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seafan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-18-11 11:22 AM
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Beware. Jeb Bush is flying under the radar.
Edited on Thu Aug-18-11 11:31 AM by seafan
Fair warning: Do not let Jeb Bush slip off the radar. Ever., 2008



We've been watching what this guy has been doing for the past 3 decades. If there ever were an individual who considers himself entitled to the presidency, it is Jeb Bush. His father thinks so too.

Jeb Bush was never a serious candidate for the cat-and mouse speculation for the US Senate. The sole reason is that he abhors collective senatorial power.

He wants ultimate executive power.



Until about 2 months ago, my thinking was that he was waiting until 2016 to run for president:

The stink of his brother was/is still too rank to pursue it in '12. All the animosity aimed at Rick Perry by Rove and the Bushes right now has in its origin a common thread-- Perry reminds people of the disastrous rise of George W. Bush. The state. The egotistical governor of said state. The swagger. The accent. The vacuous intellect. The foul mouth. A Rick Perry candidacy would further damage the chances of the return of the Bushes. So, Rove and the Bushes are unloading everything they've got against him.

(Interestingly, many of those characteristics are true of Jeb Bush as well. We in Florida know that first hand.)



But, now, things have monumentally shifted.


With the steady erosion of Obama's new polling numbers on overall job approval (40%), handling of the economy (26%), the federal budget deficit (24%), creating jobs (29%), Afghanistan (38%), education (41%), foreign affairs (42%), terrorism (53%), we are looking at a reelection campaign in deep jeopardy.


And we liberals and progressives aren't the only ones taking note of that.



Right now, Jeb Bush is weighing all of this against the hurdle of 'is it TOO SOON?' That is the only thing that has thus far held him back from a run for the WH. As long as he thought there was little to no chance of anything other than an embarrassing defeat in a match with Obama, he did not want to tarnish himself with that type of loss. That would have buried the "fresh face" named Bush, forever.


Again, the outlook has monumentally shifted. Obama's position is vulnerable now, with his relentless pursuit of right wing policies, blessed by corporate-bred advisers, and made infinitely worse with the administration's attacks on those who fought for his victory in 2008. And Jeb may be now willing to take the gamble.


So, Jeb. Is it still "too soon"?


There may not be any effective government left to run into the ground by 2016. The right wing has virtually everything they ever lusted for. And a "Democrat" gave it to them.

All that will likely be left to covet is the emperor's crown and scepter, enshrining himself and his vicious right wing followers into permanent power. And Jeb Bush wants that robe and crown.

Badly.



Jeb Bush jumping in for 2012?





Now, my hair is on fire. And it isn't just climate change.





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Emit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-18-11 11:28 AM
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1. egads, please, no
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Turbineguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-18-11 11:29 AM
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2. It's a good strategery.
After Perry and Bachmann, he will seem positive sane and reasonable. Sure, we'll still be wiped out, but look at how bad it could have been!
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ewagner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-18-11 11:33 AM
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7. True and absolutely terrifying. n/t
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pipi_k Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-18-11 11:30 AM
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3. Not flying...more like slithering.... n/t
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gateley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-18-11 11:30 AM
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4. How was he regarded in Florida as governor?
I wouldn't put anything past them, but I don't think those who are disenchanted with Obama would ever vote for Jeb. AND, those who are contemplating sitting out the election if Obama is on the ballot, might change their minds if another Bush had a chance to win/steal the WH.

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Tommy_Carcetti Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-18-11 11:37 AM
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8. People mistakenly thought he was the "Smart Bush Brother" and therefore less harmful than Dubya.
Edited on Thu Aug-18-11 11:42 AM by Tommy_Carcetti
If anything, he was 10 times more dangerous than his brother. Had he won his race in 1994, he would have been the Bush running for President in 2000, not Dubya. He was always the favored son by Senior.

The guy as Florida governor was corrupt as it gets, but he put on a good face to the public. Take the case where he authorized a notoriously polluting cement company to build a plant within a stone's throw of the pristine Ichetucknee River. He initially was against it, but magically changed his mind. Just days after his about face, he got $190,000 in donations from the cement plant's owners. Yet this deal that stunk to high heavens and which ought to have resulted in investations never got much newsplay.
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gateley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-18-11 11:43 AM
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15. Do the Floridians realize now who/what he really was? nt
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Tommy_Carcetti Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-18-11 01:45 PM
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40. Probably not. He's helped by the fact that the current governor is even worse than him.
And that's something I never thought I would see happen.
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gateley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-18-11 02:28 PM
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46. Wow. You're probably right. Gulp. It's like Ron Paul is looking
normal compared to those other whacks getting the media attention.

