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PCIntern Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-11 09:09 AM
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About the poor guy who died from a toothache:
Edited on Sun Sep-04-11 10:06 AM by PCIntern
This happens quite frequently - more times than I care to think about - because most of the time, the systemic infection is not associated with the concomitant dental abscess. In this case, the association was quite clear. These are tragedies of the first order: most people may not realize that chronic dental abscess causes endocarditis and associated stroke/pulmonary embolism/other ailments. You know, the System is NOT composed of Quincy, M.E.'s ...most folks don't put it together. I have many stories thereof.

No one leaves my office who is unable to afford care with a threatening tooth. I will extract the tooth at no charge if I have to and just live with it...it costs me next to nothing to do it: I can perform the procedure while someone else is getting numb, or rather than drinking a cup of coffee or posting another rambling POS post here at DU. I will give them antibiotics if I have to: this happens three or four times a month and it's OK with me. I don't want anyone's death or severe illness on my consicence: it's bad enough to deal with what I have to deal with already.
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n2doc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-11 09:10 AM
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1. It is a shame more don't follow your example
And even more of a shame that we don't have universal health care in the US.
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laundry_queen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-11 11:33 AM
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36. I'm in Canada and I don't have dental coverage
However, if my face is swollen, and I go to the ER with an absessed tooth, I will get seen for free, yet still have to pay for my anti-biotics. People here are starting to wake up to the fact that dental should be covered. It's ridiculously expensive where I live (my dd had a filling fall out and they charged $300 to replace it!) and my kids inherited really horrible teeth. The local health unit helps me out as much as they can, but the nurse and I are po'ed that, at the very least, children aren't covered for basic care. Universal health care here doesn't include meds or dental or eyeglasses (only exams for kids). Slowly, with secondary insurance costs rising, people are starting to notice and want those things covered. Especially with the new research that shows how important dental health is for your overall health. I bet if they covered very basic dental (cleanings, fillings and extractions) they'd save that on ER visits alone. *sigh* we have our problems too. You'd better hope you have an infected ingrown nail instead of an infected tooth, then you'll get care.
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roguevalley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-11 01:13 PM
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46. PC Intern, for everyone of you there are too many who don't. I
knew someone who had an absessed tooth that ate through his cheek and he carries a puckered spot on his face so tight it twisted his jaw. He didn't have money so he suffered several absessed teeth until they came out. I don't know why he didn't die.
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XanaDUer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-11 09:13 AM
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2. One -thank you for all you do for your patients
Two- wow, I wish they had given him both free. Are painkillers that expensive for bad toothaches? Was there a social worker there who could have helped him hook up with some service to get both meds asap?

My SO , who is on Medicare with no dental insurance, just found out that he will need over 2000 worth of work. He's lucky, I have a job, so far, and we have some money set aside.

Comprehensive dental care needs to be included in any single-payer system-
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csziggy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-11 11:29 AM
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34. The painkillers were $3, the antibiotics $27 according to the original article
The man had the $3 but did not have the $27. That's the appalling part - for less than the Wall Street spend on lunch, this man died.

This is a cruel and unfeeling country.
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hfojvt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-11 03:47 PM
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71. how does somebody not have $27 or not know how to get help?
Would the Salvation Army, the Red Cross, any number of Catholic or Lutheran charities not provide $27 for medication?

When I had no insurance I went to the emergency room because I could not swallow. First of all, they ripped me off at the ER, because they charged me for $500 of X-rays that I didn't need, but I made $50 monthly payments on the $800 that I was charged.

Little did I know that I probably could have gotten care at St. Vincent's Clinic on the north side of town.

Plenty of people would quickly kick in the $27 if they knew about this man's problem. I certainly would, but one thing that blunts our generosity is all the bullsh*t artists. Those who make up some nonsense story in order to get other people's cash.

Once, ironically after a DU meet-up in KC, this stranger comes up to me and spins this story about this problem and that and that he needed money so he could get a cab ride somewhere. And I am thinking "heck, if his story is true, I'd be happy to just drive him where he need to go and it would only cost me an hour plus a little bit of gas money." But I didn't help him for fear of being car-jacked in the big city. It just seems like that for every one person who needs $27 for medicine that there are 3 who will say they need money for medicine when they really just want some money for cigarettes and beer.
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Gormy Cuss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-11 05:25 PM
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81. I grew up surrounded by people who couldn't scrape together the money for toilet paper.
Someone being unable to come up with $27 doesn't surprise me.

