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FarCenter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-11 10:19 PM
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Nearly 40 percent of Europeans suffer mental illness
Europeans are plagued by mental and neurological illnesses, with almost 165 million people or 38 percent of the population suffering each year from a brain disorder such as depression, anxiety, insomnia or dementia, according to a large new study.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/44394646/ns/health-mental_h...
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xfundy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-11 10:25 PM
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1. Ah, they are benefitting from our largest import
Shameless marketing of meds directly to consumers, who diagnose themselves, and convince their MD to get them on something without a proper eval from a mental health expert. Epidemic here in 'Murrka.
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Spider Jerusalem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-05-11 02:03 AM
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18. Such marketing is largely illegal in most of Europe as far as I'm aware
Edited on Mon Sep-05-11 02:14 AM by Spider Jerusalem
you'll see adverts on the commercial television channels that say things like "talk to your doctor about erectile dysfunction/depression/etc" here in the UK, for instance, but they're not allowed to mention a specific medication.
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NightWatcher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-11 10:25 PM
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2. Is there a dif between "suffer" and "are diagnosed and drugged"?
If we all describe having a bad day, we could walk out with a script for potent pharmacologicals.
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drm604 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-11 10:32 PM
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3. Suffering how badly and for how long?
The article seems kind of vague as far as what this study counts as mental illness. How many of us haven't occasionally suffered from insomnia, for example, or a little anxiety or depression?
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saras Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-11 10:46 PM
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4. It's hardly worth a serious reply except to point to the corporate media/psychiatric state link
Why do I have a sneaking suspicion that Breivik isn't one of them, but most progressives are?
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Starboard Tack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-11 10:52 PM
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5. Hardly competes with the 50% in the US who put Dubya in the White House twice
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FarLeftFist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-11 10:54 PM
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6. WAAY more than 40% of Americans are depressed.
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gateley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-11 11:03 PM
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7. Yeah, I was just wondering what the percentage here would be. nt
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FarLeftFist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-11 11:06 PM
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11. If you are in the bottom 90% in this country you are most likely somewhat depressed.
So probably around 80% of Americans are somewhat depressed.
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inna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-11 11:07 PM
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12. using the same methods/statistics, that is. I'm curious, as well. nt
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starroute Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-05-11 03:26 AM
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20. Something posted the other day said 25% in the US each year
Which seems surprisingly lower -- unless the Europeans are getting him by the lack of sunlight over the winter. (I know that gives the Finns a particularly high rate of depression.)

http://psychcentral.com/blog/archives/2011/09/03/cdc-st... /

The U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) released a summary report yesterday detailing how the CDC measures mental illness in the U.S., and summary statistics from those measurements. Most of the information summarized in the report is not new, since it was previously published. What the report does do is bring a great deal of this information together in a single paper. . . .

According to a rigorous health survey conducted by the CDC in 2004, an estimated 25 percent of adults in the U.S. reported having a mental illness in the previous year. Lifetime prevalence rates of mental illness in the U.S. were around 50 percent when measured back in 2004. That means in a family of four, one of you likely has a mental illness.

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gateley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-05-11 02:13 PM
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30. I agree -- that does seem low. I would have expected around
60+%. I'm guessing, too, that if/as the economy worsens, it will become higher.

Interesting about the Finns. I'm from Seattle and a lot of people don't do well with the lack of sunlight (contrary to popular belief, Seattle doesn't get any more rain than other rainy locales, but it's the lack of days without sunshine that gives us that rep) and even some natives I know had to move to sunnier areas. I always think the gloom doesn't bother me, that it kind of matches my psyche, but I have to admit when the sun comes out I'm a lot nicer to everyone and much more tolerable to be around! :7
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LuvNewcastle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-11 11:04 PM
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8. +1
Depression is at least as big a problem as obesity in this country.
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lunasun Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-05-11 12:16 AM
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16. either one could contribute to the other
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Odin2005 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-11 11:05 PM
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10. Feeling down is not the same thing as full-blown clincal depression.
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Odin2005 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-11 11:04 PM
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9. Or, more likely, the definition of "normal" as been more and more restricted.
if almost half of people are considered mentally ill then there is a problem with your definition.