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ChiciB1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-18-11 11:53 AM
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Well, This Floridian Has NEVER Felt Jebby Has Gone Away! Slithering IS
the correct terminology to use, but given the entry of Perry, he may well begin is ascent earlier than expected.

He mentored Rubio over Crist and the "need" to make Florida newsworthy in what he would perceive a "positive" way because Rick Scott is so deplorable, Jebby must be licking his whiskers about now.

UNFORTUNATELY, too many here in Florida fawned all over him not only because "he" was Daddy's anointed one over The Idiot, many here may feel he deserves a chance to shine once again. I've always felt he's set himself up as THE puppet master of the Republican Party here and is only waiting for the right time to shine again for the Sunshine state!

And how I hate to see this all over again! I say BEWARE, he may be the deadliest of ALL BUSHIES yet! I dread what may be coming given the current slate of candidates for the R's in 2012! Too many people have such short memories and I fear many, many Independents will flock to him.

Obama really needs to dig deep inside and learn how to be a fierce leader who stands up against the devious enemy who sits in wait. IMO, Obama has left many wondering if he's a strong enough leader and one who is unwilling to stand up to Repukes in a forceful way. Jebby may well be THE ONE to take him down!

Obama, I'm terribly disappointed in you but have said I will still vote for you, even with much remorse, but you had better be on your toes and up your game! I fear Jebby is just waiting you out!

Remember YOU are supposed to be a Democrat and you are losing too many of your own right now. My perception is but a personal one, but too many of my Democratic friends are telling me outright that they DO NOT want to vote for you again. AND, here's another worry... here in Florida there are many Independents who feel NO LOYALTY to you. And I've heard this said many, many times in the past 6-8 months.




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lark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-18-11 05:33 PM
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53. People in FL liked him, but hey, that's FL?
Actually, this OP is just too funny. I will have to show my husband and children. I have constantly been saying that we need to watch out for Jeb, he'd love to come in, be the knight in white armour, and save the Repug party from itself. Jeb talks a good game, but his actions are pure right wing. He's very dangerous because he seems sane and intelligent. What he's good at is being very sneaky. Example, ran on cleaning up the Everglades. Soon as the law was passed, he quietly exempted surgar cane companies from having to pay their part, effectively gutting his own program.

Glad I'm not the only tin hat person out there about this issue. lol
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Dutchmaster Donating Member (195 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-18-11 05:50 PM
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54. You speak as if we were worse off under Bush
sadly, we weren't. Jeb wouldn't be a lot different than what we have now. In fact, he might be better in the respect that the Dems would be able to unite against a common enemy as opposed to some still thinking Obama is one of us.
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hifiguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-18-11 11:31 AM
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5. I've had a vaguely queasy stomach
for the last six months wondering whether this is going to happen.

You'd think Chimpy would have done enough damage to the brand to prevent any other members of the Bush Crime Family from running for national office, but this American version of the Borgias has more lives than a clowder of cats.
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Generic Other Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-18-11 11:32 AM
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6. This is my secret nightmare
The BFEE lies in exile awaiting the Restoration.
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Bozita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-18-11 11:38 AM
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9. "You never introduce a new product in August."
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seabeyond Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-18-11 11:39 AM
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10. everyone remembers george and still blames him for the economy three years later
no more chance than perry, bachmann.
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LeftinOH Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-18-11 11:41 AM
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11. Of all the potential GOP candidates.. he scares me the least. Meaning: I can't believe
Americans would seriously consider a THIRD Bush for the WH. Furthermore, he's not teabaggy enough.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-18-11 11:44 AM
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16. Well, for some reason when Bushes run, our elections stop working properly
so it doesn't seem to matter what Americans seriously consider.
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theaocp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-18-11 11:41 AM
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12. and watch out for him making serious inroads with the
Latino vote. Isn't he fluent and his wife is Latina? The dude is scary.
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KamaAina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-18-11 01:37 PM
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35. Yes. He speaks much better Mexican than his brother.
:P
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PurityOfEssence Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-18-11 11:42 AM
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13. So true. The worst of all worlds: a smart Bush....
Let's hope his wife tries to duck customs with some more jewels or his kids get involved in some more violent escapades.

