If the PTB could "install" Obama as their flunkie why not McCain/Palin?

[Nuclear Unicorn]

Let's face facts, Obama has been a disappointment on many fronts but I keep reading how he was a corporatist front-guy, almost a capitalist's Manchurian candidate (not to be confused with the Muslim Manchurian candidate the TP accuses him of being). Supposedly the media and PTB teamed-up to get him elected and advance their agenda.

To be sure, Obama seems so interested in centristy (yeah, I wrote it that way) policy he's just upsetting the right and left to no end. I'm so upset about certain policies (wars, mainly) that I seriously, seriously doubt I'll vote for him and not just in a stamp-my-foot-and-hold-my-breath poutrage threat; I really mean it.

But a PTB plant? Really? I can't help but feel that the people claiming Obama is a PTB plant are really just upset they got snookered. I'll admit it, I voted for him to get us out of Iraq to stop spilling blood and gold. Not only is he not doing that he's started new wars with less pretense than Bush. I. was. snookered. It's almost cleansing to say it.

If the PTB wanted a flunkie, would they chosen one that would have chosen Obama's court appointees? Or Elizabeth Warren? Or the cadre that has supposedly so enraged Glen Beck and others? If the PTB is so gosh darn powerful why not McCain/Palin where the appointees would more palatable and they'd still get their bailouts?

It makes no sense for the PTB to be RW then choose Obama when they could have had a RW candidate. The only reason for having a LW candidate would be to dupe the LW while keeping the RW happy. Unless the RW is faking being outraged to keep the LW off-guard this ploy has failed miserably. Obama is not part of some nefarious plot, he's just not very good at what he does because he risks no meaningful outcome which unsurpisingly leaves us with no meaningful outcomes. No conspiracy needed; just ineffectual drift.

[brooklynite]

1. You'll never convince people...

...that the whole election process isn't rigged. So much easier to believe you can't beat the system than to do the hard work of fighting for candidates AND fighting for issues.

[FSogol]

2. K&R. People love the idea that they can't win. It means they don't have to get off their lazy

a$$es. These are difficult times. It will take a lot of work to fix everything. Most people would rather gripe.

[Nuclear Unicorn]

4. I'm trying hard to not agree with you but I'm not having much luck

Progressivism should be based on positives. Hope for better things.

If it, or any ideology, is based on fear and despondency then it's outcome must be fear and despondency.

[Bandit]

3. Do you honestly believe a Republican President could acomplish more than Obama

Democrats in the Senate would have opposed everything they agreed to under Obama, if there had been a President McCain. Why do you think they didn't dismantle everything under Bush* when they held both Houses of Congress and the Extreme Court? Democrats stood up against them. They won't do that against Obama so we get Cuts in everything we value..

[Nuclear Unicorn]

6. Well, that actually goes to further my point

If the big, bad, scary, invisible PTB could rig a national election to elect Obama (IF that is his *real* name :P ) then certainly they could supply President McCain with a pliant senate as well. I would think state elections would be just as easy/easier to rig than national elections even if only in the media if not the actual ballot box.

[readmoreoften]

5. McCain-Palin would've never gotten Americans to accept privatization of public education,

busting teachers' unions or putting social security/medicare/medicaid on the table. In order to destroy the Democrats' Keynesian platform, you need a Democrat to do the destroying.

[emsimon33]

14. I agree--it takes a plant, like Obama, who pretends to be a Democrat

I wish we had a viable candidate to run against him. Any Democrat governors out there? What about Jim Webb, retiring senator from Virginia?

[Warpy]

7. They didn't install Obama

They just gave him the talk they give all new Presidents about what he will and will not be expected to do if he wants to see his children grow up.

It's all very civilized, of course, because there are Cuban cigars and fine brandy in abundance.

[dawg]

8. Quit trying to inject your sanity into my computer!

It makes it harder for me to keep all the conspiracy theories straight. :hi:

[Nuclear Unicorn]

11. Some days I wonder if reality isn't a conspiracy against us

:hi: :hug:

[dawg]

9. Seriously, though.

Obama is not a plant. He is either a moderate conservative, or else he has a real hang-up about bipartisanship that has blinded him to the realities he faces.

Basically, he's a good man but flawed.

[Nuclear Unicorn]

19. I dunno

Looking at the just-concluded debt-ceiling "deal" look at the group he was negotiating with. Obama is going to count on seniors and Medicare recipients far more than the GOP ever will. When it came time to play political chicken Obama said, "Do what I want or the checks don't go out."

Um. OK, Mr. President. You said that to a group that has moral quandries about sending out SS and Medicare checks. If the only threat one side has also happens to occupy the same practical result as the other side's end game you don't have much of a threat. You might as well have threatened to refuse to move the ball out of his own end-zone. And as those SS and Medicare recipients are obstensibly Obama's constituents not only does the TP gain their objective they hurt Obama's camp in the process.