As for knowing how to get help, your post illustrates just how easy it is to be kept in the dark about more affordable choices available for the broke or nearly indigent, and also how hard it can be to convince someone that you are truly in need.



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PSzymeczek Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-11 06:59 PM
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84. A lot of places
don't have a St. Vincent's Clinic. And the Red Cross would bill him for the $27+ in about a month.
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csziggy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-11 10:24 PM
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97. Most people are unaware of the resources available to them
And with many state and local governments cutting services, there may not be the places left to refer people to the fewer remaining resources.

On top of those factors, someone who is ill is less able to try to pursue those services. It used to be that someone in the ER would be available to help people who needed assistance, or a nurse or doctor had the time to give advice and help. But these days, for profit hospitals have cut personnel for patient advocacy and social services, and medical personnel barely have time to treat patients for the bare minimum much less time to think about the patients' circumstances.
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The Doctor. Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-05-11 12:31 AM
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100. Got a spare Armadillo? Why would you refuse to give me an armadillo?
Welcome to fucking reality.

Not everyone has a God-Damned dime, let alone 270 of them. You might as well charge an armadillo.

How funny it is that you ask how does someone not know 'how to get help' after admitting that you could have known better yourself.

What's also funny is how you answered your own question with an admonition of your personal prejudices and character. Your fear is the reason we are all fucked. Wouldn't it be nice if your fears weren't carried by those who are afraid their taxes are going to 'welfare queens' and the like?

Then perhaps we could be more assured that the beggars among us were not as legitimate.

Aren't you lucky that the ER didn't treat you as a beggar.

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RagAss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-11 09:15 AM
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3. Thanks. Good to know folks like you still exist.
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hlthe2b Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-11 09:16 AM
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4. Good on you, PCIntern...Kudos
Edited on Sun Sep-04-11 09:17 AM by hlthe2b
There have been children, who likewise have died of sepsis that originated from a readily treatable dental abscess. In years past, many public health departments had dental programs or collaborated with local dentists to try to aid the poor in gaining access to dental preventive services. From what i can tell, with budget cuts, those programs are long gone--at least regionally.

ER departments will certainly see these patients and begin antibiotics with admonishment to see a dentist the following day, but that doesn't treat the source of the problem. If these patients can not get in to see a dentist and that abscess is never treated--the tooth extracted-- these patients are at great risk.

I hope that local dental associations across the country are picking up, where public health programs have dropped the ball. Such a horrible tragedy to lose ones life because of an untreated tooth infection. sigh...
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orpupilofnature57 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-11 09:16 AM
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5. As a person that has massive dental work I know what a Gift that is.
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durablend Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-11 09:17 AM
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6. Sounds like you have a conscience
While other dentists have a Porsche payment to earn.
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TygrBright Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-11 09:30 AM
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10. There are plenty of dentists like that...
...(the Porsche payment, or the vacation home, or the Ivy League tuition for the kid, or whatever,) but there are also PLENTY of dentists like PCIntern.

My dentist provides large amounts of free and discounted care, but he does not publicize it for fear of being overwhelmed with requests. Nevertheless, I have more than once sent someone with limited or no ability to pay to him, and he's done what he could for them.

In the process of doing an informal study on the state of oral health in New Mexico, we discovered a LOT of dentists who are trying desperately to wedge their fingers in the dike to stem the vast tide of unmet need. They do a great deal on an individual basis.

The problem comes on a COLLECTIVE basis-- the State dental association decided to range itself against a legislative proposition to create a "paradental" level of training/licensure: More than a hygeinist, less than a dentist, but able to do simple procedures like uncomplicated extractions, etc., on their own, and to refer and coordinate care with dentists as needed. In our very large (geographic) state, with so many people living in rural areas and a critical shortage of dentists in those areas, the additional level of certification would allow us to build a larger workforce of oral health professionals to meet the need.

Nevertheless, urban dentists in Albuquerque and along the Rio Grande corridor (who are dominant in the state association) feared the additional competition from the new level of professionals enough to oppose it at the state legislature.