Never underestimate the evils of entrenched wealth.
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truebrit71 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-18-11 11:42 AM
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14. Simply not going to happen....Bachmann's chances are better...
..no fucking way this country EVER elects another bush into the WH...
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seafan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-18-11 12:14 PM
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25. What if "the voting machines" show a different result? This is ultimately what we are looking at.
Since 2000 in Florida, we have been screaming about the accuracy of the voting machines. No one in a position of power has lifted a finger to rectify that with solid legislation, passed, to fix it.


This fiasco continues on in Wisconsin, as we saw over the past few months, with one county elections supervisor suddenly "finding" thousands of votes for the right wing Supreme Court candidate, when the opponent was already thought to be the winner. These shenanigans were repeated in the recall election a couple of weeks ago, involving the same county elections supervisor as she sat on the vote count returns until late in the evening. Both of these outcomes magically favored Republicans.



We are beyond 'good intentions' when it comes to un-corrupting our voting process. The stakes are too high.


What we need is a return to pen and paper ballots, hand-counted at each precinct under direct observation, with results immediately telephoned into the Secretary of State's office, then posted on the polling place door.

The only excuse for not doing this is to perpetuate election theft, pumped up by Fox GOP propaganda channel.




Without an accurate and verifiable vote count by a return to hand-counted paper ballots, absolutely nothing else will matter.








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truebrit71 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-18-11 12:23 PM
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28. It's not the votes that count, but who counts the vote...
Edited on Thu Aug-18-11 12:23 PM by truebrit71
..I hear you, but I just don't think that he would even get the nomination...
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KaryninMiami Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-18-11 09:11 PM
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66. Amen. Sigh NT
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stockholmer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-18-11 05:10 PM
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50. I will give you a simple scenario where there is an 70+% chance Jeb will be the US President in 2016
Jeb runs as VP (I am guessing with Perry or at top of ticket) and LOSES to Obama in 2012. He will instantly be the frontrunner for the GOP, and will win (yes, it makes me puke to say this) easily in 2016, versus Hillary Clinton, et al.
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davidwparker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-18-11 06:26 PM
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57. Hillary is not going to run in2016. Her only shot was in
2004, but she was triangulating the people of NY, saying, vote for me for senator because I want to be your senator and not run for the presidency.

She has a shot in 2012, but won't take it. With a new slate of candidates in 2016, no way.

She will be Obama'd by the 2016 Obama.
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KharmaTrain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-18-11 11:47 AM
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17. Goodhair Is His Placeholder...
If people are stupid enough to support and vote for Perry...another failed and stupid Texas governor, Jebbie's good as gold. I'm thinkin he's got 2016 circled...the stench of the 2001-2009 are still too fresh.
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boston bean Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-18-11 11:48 AM
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18. Jeb Bush has endorsed John Huntsman for President, just last week. nt
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ChiciB1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-18-11 12:01 PM
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22. I'm Not sure It Matter... His EGO Is Huge & He's Not One To Miss A Chance
to screw a pooch! I would NEVER trust anything he says or does! The man is corrupt and ruthless! I'm sure many disagree, but Jebby is ever present here in Florida and whispers can get LOUD!

He's a VERY shrewd player, and regardless of those who feel that voting here isn't corrupt, I am one who still has many, many doubts!

I live in THE county that had over 18,000 under-votes go missing, and worked to find out what happened. In the end, it was FRUITLESS and today this county actually re-elected a crook, the infamous Vern Buchanan by a wide margin. It really SUCKS and it will again!
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PatSeg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-18-11 12:19 PM
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26. I believe that was Jeb Bush Jr.
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seafan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-18-11 12:23 PM
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29. Nope. That was little Jebbie Bush, Jr.
What a coveted prize prize, that.


Huntsman called it a "major announcement". Ya just cannot make this stuff up.


