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jsamuel (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-05-11 09:54 PM Original message |
Is OWS a socialist movement? |
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PDJane (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-05-11 09:55 PM Response to Original message |
1. social democracy movement. |
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Earth_First (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-05-11 09:56 PM Response to Original message |
2. Corporate media-whore talk. |
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jsamuel (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-05-11 09:57 PM Response to Reply #2 |
4. hey, only if you think socialist is a bad word, a lot of people don't |
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FarLeftFist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-05-11 09:57 PM Response to Original message |
3. It' a democracy movement. Power to the people. Definitely anti-fascist. |
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Fire Walk With Me (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-05-11 09:58 PM Response to Original message |
5. We don't recognize democracy when it's practiced in front of us? |
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jsamuel (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-05-11 09:59 PM Response to Reply #5 |
9. democracy and socialism are not opposed |
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Fire Walk With Me (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-05-11 10:26 PM Response to Reply #9 |
27. Well then, I've learned something new this evening. Question: From what you've seen |
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jsamuel (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-05-11 10:36 PM Response to Reply #27 |
28. good question, it definitely isn't capitalism |
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Jack Rabbit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-05-11 09:58 PM Response to Original message |
6. If being for democracy makes one a socialist, then I guess they are . . . |
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valerief (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-05-11 09:58 PM Response to Original message |
7. It's what democracy is supposed to be. Majority rule. We used to have that before |
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RKP5637 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-05-11 10:01 PM Response to Reply #7 |
13. And, before the '1% Rule' of Corporatism took over the country. n/t |
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Ken Burch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-05-11 09:59 PM Response to Original message |
8. It's a movement for some kind of alternative to the status quo |
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RKP5637 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-05-11 10:05 PM Response to Reply #8 |
15. Your last sentence really made a lot of sense to me. I think you summed up nicely EXACTLY |
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RKP5637 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-05-11 09:59 PM Response to Original message |
10. I think of it as a democracy movement. Democracy in this country has been |
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bluestateguy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-05-11 10:00 PM Response to Original message |
11. I don't know. Nor do I care. |
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PETRUS (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-05-11 10:00 PM Response to Original message |
12. It represents the 99% |
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RoccoR5955 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-05-11 10:02 PM Response to Original message |
14. Yes it is, and socialism is better than what we have now, |
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jsamuel (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-05-11 10:07 PM Response to Reply #14 |
17. It is hard not to agree that it is based on socialist ideas considering the importance of the 99% |
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qb (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-05-11 10:06 PM Response to Original message |
16. It's socialist, it's communist, it's satanist-label it what you want. It's what this country needs |
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Kievan Rus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-05-11 10:07 PM Response to Original message |
18. Anti-corporatist does not mean socialist |
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jsamuel (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-05-11 10:09 PM Response to Reply #18 |
19. very true |
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valerief (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-05-11 10:11 PM Response to Reply #19 |
20. Socialist is better but only the 1%ers get socialism. nt |
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tama (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-05-11 10:12 PM Response to Original message |
21. socialists are included and wellcome |
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white_wolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-05-11 10:24 PM Response to Reply #21 |
25. Well anarchists are a type of socialist. |
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tama (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-05-11 10:59 PM Response to Reply #25 |
36. not really |
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readmoreoften (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-05-11 11:21 PM Response to Reply #36 |
46. I'm sorry, but in practice in the US, socialism means getting things done. |
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tama (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-06-11 12:06 AM Response to Reply #46 |
54. I know what you are talking about |
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kestrel91316 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-05-11 10:17 PM Response to Original message |
22. Well it's nothing if not anti-corporate fascism. But very democratic. |
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jsamuel (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-05-11 10:23 PM Response to Reply #22 |
24. I agree that people concentrate on labels too much. |
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Doremus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-05-11 10:21 PM Response to Original message |
23. troll |
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jsamuel (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-05-11 10:25 PM Response to Reply #23 |
26. Really? You have Bernie Sanders as your profile pic and have a problem with socialism? |
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Cats Against Frist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-05-11 10:37 PM Response to Original message |
29. Hopefully, it's an antifascist movement. Socialism shouldn't have anything to do with it. n/t |
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white_wolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-05-11 10:40 PM Response to Reply #29 |
30. It appears to be an anti-capitalist movement. |
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Cats Against Frist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-05-11 11:16 PM Response to Reply #30 |
42. anarchists are not socialists n/t |
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fishwax (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-05-11 11:59 PM Response to Reply #42 |
53. they can be |
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tama (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-06-11 12:08 AM Response to Reply #53 |
55. True |
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jsamuel (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-05-11 10:40 PM Response to Reply #29 |
31. fair point |
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Cats Against Frist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-05-11 11:05 PM Response to Reply #31 |
37. That's easy |
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jsamuel (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-05-11 11:10 PM Response to Reply #37 |
39. not so easy |
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Cats Against Frist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-05-11 11:18 PM Response to Reply #39 |
44. Well, the way I see it, you have two choices |
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jsamuel (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-05-11 11:26 PM Response to Reply #44 |
47. heh |
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Cats Against Frist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-05-11 11:31 PM Response to Reply #47 |
49. I'm so not in favor of the violent revolution |
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jsamuel (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-05-11 11:35 PM Response to Reply #49 |
50. Just to make sure. |
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Cats Against Frist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-05-11 11:37 PM Response to Reply #50 |
51. I think that's pretty not surprising. :) The powers that be are pretty powerful. |
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jsamuel (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-05-11 11:41 PM Response to Reply #51 |
52. lol |
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salin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-05-11 10:47 PM Response to Original message |
32. pre Bush 1 - we didn't confuse economic systems with socialism (central/fed ec planning) |
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jsamuel (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-05-11 10:54 PM Response to Reply #32 |
34. all very good points |
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The Traveler (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-05-11 10:52 PM Response to Original message |
33. Why are we limited to the socialist/capitalist dichotomy? |
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jsamuel (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-05-11 10:56 PM Response to Reply #33 |
35. We aren't. |
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The Traveler (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-05-11 11:12 PM Response to Reply #35 |
41. Still, you have framed it |
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jsamuel (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-05-11 11:16 PM Response to Reply #41 |
43. They perhaps are outmoded concepts. |
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Throd (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-05-11 11:10 PM Response to Original message |
38. Hopefully it is something that can't be conveniently pigeonholed. |
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jsamuel (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-05-11 11:11 PM Response to Reply #38 |
40. ha |
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Starry Messenger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-05-11 11:20 PM Response to Original message |
45. No, populist. |
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Odin2005 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-05-11 11:27 PM Response to Original message |
48. It's not something that can be pigeonholed, not should it be. |
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tama (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-06-11 12:11 AM Response to Reply #48 |
56. +1 |
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Bloke 32 (201 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-06-11 12:17 AM Response to Original message |
57. One can hope! |
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RegieRocker (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-06-11 12:19 AM Response to Original message |
58. It is a "Tired of the bullshit movement" for all. |
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