I believe most of these mental illness cases are anxiety-related and treating these axiety disorders as purely mental rather than socioeconomic lets the PTB off the hook for giving us a sick society.
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PSPS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-11 11:36 PM
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13. Valid point. When does "mental illness" stop being mental illness? When over 50% have it?
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Union Scribe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-11 11:40 PM
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14. imo, it isn't about how many people feel a way
it should be about determining if someone is impacted by a mentality to the degree it impairs their functioning. If so, it's illness. Otherwise, call it eccentricity or whatever.
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tama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-05-11 02:10 AM
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19. Just individual symptoms
of collective mental disorder.

Society and culture out of tune.
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-11 11:46 PM
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15. Any chance this was a Big Pharma study?
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lunasun Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-05-11 12:29 AM
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17.  Happy Shiny People they have a pill for that
The article mentions

Only early targeted treatment in the young will effectively prevent the risk of increasingly largely proportions of severely ill...patients in the future."

Everyone is a little crazy when they are young
so diagnose em and give em pill$

So many university/government experts are also getting corp money these days here why not in Eurpoe/UK?
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-05-11 01:39 PM
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24. Seems Americans don't have time to question why there is so much sickness in America ....
Edited on Mon Sep-05-11 01:40 PM by defendandprotect
on occasion I happen to see some of the drug ads --

"happy shiny people" skimming along on their pills while the narration suggests

harrowing possible complications --

The unwarranted and continuing trust in our medical system is alarming!



:hi:
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The Doctor. Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-05-11 03:46 AM
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22. Someone's ahead of the curve.

An American 'news' source commenting on 'Europeans'?

NO! :glasses:
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-05-11 01:54 PM
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29. No Novartis involvement .... ? hmmm.....
At the same time, some big drug companies are backing away from investment in research on how the brain works and affects behavior, putting the onus on governments and health charities to stump up funding for neuroscience.

Wittchen led a three-year study covering 30 European countries -- the 27 European Union member states plus Switzerland, Iceland and Norway -- and a population of 514 million people.
Wittchen's team looked at about 100 illnesses covering all major brain disorders from anxiety and depression to addiction to schizophrenia, as well as major neurological disorders including epilepsy, Parkinson's and multiple sclerosis.







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The Doctor. Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-05-11 03:45 AM
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21. Rarely do I unrec anything. I generally love information...
But this is hysterical when held up to the standard by which pharmaceutical companies peg Americans.

IOW: It's all bullshit. 'Europeans' are just fine by any standard. Better than us by far when it comes to actual 'mental disorder'.

Now, once we track 'mental illness' with direct regard to economic insecurity, We'll discover every single fucking time that pharma makes a mint on economic depression, then perhaps we'll start dealing directly with the lobbyists that make such things a reality.

Unfortunately, the people who are most likely to take action most uncivilized are very much in the thrall of the very lobbies that fuck us all.

The civilized are helpless against the tide of money and the barbarism that it brings.
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-05-11 01:48 PM
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27. +100% -- the public's trust in medical systems is alarming!!
Like other research/science -- which has made childbirth into an illness --

and where DNA studies will probably one day identify "poverty" as a genetic disease --

the public needs to wake up -- !!

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The Doctor. Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-05-11 03:49 AM
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23. Hey! Farcenter! I've seen you around a bit.
I'd love to have a chat, but your profile is shut off.

Why is that?

Please let us know. I'd feel stupid if I couldn't say 'hi' more personally.
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ThoughtCriminal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-05-11 01:43 PM
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25. When you inlcude things like insomnia
I'm surprised that it's only 38%.

If you haven't lost some sleep in the past year, you're living in a bubble.

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Lydia Leftcoast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-05-11 01:44 PM
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26. Funny, I was just there, and people seemed pretty normal to me
Far fewer crazy people in the streets, for one thing. On nice days, they were out enjoying life.
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-05-11 01:49 PM
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28. Obviously, people who react to economic depression and "austerity" programs have to be nuts!!
:evilgrin:

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Rex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-05-11 02:14 PM
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31. Impossible.
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