That was a bad hand dealt to a lousy bluffer. I'm thinking more along the lines of healthcare reform. As raucous as *that* episode was we were told we had to snuff the PO because the GOP would never stand for it. Then, as soon as it was off the table they went with reconciliation, passing "reform" as a budget item so the GOP could not use the filibuster.

HELLO! Can we put the PO back in now? What? "No?" Why? "Mandate?" WTH is that!?!? To hell with the "middle ground" we're using reconciliation so this is our show and our show alone, let's do it right! Instead we have a mandate that insults progressives' rejection of crony capitalism and tweaks the RW on personal liberty or whatever. What a way to build a consensus!

[truedelphi]

10. Henry Kissinger explains all this:

The Powers that be needed a fresh young face, with dark skin tones, to help bring about the plans to Corporatize all of the world. New World Order. He gave an interview winter of 2008-09 that showed how pleased he was with the results. Apparently Kissinger was quite aware of who Obama's money advisers would be (same ol' same ol' as under Bush) and who his military people would be (same ol' same ol' as under Bush) et cetera.
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Henry probably knew about Obama's allegiance to Monsanto as well.

Ask yourself this: how many people in Africa would relate to McCain? That continent needs "Americanization" by Verizon, Ford Motor Company, Honeywell, Dow Chemical, Monsanto etc. It is a key continent to our industries' expansion.

Aside: Ever notice how much Hillary Clinton, Obama's choice for Secretary of State, rags on leaders of other nations to let down the barriers so that the Monsanto GM crops can be used in places where smart foreign people have kept that crap out?

And one other thing - circa Fall 2008, We the People were nuts about Obama - I know our household was.

So it was a two fer - for once the Powers that Be didn't have to jimmy around with the actual results of an election here. And for another, they had one of their people in place, it's just few of us voters realized it.

[emsimon33]

15. Spot on!

[Duende azul]

16. Your post would deserve a rec!

[JoePhilly]

17. Kissinger? That's a joke right?

One of the most right wing guys EVER ... but he "explains" Obama to us ... and we should eat that up?

Wow.

[truedelphi]

25. There are at least a handful of full length documentaries on YOUTube that

Have the clip of Henry offering up his approval for Obama.

Circa Winter 2008-09.

You don't have to believe his explanation. I am simply letting people know that HK approved of Obama, something you would have never seen happen if the Candidate elect had been, oh let's say for the sake of argument, Senator Paul Wellstone.

After all, Obama has been different than George W - he sends condolence letters to families of GI's who commit suicide while in Iraq and Afghanistan.

And, uh, then there is the thing of Obama Approving stem cell research.

So he isn't exactly the same!

[Nuclear Unicorn]

26. So if I'm reading this right

Kissinger has to bless Obama to be elected president so America can overtake Africa.

You know, my kid sister-in-law has these refrigerator magnets that have a whole bunch of different words on them; nouns, verbs, adjectives, articles, etc. She'll spend hours arranging and re-arranging them to make out the goofiest sentences and the more bizarre the sentences become the prouder she is of her efforts. I love just watching her. She always brightens my day.

I don't know why I'm suddenly reminded of that; I'm just sayin'.

[Coyote_Bandit]

12. Im not convinced that

McCain WANTED to win. He stood up Letterman. He picked Palin knowing that was risky. He put in a lot less time on the campaign trail.

I'm certainly not defending McCain's policies and I would not have wanted him to be elected. But I think he is enough of a lone wolf to have self-sabotaged his election effort - especially if he thought that a successful campaign would require that he submit to the PTB once he took office. He's fairly well set for life. He may have chosen to forego the position rather than know he would have to submit to the PTB.

[JoePhilly]

18. Oh brother ...

McCain decided not to win because he didn't want to submit to the PTB ... the same ones who let him win the GOP primary.

:rofl:

[Nuclear Unicorn]

21. The problem with conspiracies is, they depend upon ever-widening circles of logic

and built-in defenses. If it is a secret cabal then of course we have no evidence because (DUH!) they're a secret cabal.

The RW cabal is why Obama went on to be elected and piss-off RWers across the spectrum. And the RW cabal is why RW McCain and even Rightier-Winger Palin was not installed.

The Monsanto theory in this thread is as weird as it is unique.

[JoePhilly]

24. I must agree ... the Monsanto part is interesting ... and I can't

wait for the next episode of this OP in which the connection of Monsanto to 9/11 will be revealed!!!!

UGH ... I hate these cliff hangers!!!!

:rofl:

[Tommy_Carcetti]

13. Because...they were trying to fool Lloyd Braun!

Either that, or because of Tower 7!

[DenverDad]

20. Nice!

:rofl:

[swilton]

22. You don't get it

PTB don't need McCain/Palin when they have Obama - why would they want Republicans in the WH which would unite the Democratic Party in opposition? Right now they have a fifth column doing the Republicans' work with no Democratic opposition.

[Nuclear Unicorn]

23. I'd think if the PTB were worth their weight in internet postings

there would be no "Democratic Party in opposition." Why can they only tinker with a single national election but not individual states?