It's not the individuals who are the problem. It is the entire health care SYSTEM, from soup to nuts. Training professionals, locating and equipping facilities to meet the needs, providing medications and treatments, payment, followup, prevention, primary care.... all of it. Busted to a fare-thee-well.

Kudos to PCIntern and all the dedicated oral health professionals who do what they can. If they can ALSO put the arm on their colleagues to quit digging in their heels and opposing any/all change in the profession as a whole, that would be a bonus.

wistfully,
Bright
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XanaDUer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-11 09:35 AM
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12. So does mine.
Bless her.
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mfcorey1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-11 09:18 AM
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7. When I attempt to get a simple cleaning, the dentist wants me to get expensive
deep gum cleaning even though I cannot afford it. I have dental insurance that will pay for a simple cleaning, but the deep dental is about 250 per section. Therefore, I leave with nothing. Bless you for working beyond the compensation. There are many of us who appreciate your service. Still looking for someone to clean my teeth.
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REACTIVATED IN CT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-11 09:20 AM
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8. We need more healthcare providers like you, PC Intern.
And more free/low cost clinics where folks can get the care they need.
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pipi_k Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-11 09:30 AM
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9. Another kudos....
Honestly, it really does surprise me that there are so few health care providers out there...doctors and dentists...who will not go the extra 1/2 mile and provide AT LEAST one free service per month. Giving back to the community, sort of.

Anyway, thank you for, like someone else said, having a conscience.

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LibDemAlways Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-11 11:21 AM
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29. I was once sitting in the waiting room of a dental office when I
Edited on Sun Sep-04-11 11:22 AM by LibDemAlways
heard the receptionist on the phone with a patient. The person evidently had a toothache and was requesting an emergency appointment. The receptionist was absolutely adamant that the person still owed the office $300 and would not be seen until that bill was paid. The individual apparently offered to pay a portion of the outstanding bill but the receptionist wouldn't budge. All or nothing.

The dentist in question lived in a gated community and had a thriving practice. It seemed cruel to deny treatment to a patient in pain but that's exactly what happened.

I agree. High fives to the compassionate OP.
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MedicalAdmin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-05-11 08:54 AM
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111. Our clinic provides reduced cost and/or free services to about 10% of our patients.
And no, we don't advertise it. The problem is that the most difficult and time consuming cases tend to need the most free services and that is a direct result of the US crap system that allows small problems to get big.
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Fumesucker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-11 09:34 AM
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11. As you do unto the least of these so you do unto me..
:hug:

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elocs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-11 09:38 AM
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13. You write this so matter of factly, but this is a very moving OP.
An example of what true humanity should be and a simple formula of what would make this world a better place.
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muffin1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-11 09:39 AM
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14. Wow. I don't even know what to say besides
Thank you. And :yourock:

:hug:
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NorthCarolina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-11 09:42 AM
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15. A big "THANK YOU" for what you do. nt
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LadyInAZ Donating Member (149 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-11 09:49 AM
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16. Harsh american reality
6 months after recession announced I had a tooth crack and break off, which previously gone thru a root canal years earlier. now facing fact I was unemployed, no health insurance of any kind, i had to dig into my own savings to pay for the procedure to extract the tooth via surgery. lack of access to health/dental care is always a major issue. also when country is in a financial crises medical practitioners should be concern with the welfare of its patient not the fact they are not able to pay. now its 2 years later for me, last wisdom tooth hurts more now. and my savings is gone for 7 or 8 months. will this happen to me too? where is the humanity thru out the recession? have we become so narrow minded.. selfish.. that we can not ban together in our hour of need?
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Pooka Fey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-11 09:49 AM
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17. Thank you for your good works and for your good example.
:-)
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JHB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-11 09:51 AM
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18. Even so, the lack of coverage promotes bad habits about check-ups...
...the report doesn't give this information, but it sounds like he wouldn't have been getting regular check-ups, where it may have been able to address the problem early (with a filling?).