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KamaAina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-18-11 01:38 PM
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37. I believe that was his son, Jeb Bush, Jr.
(How exactly can you be "Jeb Bush, Jr." when "Jeb" stands for "John Ellis Bush"?)
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WinkyDink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-18-11 01:39 PM
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38. 2012 won't be the last election.
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Shagbark Hickory Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-18-11 11:50 AM
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19. Is his daughter still engaging in prescription fraud?
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Gidney N Cloyd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-18-11 11:50 AM
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20. I'd love to see him fly under the SONAR.
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MilesColtrane Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-18-11 11:53 AM
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21. My gut instinct is that he won't run until 2016.
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WinkyDink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-18-11 01:39 PM
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39. I agree.
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Raksha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-18-11 12:01 PM
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23. K & R - You make some very good points.
Jeb will actually seem reasonable compared with the Bachmann/Perry theocrat clown show. He's actually cut from the same cloth, but a little more low-key about it.
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Citizen Worker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-18-11 12:10 PM
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24. This was my prediction a few months ago but someone on DU pooh-poohed the idea saying, "Jeb Bush
will never be president." If Jeb doesn't run in '12 he most certainly will in '16.
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newspeak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-18-11 12:22 PM
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27. oh great!!!
His family can just finish us off. His family has had so many shady business dealings, and some, like the S&L scandal, that have hurt all of us. Then, Little Boots is selected for dictatorship, I mean presidency, and between lucrative war profiteering, mass quantities of cash unaccounted for and a bogus boondoggle war in Iraq, he about did us all in.
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russspeakeasy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-18-11 01:15 PM
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30. Flying under the radar and slithering among the bushes.
Edited on Thu Aug-18-11 01:17 PM by russspeakeasy
:rofl: I have to laugh at my own stuff or I'll cry.
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scheming daemons Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-18-11 01:21 PM
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31. Too many DUers would welcome it, judging by today's posts
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LuckyLib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-18-11 01:26 PM
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33. Do I remember correctly that Poppy always believed Jeb would be the better
young-un to run for President?
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Broderick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-18-11 01:32 PM
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34. And Rove is working hard to destroy Perry
Bachman is what she is, and Romney is always their 3rd choice it seems... Bush3 could make an appearance if Perry stumbles.
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WinkyDink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-18-11 01:38 PM
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36. I told my husband yesterday that Jeb WILL BE a Pres. candidate. BANK on it.
Edited on Thu Aug-18-11 01:38 PM by WinkyDink
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ecstatic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-18-11 01:46 PM
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41. Doesn't matter if he's under the radar. The moment he pops up with the last name "Bush,"
it's game over.
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TBF Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-18-11 01:47 PM
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42. I was afraid when I heard rumblings down here about Perry running -
and frankly this one is even worse (Perry is too damned dumb to really do as much damage as Jeb could).
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madamesilverspurs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-18-11 01:49 PM
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43. There is NO excuse
for dynastic succession to the Oval Office. NONE. If we learn nothing else from the Bush clan, we must learn this.

And for whatever it's worth, that concern was my sole objection to Hillary's candidacy.


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gateley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-18-11 02:29 PM
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47. WE know this, but does the majority of voters? nt
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mrdmk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-19-11 11:22 AM
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73. Remember Nancy Reagan told hubby, Ronnie Reagan
I don't trust the Bush's...
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Whisp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-18-11 01:51 PM
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44. why do repug men look like evil slop happy pigs?
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bklyncowgirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-18-11 02:01 PM
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45. I think Jeb runs in 2016. 2012 is too soon besides they still need a Democrat to clean up the mess.
Think about it. If you were Jeb Bush would you want this disaster right now.

Here's my scenario. The Tea Party movement seriously damages the GOP candidate (whether it's Perry who is TP or Romney who ditches everything he once believed in to appease them) in 2012. Obama gets re-elected and then does the tough things he has to do to get the economy on the rebound. In the process he manages to piss of a large portion of the voting population. The natural successor, Obama's Vice President, will be too old to run. This sets up a battle royale on the Democratic side between corporatists and progressives. Things are not looking up for the Democrats.

On the Republican side, with the Tea Party discredited, Poppy (if he's still around) and the powers that be get Jeb into position with a minimum of bloodshed. He's all Florida sunshine and prosperity through tax cuts for all. Yeah he's a Bush but he has none of those annoying Texas mannerisms and everyone knows he's George's smarter brother.

This works much better for the Bushes--after all who wants the power if there's nothing left to steal?
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seafan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-18-11 02:49 PM
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49. Here is why Jeb Bush would 'want this disaster'.
First though, sadly, I don't think that any amount of wishing is going to make Obama do the right things for the economy or any of the other exploding issues, if he gets a second term. He has shown us who he is and the company he keeps, as well as those he jettisoned from his administration.


