Is it wrong for me to wonder if McCain would have ended up left of Obama?

[Quixote1818]

The problem is that whenever a Democrat gets into office Republicans become deficit hawks in a way that is really bad for the economy especially when we are on the edge of a recession. Clearly Republicans know this and want the economy to stall and get the Dem out of office. Had McCain been in office they probably would have allowed some pretty serious spending to go on like they did with Bush. Deep down they know Gov. spending gets the economy going and Republicans love to run up the debt, then when out of office scream it is the Democrats fault.

The problem is Republicans are such ass holes they force Democrats to govern in a way that is to the Right of where many Republicans are allowed to govern. At least it feels this way. I don't think Obama is to the Right of McCain but he is forced to be. Then again, he is quite the push over and that is the other reason I think we are ending up in worse shape than we might have been with McCain. At least on the economy. He might have stacked the Supreme Court further to the right.

[undeterred]

1. Only if they kept torturing him.

[3waygeek]

3. Wouldn't having Sarah Palin as Veep be torture?

Not just for McCain, but for us as well.

[FreeJoe]

2. Are you kidding?

He wouldn't have done a thing to stop the wars and might have started another one. He would have left Guantanamo open. He would have pushed for some BS healthcare reform to deflect people from real reform. He....hey, wait at second. What happened to the change I voted for???

[Walk away]

4. You honestly believe this?

Incredible! Why don't we call this place RU?

[Quixote1818]

11. Did you even read the text? Not suggesting Obama is to the right of McCain, I am saying

he was forced there by the Republicans who would have looked the other way if McCain was in office.

[Tesha]

5. No, but at least we would have had a Republican doing it all and...

...we could have been united against him.

There are definite disadvantages to having a "D" next to the name
of a fellow who's governing just like a Republican.

Tesha

[ProSense]

6. Here, savor this:

John McCain's Inglorious DADT Moment

[AnnieBW]

7. Not with Sister Sarah

Pushing him to the right.

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[11 Bravo]

13. Yeah, why limit our choices to "wrong" when "ignorant" is also clearly in play?

[anamandujano]

9. It's always been my position that McCain would never do

anything to knowingly hurt the country.

For openers, he would not have let this debt ceiling debate go on and on. I didn't like his talk about the war but perhaps he was being less disingenuous than Obama, who we now know as an unrepentant liar.

I actually think he may have brought more soldiers home and would definitely not let vets get the shaft they are getting today.

Although he has Repuke ideology, I think he has less puppet masters pulling on him. That's why he never gets elected.

He would have also been the boss of Sara and she'd probably been better off today for it.

[tblue]

12. I've heard it said he never met a war he didn't like.

He is pretty trigger happy. I don't know what kind of potus he'd be.

[anamandujano]

14. He seems to be a compassionate person, unlike Obama.

It's unclear to what extent he may or may not be entangled with those that profit from war (unlike the Bushes and Cheney) and I'm guessing he feels we need to win any war we have started but I doubt he would have started the wars that Bush started.

[tblue]

10. If McCain was potus and did exactly what Obama does

everyone here would support him and want to reelect him. Right? I seriously doubt it.

[whatchamacallit]

15. Great question n/t

[pennylane100]

16. No it's not wrong of you, but I suggest you cut down on the Koolade.

it definitely causes hallucinations.

[Quixote1818]

17. So you don't believe Republicans force Dems to the Right and Repubs are

allowed to spend like drunken sailors when they have the presidency like Bush did? You didn't read passed the title did you?

[pennylane100]

18. I did read the title

but nobody FORCED Obama to the right. He walked there own his own.

He had a democratic congress and a democratic senate for two years. He did a lot of things right but it is my belief that he could have done a lot of things better. He should not have extended the Bush tax cuts, he did not need a veto proof senate to do that. He could have closed down Guantanamo like he promised. He could have appointed a much better attorney general. He should never have given Larry Summers a job. He did tackle health care but I think he settled for less than he should have. He could have withdrawn from Afghanistan sooner. He should have paid more attention to the progressive base that got him elected. And the list goes on.

I will definitely vote for Obama and I am sure I will give money to his reelection campaign. He is, for democrats, the only game in town and we must support him but we have the right not to do so blindly.

[AngkorWot]

19. You mean wrong in the head?

Yes

[eleny]

20. I think Palin would have driven him to an early grave

[LSdemocrat]

21. The better question is whether Hillary would have ended up to the left of Obama

I think liberals just got played in the primaries by a guy whose sole liberal credential was "I was right on Iraq from the start".

At minimum, there is no way Hillary would have been as bad a negotiator for our side as Obama. And while some of her starting points on certain pieces of legislation may not have been as far to the left as Obama's initial positions, I would be willing to bet she would have at least been able to get more of it passed in her first two years.

[Dokkie]

22. yes yes and yes

McCain is a maniac and would have shown his true colors if he had been the president. Obama is center right but thats still way left of McCain

[cali]

23. it's utterly ridiculous.

and that's not a defense of Obama in any way, shape or form.