dallas has been invaded: Homeland Security, Fire Marshalls, Detectives

[rainbow4321]

All on their facebook....unmarked vans with dark windows.

http://www.facebook.com/OccupyDallas

They cannot find the lead protestor....


Last night they had a feeling things were gonna get ugly, they said that they evacuated the children and sent their media team/tent to an undisclosed location so nothing could be taken by officials.

[lunatica]

1. The police state is in place

Now they're hoping for a chance to test it.

Why else create a police state? Why have one if you don't use it?

[rainbow4321]

6. Hmm, their "livestream" is a recording from last night

The woman acting as the anchor is reporting what was happening at 11 pm last night, that is when the cars arrived. No word on the guy who has been MIA since it happened. He had been providing license plate numbers and vehicle types to the rest of the group and Facebook. Someone else on the FB page was running the tags

[formercia]

7. The point of the 'Patriot Act' was for situations such as this

The PTB knew this would happen, once people woke up to the facts.

[leveymg]

2. I'd like to know how anyone can tell DHS from state or local cops if they aren't telling?

Here's that post: "Media has relocated and our equipment is set up. We sent our Security out to gather recon. Here is what he said: There are several agencies here and they have strategically placed themselves on the exposed three sides of the park. We have spotted: Homeland Security, US Marshals, Fire Marshals, Detectives and County Sheriffs." How do they know who's who?

If DHS is actually there, that is another indicator that Operation GARDEN PLOT (or whatever it's called today) has been activated, and this whole nationwide OWS crackdown is being coordinated by DHS and NORTHCOM.

That means there are long-planned protocols that call for full-spectrum electronic surveillance, disruption and discreditization, media blackouts, media manipulation, mass arrests and all the rest. There's a script, and this seems to be proceeding according to one.

[EFerrari]

3. Like this, maybe.

[bananas]

4. That should be a clue-by-four. nt

[leveymg]

8. Where was that shot taken? If it was on a federal bldg or contractor location, DHS has routine

facilities protection jurisdiction through Federal Protective Services and other agencies. DHS also routinely appears publicly in uniform through CPD, ICE and the Border Patrol.

I've never seen a uniformed DHS officer in a crowd control role outside a federal facility or an ICE raid. If that is indeed happening with OWS events, this indicates federalization and a serious escalation in the rules of engagement.

[rainbow4321]

9. Last year on a Dallas light rail train we had 2 of them

Their vests said DHS police or something like that...it def identified them as DHS. They had a K-9 with them.

[EFerrari]

10. It was in a BART Station but I'm not sure which one.

During one of our protests after BART shut down cell service.

[leveymg]

16. The train stations like the airports are also DHS federal jurisdiction. TSA.

If anyone sees these guys in city parks or other non-federal locations, however, please let everyone else know. Unless there's a national emergency declared or there's a federal task force approved by DOJ, they shouldn't be there carrying out any actual law enforcement role.

[bananas]

5. There was a tv documentary

not sure what channel, might have been a cable tv channel,
showed how NYPD had integrated with police forces in other cities,
even internationally including India after the Mumbai attack.
The documentary showed the extensive video monitoring,
including high zoom cameras on helicopters (with anti-shake of course).

And don't forget the Fusion Centers: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fusion_center

City police forces are being integrated not just nationally but internationally.
This started a long time ago with FBI setting up offices in other countries.
IIRC, the changes came shortly after the Ollie North hearings, where it was divulged that they were breaking the laws restricting the CIA from acting domestically and the FBI from acting in foreign countries, the laws were quietly changed so that everything they did was legal.
The restrictions had been put in place as a result of the Church Committee hearings (IIRC = If I Recall Correctly).

[EFerrari]

11. I remember that story but think I heard it on Amy's show. n/t

[lunatica]

14. It was a Rachel Maddow and Richard Engle special

[lunatica]

13. I saw that. They even have NYPD who are divers who work in the East River daily

I think that was the special that Rachel Maddow and Richard Engle had about what has happened after 911.

[bananas]

15. I think that was it, I remember the divers now that you mention it. nt

[starroute]

19. I'd think this was pure tinfoil except that I trust your take on things

I've had a sneaking suspicion for years that the people in power were scared shitless by the 1960s and have been working on ways to keep it from ever happening again.

I've had a suspicion that the ramping up of the prison system was being done with an eye to mass arrests -- and that the war on drugs was just a placeholder, to give a plausible reason for needing so many additional facilities while they prepared for the real crisis.

I've also had a suspicion that the war on terror was another displacement, using overseas troublemakers as a surrogate for domestic radicals. If you look back to the 1970s and 80s, anti-communism, counter-terrorism, and the suppression of "subversion" were all part of the same coordinated effort at control. Those connections faded with the fall of the Soviet Union, but both the right-wing propaganda and the enforcement apparatus are still in place and ready to put back in motion.

For that matter, I've got a bad feeling about these current proposals to place all terrorism suspects under military rather than civilian justice. Would it be constitutional for domestic protesters to be declared terrorists and shipped off to Gitmo? I hope we never have to find out.

The one bright spot I see is that if there really are people thinking along these lines, they're fighting the last war. The OWS movement is an open conspiracy. It's very hard to cast people who organize on Facebook and discuss their plans at the tops of their voices in the public square as old-fashioned covert agents. But that doesn't mean they won't try. As far as I know, all the arrests to this point have been for things like disorderly conduct or trespassing -- but if we start to see more heavy-duty charges being rolled out, that will mean things are getting serious.

[lunatica]

12. Yesterday while I was at a red light on 35th and MacArthur in Oakland

I counted 8 cameras pointing in different directions at that intersection. I've also started looking for them and it's amazing how many there are. Few people ever look up to see them.

[PETRUS]

17. K&R nt

[rainbow4321]

18. Update: No moves were made by the black van people

But tweet/facebook are saying that 3 sides of the park were surrounded by local police. The missing committee head was found safe/sound, he was in a flooded tent (downpour last night, tents were getting flooded, people stayed up to keep some from blowing away).

The "permit" given by the city has been null/void as of 5 pm yesterday since no insurance policy was taken out---the occupier's lawyer was on the news last night saying he called around to many places and couldn't even find any company even offering a policy like the one the city was demanding. So now it is a matter of wait and see what the city (or whoever else) will do next.

[snot]

20. Since when does a free people have to buy insurance as a condition to exercising

their Constitutional rights?

Rhetorical question.

[rainbow4321]

21. Their case is before a federal court now

The occupiers' lawyer presented it to the court today, asking for an injunction to prevent the city from demanding the permit/insurance. Stupid thing is, the damn permit (per the city's OWN law) is for groups of more then 1,500 people...Occupy Dallas has NO where near that number of people occupying the park.
Per a recent tweet, someone said that the Dallas Police say that they will make no moves until the court makes a decision...that is supposed to happen Friday morning.

From what I have read, the only reason the group applied for the permit was to be able to get port-a-potties at the park so occupants wouldn't have to walk blocks away in the dark...and I think it would have gotten them trash pick up services, also.