In addition, just the act of getting regular check-ups puts dental care (or any other preventative care) in the category of "things to think about" and not just ignore until it becomes unavoidable.
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Shandris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-11 02:31 PM
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57. Regular check-ups?
What, you mean the fifty bones a lot of people probably don't have to just toss about? I mean, it's a great idea in theory...but in practice, it doesn't happen when your income is very low. That's you kid's entire Christmas, for instance. Or, you can (probably) have the dentist tell you a) everything's fine, or b) you need an unchristly amount of work. There's not much of an inbetween.
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JHB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-11 04:07 PM
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74. Precisely.
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Betsy Ross Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-11 09:51 AM
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19. Bless you. n/t
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Chorophyll Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-11 09:52 AM
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20. Thank you. That's all I got.
:hug:
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LaydeeBug Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-11 09:52 AM
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21. I love you.
nt
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NutmegYankee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-11 09:54 AM
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22. The words of a true medical professional.
You put health and life before profit. Thank you!
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PCIntern Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-11 10:10 AM
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23. I edited to include a most important, but untyped(!) 'NOT'
what I MEANT to say was that there is virtually NO detective work going on re: stroke/endocarditis....the morbidity/mortality is huge re: dental issues.

And to answer a question: we can get very cheap antibiotics and dispense them: I do this for the (relatively few) poor and indigent who manage to make it into my office. You don't need expensive pain pills if you get right to the root cause...BTW, 400 mg Ibuprofen plus one regular acetominphen every 6 hours IF YOU CAN TAKE THE MEDS, is great for dental pain.
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Joe Bacon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-05-11 12:58 AM
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102. Thank you for everything you do!
I'm lucky that I have a dentist who does the same thing. Just grateful that you will go above and beyond to help those in need!!!!
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Generic Other Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-11 10:25 AM
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24. When I was in college a guy told me he did his own dental work!
And put cement in the tooth! I was horrified. Something I just never forgot.
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bengalherder Donating Member (718 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-11 12:56 PM
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42. It's actually a part of emergency dentistry in the wild.

From a group who seems be connected with third world healthcare:


http://hesperian.info/assets_org/dentist/wtndentist_201...
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MuseRider Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-11 10:50 AM
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25. Thank you for this.
It keeps me believing there is still a reason to save humanity. Sometimes it seems that doing a good thing for someone else either gets you in trouble or called a fool.
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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-11 02:22 PM
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52. That sig pic is awesome!!!
:rofl:
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MuseRider Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-11 03:15 PM
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63. :) n/t
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ooglymoogly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-11 05:06 PM
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77. +1 For the perfect picture worth a thousand words. nt
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Bonobo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-11 10:53 AM
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26. Too bad so many dentists don't accept dental plans...
Or it wouldn't have to come to that.

Insurance companies often sell dental policies that are a rip off and few dentists join.

Many rip offs out there.

I heard it was because 30 years ago or so when private insurance started taking off, dentists didn't want to join because they didn't want to have prices dictated to them.
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PCIntern Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-11 10:56 AM
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27. this whole dental business is so complex:
I've been in it for 34 years and it's beyond me. Sometimes I feel like a cockroach who's getting 'alternate side of the street parking regulations' explained to him.
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lunatica Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-11 11:04 AM
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28. You're great!
There will always be a need for your profession.
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Little Star Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-11 11:24 AM
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30. Thank you for what you are doing. k&r for your kindness.
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-11 11:26 AM
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31. You are a real doctor.
No matter what, you use your gifts and art to heal.

With all my heart, thank you.
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the_chinuk Donating Member (240 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-11 11:27 AM
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32. This is the most heroic thing I've heard of in a while. n/t k/r
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AsahinaKimi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-11 11:29 AM
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33. My dad is a Dentist.
He would do the exact same thing and probably has...
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webDude Donating Member (830 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-11 11:31 AM
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35. Oh my God, a really nice guy! Thanks, you renew my faith and save lives!
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Enthusiast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-11 11:41 AM
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37. You set a wonderful example.
We appreciate you.

We know what many of the others think:

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gateley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-11 12:33 PM
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38. Mother Teresa said "If you can't feed a hundred mouths,
feed one". That's what you're doing, one by one.

Those people are lucky to have you, and so are we! Carry on! :headbang:
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Mira Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-11 12:45 PM
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39. It's what I would have expected of you and supports that over time
you became one of MY heroes that scroll across the support line of my life
(with a nod to Steven Colbert's scroll......)
recommended
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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-11 12:50 PM
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40. It happens frequently and has been happening for a long time
Turkana Boy, the most complete early human skeleton estimated 1.5 million (homo erectus) showed that he probably died from an infection that originated from an untreated tooth infection.