These are who he kept close:

1. Lawrence Summers
2. Robert Gates
3. Rahm Emanuel
4. Cass Sunstein
5. Eric Holder
6. Dennis Ross
7. Peter Orszag
8. Thomas Donilon


These are who he sent packing:

1. General James Jones
2. Karl Eikenberry
3. Paul Volcker
4. Dennis Blair
5. James Cartwright
6. Dawn Johnsen
7. Greg Craig
8. Carol Browner
9. Elizabeth Warren



That tells us the awful truth about who he is and what he stands for. It isn't you and I.



Unfortunately for Jeb in today's toxic political environment, he was born in Midland, Texas.


Sorry, Poppy, read our lips: "No new Texans." (Hat tip to a guest on Bill Press this week)



So, why would Jeb even want to inherit this mess?


The damage to our political system is nearly complete. The powers of the Executive are virtually unchecked now. You are correct in noting that soon there will be little left to steal. What is left in the final conquest over the rubble heap that once was a thriving America, however, is the name of the dragon that lumbers up to the summit of the smoldering destruction, and claims the spoils for all time. And this time, he won't need a bullhorn.


The dragon atop his treasure.



That is why Jeb Bush wants it.




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rhett o rick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-18-11 07:23 PM
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61. You said it very well. Pres Obama moved right to keep Jeb out, but was it enough.
If Jeb runs, the left will be forced to back Obama. This is the end game.

I think Jeb will wait until 2016. Corp-America hasnt been hurt by Obama. The Repuke Party can screw with him for another 4 years and then Jeb will ride in on his white horse.

The Revolution is waiting.
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-18-11 02:34 PM
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48. The near destruction of the Democratic Party at this point ... after decades ...
Edited on Thu Aug-18-11 02:35 PM by defendandprotect

of infiltration by Koch Bros. funded DLC and their 20 years or more of influence

over the party --

Obama's presidency was intended to reverse W's evils --

rather we've ended up with an attack on the core principles of the Dem Party --

the New Deal, labor, unions -- health care !!! Yikes!!

With Obama's drones flying over Pakistan and obama taking us into a second decade

of the W wars!!!

Obama is over -- the question is whether we will save any thing of the party!!







But, now, things have monumentally shifted.

With the steady erosion of Obama's new polling numbers on overall job approval (40%), handling of the economy (26%), the federal budget deficit (24%), creating jobs (29%), Afghanistan (38%), education (41%), foreign affairs (42%), terrorism (53%), we are looking at a reelection campaign in deep jeopardy.


And we liberals and progressives aren't the only ones taking note of that.



Right now, Jeb Bush is weighing all of this against the hurdle of 'is it TOO SOON?' That is the only thing that has thus far held him back from a run for the WH. As long as he thought there was little to no chance of anything other than an embarrassing defeat in a match with Obama, he did not want to tarnish himself with that type of loss. That would have buried the "fresh face" named Bush, forever.


Again, the outlook has monumentally shifted. Obama's position is vulnerable now, with his relentless pursuit of right wing policies, blessed by corporate-bred advisers, and made infinitely worse with the administration's attacks on those who fought for his victory in 2008. And Jeb may be now willing to take the gamble.


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starroute Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-18-11 05:15 PM
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51. Jeb has skeletons in his closet
I was just going over some old saved files and found this Mother Jones article on the Bush family from 1992. It's got a whole lot on Jeb's associations with figures involved in Medicare fraud, the S&L scandal, Iran-Contra ... and all that even before he became governor. There's was a lot more after he became governor, particularly having to do with Florida land transactions and Cuban-American sugar interests, but this is a good starting-point.

http://motherjones.com/politics/1992/09/bush-family-value

By 1984, Jeb had been made chairman of the Dade County Republican party, and it was as Republican party chief that he nuzzled up to con man Camilo Padreda. Padreda was serving as Dade County GOP finance chairman and had raised money for the party from Miami's Cuban community. (He had also been a counterintelligence officer for deposed Cuban dictator Fulgencio Batista.) Padreda made his living as a developer who specialized in deals with the corrupt Department of Housing and Urban Development. In 1986, he hired Jeb as the leasing agent for a vacant commercial-office building, which Padreda had built with $1.4 million in federal loans -- loans approved by HUD officials, oddly enough, even though they knew there was already a glut of vacant office space in Miami.

