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Generic Other Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-15-11 11:15 AM
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Gundersen: Rainout of hot particles from radioactive clouds to continue for another year
Rainout of hot particles from radioactive clouds to continue for another year — Not just in Pacific Northwest, says Gundersen (AUDIO)

http://solarimg.org/shows/SolarIMG_podcast_Arnie_Gundersen_130811.mp3
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marions ghost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-15-11 11:35 AM
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1. He gives an address where people can send
Edited on Mon Aug-15-11 12:06 PM by marions ghost
a cloth after the rains (particularly in the Northwest, but there was one of these "rainouts" three weeks ago in Oklahoma--it can happen anywhere) --and it will be analyzed. They are compiling this data from anyone. Listen to the podcast.

Contact him at their website and they will tell people where to send a post-rain sample (on a paper towel). You need to detect a positive reading on a Geiger counter before sending the sample.

http://fairewinds.com/content/contact-us
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CleanGreenFuture Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-15-11 11:41 AM
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2. Is this guy the only source for Fukushima information? I have no
idea how credible this guy is but it seems as if he is the only source for any information on this ongoing event and it just doesn't settle right with me.

Where are all the other scientists and experts that could be walking us through this disaster?
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marions ghost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-15-11 12:01 PM
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3. Go to his website
http://fairewinds.com/

Arnie Gunderson is a foremost expert in his field and has taken the lead in putting out very helpful and consistent updates. There are others around the world, but in America most nuclear energy scientists are tied to the industry and cannot speak out. They know what is going on but they can't discuss it officially.

LISTEN TO THE PODCAST and you will get a better feel for who Arnie is and where he stands. Number one--he is a scientist. But he's a scientist who believes in letting the public know what's really going on. The US government is not even testing food and products from Japan, which is the least they could do.

In the podcast he mentions that US citizens can wipe surfaces after a rain and possibly detect radiation if they have a Geiger counter. You can send these samples to Arnie and a lab will test them.
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Generic Other Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-15-11 01:25 PM
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6. Sad, isn't it?
Of course, the information should be easy to find and abundant. It should be front page news of global importance. When the thyroid cancers start, I am sure they will be equally hard to find info about.
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marions ghost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-15-11 01:07 PM
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4. Meanwhile back in Japan...Life after "311"
I know of no other way to grasp what life is like in Japan other than reading the websites from there. Arnie recommends ENE news. Here's something from one of their links:

August 11, 2011
Do not go to Fukushima. If you are well off enough to travel, I highly recommend that you first purchase a geiger counter of the highest quality and learn well how to use it. Start testing things around you. Learn about “internal emitters”. Learn about “dosimetry” from non-biased, peer-reviewed science based sources, NOT from industry publications, particularly not from industry or government public information, as this is normally useless for learning about dangerous realities, such as radionuclide contamination. Study deeply. It will take a lot of effort and is your duty as as citizen to undertake. You can do it. Learn and teach others.

The above message is especially important if you or anyone in your family or community have children as they are from 20x – 100x more vulnerable to genetic damage, cancers, and other horrible damage of LOW-level internalized radionuclide contamination. There are NOT just one, two or three radionuclides, there are dozens from Fukushima contaminating Tohoku AND the Tokyo metro area, and to somewhat lesser degrees, but increasingly now, the entire Northern Hemisphere. Cesium-137 is like potassium to biological organisms and will contaminate all cells. Plutonium, the most toxic substance known to man, breathed in will lodge in the lung, ingested otherwise tends to go to bone, liver or kidneys, or will cause leukemia. Strontium-90 mimics calcium and can be measured with a properly calibrated geiger counter adjusted to this element’s range by scanning the bone in the forehead.
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Rick Enterilne says:
August 11, 2011 at 1:47 pm

Frank,

I ordinarily live in Iwaki Shi, Fukushima Ken, but I happened to be in the US on business when all the problems began in Tohoku. I am an American citizen who lives and works as a Christian missionary in Japan. Right now I am planning on returning to Japan on October 12, 2011. I expect to return temporarily to Iwaki to dispose of all our possessions in our rented home. When we returned to the States on January 25, we left the vent screens in our windows open to facilitate air flow to reduce the growth of mold, but I fear that this means the interior of the house and all our personal possessions are contaminated with radiation. I rent the house, but I do not plan on returning to live there; however, I must remove my stuff from the premises. I am concerned about being in the area at all since it is less than 30 miles from Fukushima Daiichi. I wonder first of all what your qualifications are to make any recommendations regarding being safe in this situation, and secondly what recommendations you might have for me. I have tried to contact companies here in the States to get a geiger counter, but so far no success in locating one that is available and affordable. I am wondering if I should use some sort of respirator as well as a special garment. Have you any suggestions. Thank you so much for your response.

Sincerely,
Rick Enterline
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Mochizuki says:
August 11, 2011 at 11:24 pm

Hello,Mr.Frank

Thank you for your message. I strongly recommend you not to go back to Iwaki shi,no matter how short the stay will be. A lot of the journalists visit Fukushima for a short term,but they detect Cesium 134 and137 when they have WBC.Not to mention,Strontium 90 is detected too,which causes leukemia.
Geiger counter is only useful when you check air dose,but plumes are always moving,so even if it’s 0.01uSv/h here,it might be 20mSv/h 50cm away from the first point.
I deeply am sorry for you,but from my humanity,I think you should not go back to Iwaki. and your furniture is most likely to be polluted too. Your moving it means you carry radiation around.
Fukushima residents are all sharing this problem and we are trying to force Tepco and the government to pay compensation. but I do want you to know,world has changed since 311.
You saved your life instead of your furniture,and you can live outside of Japan. Please think you are lucky..

http://fukushima-diary.com/2011/08/breaking-news-a-tokyo-citizen-turned-out-to-be-internally-exposed/
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Generic Other Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-15-11 01:23 PM
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5. TYhanks Marion for the reminder that those who live close or have relatives close to the danger
have not forgotten and find Gundersen's insights very important!
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marions ghost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-15-11 02:17 PM
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7. Thank you
Generic Other, for posting Gundersen's report. With the blackout in American media, so many people don't have a clue what's going on, either in Japan or here. Gundersen makes it accessible, puts it in perspective. He and his associates are doing such a great job.

As for those who don't want to know...I can understand that. The truth about this is almost too much to take, especially as we watch the other disasters going on in this country and many people are just worried about their own survival.

We owe it to the people in Japan and those directly affected, not to look away. And we owe it to ourselves. This is a global situation with big implications for the future.
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