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turkana_boy

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/evolution/becoming-human-p...

SUSAN ANTN: If we look at his lower jaw we can see right here, under the teeth that we've got a bit of an abscess and an infection. That kind of an infection could have entered the rest of his body, could have killed him.

NARRATOR: An abscess that ate away that much of his jawbone, would have been agonizing.

Turkana Boy is in so much pain he's unable to continue the hunt. Knowing he would be looked after, perhaps he returned to his campsite to find comfort among the females and thought of him like one of their friends who helped them until they could get back on their feet.




My father was a dentist who also treated all without looking at their ability to pay asking that they pay $ 5 a month on any outstanding balance. He thought that this was a better solution than simply giving the treatment for free because it allowed people to maintain a sense of dignity and self reliance.

Hundreds came to his funeral when he died in mid age. Many were patients who felt a need to tell someone in the family that he had carried them when they couldn't afford it but that they had eventually been able to pay it off.
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evilDonkey Donating Member (32 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-11 12:53 PM
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41. It's a senseless tragedy NM
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Rex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-11 12:57 PM
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43. You are doing something that earns my respect instantly.
Anyone that would work out of compassion and not their wallet is the type we need more of in America and the world! Thank you for what you do, I've had horrible problems with my teeth in the past and nearly died from an abscess tooth. Thankfully I have a great dentist now that has compassion and really cares about his patients!
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Hepburn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-11 12:58 PM
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44. Hearts...
...and hugs!

:loveya: :grouphug:

You deserve both! :thumbsup:

KnR
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Raschel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-11 01:12 PM
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45. I love you!
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Hawkowl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-11 01:26 PM
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47. You are a hero.
Truly. You save peoples lives. :applause:
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Kind of Blue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-11 01:37 PM
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48. Thank you, PCIntern. There are no
other words to describe my heartfelt gratitude :hug: :hug: :hug:

KNR!
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PCIntern Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-11 01:45 PM
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49. you're welcome to everyone...just some info:
Edited on Sun Sep-04-11 01:47 PM by PCIntern
cost of local anesthesia: about 25 cents
cost of gauze and cotton: about 5-10 cents
cost of instrumentation: zero - my forceps and elevators are largely from 1979 and are in perfect condition.
cost of assistant and personnel: zero. they're on weekly salaries.
cost of paperwork/chart: maybe 20 cents maybe less. How much does a staple and a coin envelope for the radiograph cost?

You get the idea...

On edit: I buy 500 Ibuprofen for about three bucks...I get a supply of antibiotics for about 25 dollars and they last me a year here.
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blueamy66 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-11 01:45 PM
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50. You're awesome.
Edited on Sun Sep-04-11 01:47 PM by blueamy66
nt

on edit: My guy's dentist knows that we owe him payments and we give what we can and he still sees him. We will pay off what we owe and stay with his dentist, cause he has a kind heart.
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spooky3 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-11 02:21 PM
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51. thank you for saving lives and for setting an example for all of us.
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Zoigal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-11 02:23 PM
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53. Great to know there are still people like you in
the world. Sincere thanks for all your kindness.
We need folks like you in Congress, etc...z
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Solly Mack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-11 02:25 PM
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54. Thank you.
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shanti Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-11 02:26 PM
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55. blessings to you, pcintern
you are a good person :hug:
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treestar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-11 02:30 PM
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56. Bless you
It is still appalling to me that this happened to such a young person.
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earcandle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-11 02:47 PM
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58. I applaud you, dear sir. May more dentists and doctors follow your example.
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CrispyQ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-11 02:53 PM
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59. This was the best post I read all day.
:fistbump:
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highplainsdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-11 02:53 PM
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60. Thank you! I admire you and wish there were more people like you.
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uberblonde Donating Member (993 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-11 03:02 PM
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61. I wish there were more people like you.
Thanks for caring!
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humbled_opinion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-11 03:12 PM
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62. If we had real universal health care
Deaths like this would be avoided. The problem is we don't have politicians that are willing to stand up for us. I think it is way past time for a serious march on D.C.
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sabrina 1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-11 03:16 PM
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64. Thank you for what you do!
It's hard to believe that anyone dies of something like this in a country that claims to have so much respect for life. But it is people like you restore faith that not all Americans think, as Rep. Grayson pointed out, like Republicans that if you have a medical problem you should 'die quickly'.