Like so many of those who would attach themselves to the Bush sons over the years, Padreda brought some hefty luggage with him. In 1982, four years before teaming up with Jeb, Padreda, along with another right-wing Cuban exile, Hernandez Cartaya, was indicted and accused of looting Jefferson Savings and Loan Association in McAllen, Texas. The federal indictment charged that the pair had embezzled over $500,000 from the thrift. (Cartaya was also charged with drug smuggling, money laundering, and gun running.) But the Jefferson Savings case would never go to trial. . . .

IMC was run by Cuban-American Miguel Recarey, a character with a host of idiosyncrasies. He carried a 9-mm Heckler & Koch semiautomatic pistol under his suit coat and kept a small arsenal of AR-15 and Uzi assault rifles at his Miami estate, where his bedroom was protected by bullet-proof windows and a steel door. It apparently wasn't his enemies Recarey feared so much as his friends. He had a long-standing relationship with Miami Mafia godfather Santo Trafficante, Jr., and had participated in the illfated, CIA-inspired mob assassination plot against Fidel Castro in the early 1960s. (Associates of Recarey add that Trafficante was the money behind Recarey's business ventures.) . . .

Recarey also surrounded himself with those who could influence the political system. He hired Jeb Bush as IMC's "real-estate consultant." Though Jeb would never close a single real-estate deal, his contract called for him to earn up to $250,000 (he actually received $75,000). Jeb's real value to Recarey was not in real estate but in his help in facilitating the largest HMO Medicare fraud in U.S. history.

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saras Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-18-11 07:09 PM
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60. The Bush family has a construction firm to build new closets. It's not like anyone gets into them.
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-19-11 03:23 PM
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81. And if they do get into them ....
they are "suicided" --

"Fortune Son" -- being one example --

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seafan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-19-11 07:45 AM
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70. That is a classic piece, starroute. Thanks for adding it here.
The evidence on this family is in plain sight for anyone who is unafraid to look.


As long as the hangers-on deny these facts, they absolve themselves of doing anything about it.

And that is the ultimate betrayal of America's principles.


Thanks again, starroute, for bringing this piece back.


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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-19-11 03:23 PM
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80. Public was lied to about S&L Theft & Embezzlements ... just poor accounting -- again -!!!
They all made out like bandits -- and only a few got caught --

Keating and Keating 5 -- and McCain is still in Congress!!

Sad to say -- I'd love to hear that the public understood what went on!!


Thanks for the important reminders, tho -- !!


:)
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zappaman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-18-11 05:17 PM
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52. K & R
This fucker will run in 2016.
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M_A Donating Member (59 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-18-11 06:02 PM
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55. agreed
I predicted 4 years ago that Jeb would move in by 2016 at the latest. I hope I'm wrong but my gut feelings are getting louder by the day.
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xxqqqzme Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-18-11 06:26 PM
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56. I have been saying for over a
year that the jebster will be the nominee. He will be heralded as the savior of the rethuglican party; he will heal all wounds and raise the party from the dead. Big daddy is coming home and the naughty tea bagger children will be no more; there will be no memory or mention of them. He will arrive at the 2012 convention as a acknowledged prince to accept the mantel the brain dead rethugs are ready to beg/demand he take.

It is pure evil from start to finish. The media will fall all over themselves to make certain he is elected. Make plans to leave the country NOW!
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NNN0LHI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-18-11 06:28 PM
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58. No one with a head that big is going to fly under any radar
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katty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-18-11 06:44 PM
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59. of course,he's a bush-gop will dump Perry and Bachmann and
declare: Jeb is only one that can do it!
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Kashka-Kat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-18-11 08:19 PM
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62. IF NOT JEB BUSH then SOME OTHER STEALTH CANDIDATE!! That's how they do it now
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Imagevision Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-18-11 08:35 PM
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63. Do you really believe "W" would have won the 2000 election without Jeb pulling the votes?
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Sportsguy Donating Member (389 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-18-11 08:37 PM
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64. Don't Forget Paul Ryan
The little Eddie Munster bastard.
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Canuckistanian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-18-11 08:42 PM
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65. Oh dear God, no
Who was assigned to keep an eye on him? This is unforgivable.

NEVER let a Bush get out of scrutiny. This is how they work.
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seafan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-18-11 10:08 PM
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67. As a country, we will not survive this again.


November 1, 2000



UK Guardian
19 November 2000 00.30 GMT


John Ellis is not unlike any other American journalist in wanting to be first with big news. At the helm of Rupert Murdoch's Fox News Network's election night decision team, he achieved the now dubious distinction of being the first to call Florida - and the presidential election - for George W. Bush. The numbers he was working from were not official, but the viewers did not know that. Nor did they know that Ellis was very chummy with Bush - he's his first cousin.

No one might have given Ellis much notice if the election was not still hanging by a chad almost two weeks later - or if he had not bragged to the New Yorker magazine that throughout what's come to be known as 'Indecision 2000' he was constantly on the phone with his cousins George and Florida's Governor 'Jebbie', tipping them off with the latest internal projections on the voting.

The revelation has caused disquiet within the more high-minded of media circles, not least because his decision to call it for 'Dubya' on Fox at 2:16am forced the hand of competing networks. CNN, NBC, ABC and CBS followed the Ellis lead within four minutes, only to be forced into embarrassing retractions less than two hours later. But the fateful decision has proved convenient for Republicans in the ongoing PR war, say media watchers, creating a lasting impression that Bush 'won' the White House - and all the legal wrangling down in Florida is just a case of Democratic 'snippiness'.

'The notion you'd have the cousin of one presidential candidate in a position to call a state, and the election, is unthinkable,' says Tom Rosenstiel, director of the Project for Excellence in Journalism. 'Fox's call - wrong, unnecessary, misguided, foolish - helped create a sense that the election went to Bush, was pulled back, and it's just a matter of time before his President-elect title is restored.

.....

'It was just the three of us guys handing the phone back and forth - me with the numbers, one of them a governor, the other President-elect. Now that was cool,' Ellis told the New Yorker . 'And everybody followed us.'

.....




That tragic night ripped the heart and soul out of our country.


And after suffering through the catastrophe of the ensuing decade, America has lost its way.




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Auntie Bush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-18-11 10:28 PM
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68. Oh goodie! And George can advise him since he has all the experience.
Frankly the thoughts of another Bush makes me want to :puke:

Anyone know in what way does he differ policy wise from George W?
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blkmusclmachine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-18-11 11:10 PM
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69. Obama was stumping w/Jebbie in FL on destroying public schools last I heard:
For some good ol' fashioned bipartisanshit.
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Hydra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-19-11 09:41 AM
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71. I think you're right
This is all political Kabuki. Bachman, Perry, Teabaggers, etc.

Jeb can jump in near the end of the race, miss most of the crap flinging, look like the "Steady hand" guy to Obama's "I'm not worried about losing my job."

Dem base will be demoralized, Indies will vote with the economy, and the Repubs will be happy as clams.

Obama's miracle: He resurrected and legitimized the Bush name again. I didn't think ANYBODY could do that.
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seafan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-19-11 11:17 AM
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72. 'Obama's miracle: He resurrected and legitimized the Bush name again.'
'I didn't think ANYBODY could do that.' ---DUer Hydra


I didn't either, Hydra. And watching it all unfold is a continuous horror show.


There is so much unpunished criminality in these photos.



November 17th 2010


http://www3.pictures.zimbio.com/gi/George+H+W+Bush+President+Obama+Honors+Medal+lTu016aXuTol.jpg
Former U.S. President George H. W. Bush (L) is presented with the 2010 Medal of Freedom by President Barack Obama during an East Room event at the White House February 15, 2011 in Washington, DC. Obama presented the medal, the highest honor awarded to civilians, to twelve pioneers in sports, labor, politics and arts. Link
(February 14, 2011 - Photo by Alex Wong/Getty Images North America)


http://www4.pictures.zimbio.com/gi/George+H+W+Bush+President+Obama+Honors+Medal+a2cvugUal26l.jpg
(February 14, 2011 - Photo by Alex Wong/Getty Images North America)


http://www4.pictures.zimbio.com/gi/George+H+W+Bush+President+Obama+Honors+Medal+fWJipGwCXXMl.jpg
(February 14, 2011 - Photo by Alex Wong/Getty Images North America)

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-yLQI8jFkYRc/TVvOcg7n_KI/AAAAAAAALD0/NqwmYjQsdyc/s400/michelle+medal+of+freedom.jpg
February 14, 2011



AP
February 14, 2011



(Olivier Douliery / ABACAUSA.com / Newscom / File)
President Obama greets former Governor Jeb Bush at the 2010 Medal of Freedom ceremony on Feb. 15 at the White House. Mr. Obama and Mr. Bush plan to appear together on March 4 at an education event in Florida.