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TBF Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-11 03:28 PM
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65. While you are awesome,
what we need is universal health care (including dental, vision, and mental health care). Folks shouldn't have to rely on haphazard charity, and I think of all the folks who won't even call a dentist because they think they can't afford to (and they're probably correct).
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PCIntern Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-11 03:39 PM
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67. Yes, absolutely...n/t
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dajoki Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-11 03:36 PM
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66. K&R
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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-11 03:42 PM
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68. That's good that you do that.
Still, let's hope the Republican anti-health care posse don't think that this is the way things should be done, that is medical providers having to suck it up to provide health care and drugs to those who can't afford it. If we can't pass laws for universal health care (including dental) then maybe we need to pass laws that allow health care providers to bill the county or state government for all services they provide to indigent and low income people for free. Maybe they will get the hint that something needs to be done.
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PCIntern Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-11 03:44 PM
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69. fine with me...meanwhile, nobody's gonna die from this under my aegis. n/t
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southmost Donating Member (528 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-11 03:46 PM
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70. I hate that our health system has been reduced to this
thank u for for following your conscious
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October Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-11 03:57 PM
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72. You're a good person. /nt
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Irishonly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-11 04:02 PM
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73. I Wish There Were Like You
I don't know what to say except thank you.
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onethatcares Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-11 04:21 PM
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75. you are a good person, you can carry that to the grave
and no amount of money can change it either.

All I can offer is my sincere applause.
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madmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-11 04:43 PM
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76. Aren't there a lot of antibiotics out there that only cost $4? I know my daughter had a rash on her
neck, they gave antibiotics, cost $4 at Rite-aid.I'm sure there are other places that offer the $4 drugs as well. To bad the person who was seeing him didn't tell him about these places.
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RamboLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-11 05:08 PM
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78.  Local grocery chain Giant Eagle antibiotics are free PA OH WV
Edited on Sun Sep-04-11 05:16 PM by RamboLiberal
Great PR IMHO.

Maybe the man in the story couldn't get to a chain store for cheaper rx price.
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Curmudgeoness Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-11 05:10 PM
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79. You make me cry. Some days, you just hope there are people like you
still around. I, also, could not imagine knowingly allowing someone with a possibly fatal condition just walk away because they don't have the money to deal with it.

Karma, if there is such a thing, will send good things back at you threefold.
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dionysus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-11 05:16 PM
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80. you sound like a good man.
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JohnnyLib2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-11 06:21 PM
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82. Happy to give rec #200

A local dentist is also the elected coroner; I'm sure he does the same.
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Warpy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-11 06:27 PM
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83. Thank you. I've taken care of too many
who made it to the hospital with endocarditis, brain abscess, and a host of other things that were finally traced to that sore tooth they were trying to ignore because the kids needed something or they were trying to pay a mortgage with a part time job, whatever, they came last for one reason or another.

So yes, it happens a lot more often than people want to believe. That bad tooth will kill you if you ignore it long enough.

That is, unless you find one of the compassionate dentists out there who will pull it for you without charging retail.
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FourScore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-11 07:06 PM
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85. K&R
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Divine Discontent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-11 07:07 PM
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86. K&R - I feel like there's millions of us who have no funds to care for horrible teeth. Thanks for
all you do!
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pengillian101 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-11 08:48 PM
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87. A hearty K&R
I know you must sleep well at night - thanks for your caring ! :hug:
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chill_wind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-11 08:49 PM
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88. Bless you, truly and thank you. It's good
to be able to think of the people fortunate enough to be in your care having this kind of potentially life-saving access and intervention when they otherwise might have no where else to turn.

K & R.
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DrunkenBoat Donating Member (584 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-11 08:55 PM
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89. That is very kind of you. I at this moment have a tooth I'm waiting to get loose enough to pull.
No income, no dental. Luckily, no abcess.
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dflprincess Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-11 09:11 PM
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90. You're a good man and a true healer, PCIntern n/t
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NBachers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-11 09:23 PM
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91. Please continue posting rambling POS posts here at DU- when you get time
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Renew Deal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-11 09:46 PM
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92. Thanks for caring about people.
:grouphug:
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JDPriestly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-11 09:59 PM
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93. Thanks.
I don't think that Obama's new health insurance reform deals with dental care. We really need universal dental insurance. I have a theory (probably not true) that a lot of illnesses actually are caused by problems with the teeth.
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w8liftinglady Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-11 10:01 PM
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94. PC- you have my undying respect.
You are in it for the right reasons.

Your patients are the lucky ones.

What goes around, comes around.good Karma to you....
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tilsammans Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-11 10:09 PM
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95. You're a mensch!
Thank you for all you do. :yourock: :loveya:
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Brigid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-11 10:18 PM
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96. PCIntern,
Lunkheads in DC like Boehner and Cantor who think they are so far above the rest of us are not fit to tie your shoes. Tons of good kharma await you. :patriot:
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sunwyn Donating Member (268 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-11 11:36 PM
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98. Too bad you are not in Ohio. However I have enough broken, jagged teeth
to keep a dentist busy for month. I have been told my teeth will kill me. I have no doubt they likely will.
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Critters2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-11 11:45 PM
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99. Thank you for what you do!
People don't realize how serious dental problems can be. I have a parishioner who, as a child, lost her mother to endocarditis. As a person who inherited both bad teeth and a heart murmur, I take these matters very seriously.

So, again, thank you for the lifesaving work you do!
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sce56 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-05-11 12:44 AM
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101. That is still one of the bones I have to pick with the Govt since I was told when I enlisted and
every time I re-enlisted for twenty years "Do twenty and you will get free medical free dental for life!" The US Govt is not honoring that promise and they need to! Dental health is integral to the whole body not just the mouth as the blood stream will carry the infection from the mouth to the rest of the body!
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pengillian101 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-05-11 02:00 AM
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104. Lord love ya!
Thanks for serving!

I hope your VA care improves. My guy has a 100% P&T disability rating, and his dental health was covered by the VA to get care and dentures.

If you need help finding a VSO (Veterans Service Officer) who does this for you, please private talk, and I'll be more than happy to help you find your VSO :-)
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madrchsod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-05-11 01:56 AM
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103. you will be remembered for the help you provide for those in need....
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gunnergoz Donating Member (8 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-05-11 02:28 AM
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105. Thank you for being a good person
It is stories like yours that restore my faith in people, which is often tested and disappointed these days. I know there are uncounted professionals out there, doing their best in the face of a tsunami of economic misery and social inequity. Please keep up the good works because it is such deeds that not only help one person at a time, but inspire countless others to keep on going and overcome adversity.
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melm00se Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-05-11 05:51 AM
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106. there was a time when I was
broke as hell and was in the same boat as the guy who died.

at the advice of a friend, I went to the dental school at the local university.

I was seen right away and had the necessary work done (no charge) by a dental student at the dental clinic (with a DDS professor handing over his shoulder)
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geckosfeet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-05-11 06:27 AM
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107. Godspeed to you.
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Honeycombe8 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-05-11 08:06 AM
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108. Medicaid will pay for tooth extraction. Most working people can afford to pay for it.
The ones who seem to be falling through the cracks as far as health care of any sort are the working poor...those who aren't poor enough for Medicaid, but don't have ins. through employment and can't afford to buy it (who can afford ins. coverage these days? I'd find it a hardship, and I'm h ealthy and make a decent living.)
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Tuesday Afternoon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-05-11 08:28 AM
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109. You are a one of the good ones. A rare gem. k&r
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bvar22 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-05-11 08:43 AM
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110. If anyone here is in the same situation,
check your area for the closest Community Health Center.
They are significantly less expensive,
offer a large discount for cash payment on the day of service (30% or more),
have a sliding scale for people who qualify,
and (at least in my experience in Rural Arkansas), have quality, dedicated Dentists/Oral Surgeons.

They may not take Emergency Cases,
but can provide the remedial care necessary after an infection.


You will know them by their WORKS,
not by their excuses.

Solidarity!
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