Why is President Obama sharing the stage with Jeb Bush?, March 4, 2011


Answer: To praise Jeb Bush's efforts for "bold educational reform".


MIAMI – Seeking support for increasing the country’s investment in education, President Barack Obama appeared at a high school here on Friday with an unlikely ally he described as a “champion of education reform” - Jeb Bush, the former Republican governor of Florida. March 4, 2011






Our world no longer makes any sense.




Link








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Hydra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-19-11 11:52 AM
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77. OMFH
:puke: :puke: :puke:

I thought nothing could be worse than when Bill Clinton and 41 are being chummy. This takes THE CAKE.

You know the sad thing? I had a friend in Chicago who warned me about Daley and his cadre, and how Obama was one of them. I asked at the time if we weren't shifting hats among TPTB in order to change the tone while keeping things moving in the same direction.

Apparently I was wrong- it wasn't even a shifting of hats. It was PR operation to have the lower levels of TPTB cover and take crap for the higher levels so they could return all squeaky clean. All in less than 4 years.

I hope Obama enjoys being a probationary member of the 1%. He, like Bill, will take crap for the rest of his life, but his kids are set.
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mrdmk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-19-11 11:28 AM
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74. Kicking to keep this Bush on the radar screen!
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CatholicEdHead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-19-11 11:29 AM
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75. I see it as possible
He came up to MN this spring to teach the MN Legislature how to pattern the state's school's after Florida's. :wtf: The MN Republicans ate it up even though MN schools are far and away better than FL schools. I see that trip as a lower key trip to secure the base up here and gauge support.
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seafan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-19-11 11:44 AM
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76. That was such an embarrassment to Florida. But Jeb thinks we are all "Joe Bag of Donuts" anyway.
Jeb Bush flimflams Minnesota lawmakers on "bold educational reform", May 12, 2011 (link to above comment in this thread)


Jeb Bush's "bold educational reform" is like pouring corrosive acid onto the effort to restore the health of public education in this country.



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marias23 Donating Member (256 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-19-11 03:13 PM
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78. I have been saying this from the beginning...
Those other fools are going to wear themselves/each other and us out making way for the ultimate fool - Jeb.
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kenny blankenship Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-19-11 03:18 PM
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79. The only reason Jeb Bush could even hope to run - in ANY year -
Edited on Fri Aug-19-11 03:21 PM by kenny blankenship
is that compared to Jeb's idiot brother George, Obama doesn't look like an improvement to most people. In poll after poll, people think America is on the wrong track. In 2008, we voted to change direction. But that's not what we got.

By all rights, and according to the consensus view circa 2008, Jeb should have no chance whatsoever at becoming President and should be discouraging people from even mentioning his name in any such connection, to save himself embarrassment.
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-19-11 03:26 PM
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82. Obama is getting weaker and weaker -- cripes, even some think Romney would be better!!! Ouch!!!
I've heard this from two directions now --

based on his not so very extreme run as Gov. of MASS -- !!!


Not only is Obama unpopular but he's positioning the Dem Party as the

anti-FDR party!!!

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TK421 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-19-11 07:06 PM
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83. I'm thinking people like Sarah Palin and Michelle Bachmann have been nothing but distractions
from the real horror.


just a side note...if anyone else noted this, sorry, but I just realized that when you do a spell check with the word "Palin" in the body, the first spell checked entry is "Plain"

try it out!
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Marnie Donating Member (706 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-20-11 07:53 PM
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84. I think that the Republican party is letting all the assholes run
so that when the convention comes the majority of delegates, who are largely professional long term Republicans of the old school will pick the man who cheated his moronic brother into the WH. And it will happen so quickly the pubic will not have time to react, not even the Tee Peers.
Never underestimate the Bush Mafia. They may do their dirty work out of the spit light but that doesn't mean they aren't serious as a snake bite.
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