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nashville_brook Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-05-11 10:42 AM
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As one of the strongest US presidents EVER, Obama is bizarro FDR | Salon/Sirota


Obama isn't weak (he just isn't a liberal)
The president has the political muscle to enact a progressive agenda, but he doesn't want to

BY DAVID SIROTA

http://www.salon.com/news/david_sirota/2011/08/05/obama...


(snip)

...It is silly to insist that the national political events during Obama's term represent a lack of presidential strength or will. And it's more than just silly -- it's a narcissistic form of wishful thinking coming primarily from liberals who desperately want to believe "their" president is with them.

Such apologism, of course, allows liberals to avoid the more painful truth that Obama is one of America's strongest presidents ever and is achieving exactly what he wants.

Obama is not a flaccid Jimmy Carter, as some of his critics insist. He is instead a Franklin Delano Roosevelt -- but a bizarro FDR. He has mustered the legislative strength of his New Deal predecessor -- but he has channeled that strength into propping up the very forces of "organized money" that FDR once challenged.

On healthcare, for instance, Obama passed a Heritage Foundation-inspired bailout of the private health insurance industry, all while undermining other more-progressive proposals. On foreign policy, he escalated old wars and initiated new ones. On civil liberties, he not only continued the Patriot Act and indefinite detention of terrorism suspects but also claimed the right to assassinate American citizens without charge. On financial issues, he fought off every serious proposal to reregulate banks following the economic meltdown; he preserved ongoing bank bailouts; and he resisted pressure to prosecute Wall Street thieves. On fiscal matters, after extending the Bush tax cuts at a time of massive deficits, he has used the debt ceiling negotiations to set the stage for potentially massive cuts to Social Security and Medicare -- cuts that would be far bigger than any of his proposed revenue increases.

As hideous and destructive as it is, this record is anything but weak. It is, on the contrary, demonstrable proof of Obama's impressive political muscle, especially because polls show he has achieved these goals despite the large majority of Americans who oppose them.

(snip)

David Sirota is a best-selling author of the new book "Back to Our Future: How the 1980s Explain the World We Live In Now."
He hosts the morning show on AM760 in Colorado.
E-mail him at ds@davidsirota.com,
follow him on Twitter @davidsirota or
visit his website at www.davidsirota.com .
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Hawkowl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-05-11 10:45 AM
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1. The "list" proves this
All those blue linkers with the "list" seem to prove Sirota's point. He's not weak, he just hates liberals.
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nashville_brook Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-05-11 10:55 AM
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2. comes a point where it can't cut both ways. Sirota makes a good point, and does it better
others who've been saying the same thing for a while. Obama is no Jimmy Carter.
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villager Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-05-11 10:59 AM
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6. Dupe
Edited on Fri Aug-05-11 11:01 AM by villager
n/t
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nashville_brook Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-05-11 11:03 AM
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12. it's a paradox, a zen koan - just let the "ideology" wash over you
OM...OM...OM my gawd, we're getting screwing again!
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villager Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-05-11 11:06 AM
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13. Can it be reconciled? The utterly helpless leader for our times?
Or can it only be repeatedly apologized for?
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SugarShack Donating Member (979 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-05-11 02:03 PM
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43. Oh yes...it's a dupe...so make it go away....boo hoo.
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villager Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-05-11 10:59 AM
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7. One of the great apologias we keep hearing: "Obama is a great leader! But he's too weak! He's
Edited on Fri Aug-05-11 11:00 AM by villager
a great leader, but nothing could possibly be his fault, or responsibility!"

In other words, we're to believe he's a great, articulate leader who can't get anything done, even with Democratic majorities, and is somehow routinely prevented from forcefully espousing -- and publicly advocating -- necessary, alternative visions.
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tblue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-05-11 11:16 AM
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18. Omgosh!!! Villager, that's so well said!
You're brilliant! I guess it's impossible for some of us to give up on this guy, but whether they think he can't or he won't, the end result is the same. Both you and Sirota are spot on, and I am fed up with people bullying others into swearing allegiance to Obama.
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villager Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-05-11 11:25 AM
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22. Well, thanks, but I wish we had the guy I voted for in there, instead
...who was bringing the fight to the Republicans, and not to his "professional liberal" base.

As for the hectoring and bullying - you're right, that's also telling, that so much of his support has come to that.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-05-11 11:42 AM
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28. Obama Bound.


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KittyWampus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-05-11 10:57 AM
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4. You prove that ideologues don't give a shit about REALITY. Ignore the actual leftward progress
It's dishonest. It's sickening.

But at least you essentially admit your position of not caring about the real leftward progress.
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nashville_brook Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-05-11 10:59 AM
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8. can you explain what you mean by "ideologues?"
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-05-11 11:00 AM
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9. Leftward progress? We're about to lay hands on the vestiges of the New Deal.
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nashville_brook Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-05-11 11:15 AM
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17. well you see, if you weren't such an ideologue about this Social Security thing, you see that CEOs
Edited on Fri Aug-05-11 11:15 AM by nashville_brook
taking control of Social Security and Medicare is going to be grrrrrreat! You're gonna LOVE it! There will be logos...and brochures...and all sorts of 30-second commercial spots that will actually make you feel smarter and better looking for handing over Social Security to the private market.



:evilgrin:

/sarcasm

etc...
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-05-11 11:21 AM
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20. I forgot.
;-)
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Better Believe It Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-05-11 11:01 AM
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10. Anymore economic "leftward progress" by Obama and we shall enter a full scale economic depression!

Leftward?

Has the meaning of this term been totally lost?
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nashville_brook Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-05-11 12:53 PM
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38. it's all relative...
to how much $$ gets contributed to our favorite heart throb pols.

this is post-political politics - get with the program!

:evilgrin:
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StarsInHerHair Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-05-11 10:27 PM
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60. it has for some, I did read somewhere that some will follow their leader no
matter what.
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Lorien Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-05-11 08:54 PM
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57. Sweetie, you lost your grip on reality the moment you saw Obama in his swim trunks.
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KittyWampus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-05-11 10:56 AM
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3. Sirota knows how to play to his ideologue audience. Doesn't matter he's lying.
And it disgusts me that so many lap his crap up.
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nashville_brook Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-05-11 10:58 AM
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5. so, you disagree that Obama is fundamentally a strong president -- you hold that he is weak?
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tblue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-05-11 11:34 AM
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24. Yes, we must pity him.
It's required by law. Because it is all, ever, and only about this one man who must be reelected at all costs. Don't you remember when we all pledged allegiance to Obama, and screw the republic on which he stands, one nation under surveillance, with austerity and no safety net for all. Except him.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-05-11 11:02 AM
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11. Utter
"On healthcare, for instance, Obama passed a Heritage Foundation-inspired bailout of the private health insurance industry"

...garbage!

The health care law is more progressive than Clinton's. It included catastrophic care coverage (picked up for Kerry's 2004 plan), free preventive care for seniors, and it provides a funded path to single payer for states.

Bernie Sanders voted for it (video).
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treestar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-05-11 11:07 AM
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14. Oh but it's wrong to use a blue link to prove something!
And our left liberal hero Bernie who should be President and primary Obama because if Bernie only held the Presidency we'd get single payer and high taxes on the rich no matter what the make up of Congress - how could such a hero have voted for that corporate health care!!!!!!!! You must be lying!!!!!1111111 Hysteria :nuke: :rofl: :scared:
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-05-11 11:25 AM
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nashville_brook Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-05-11 11:08 AM
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16. Bernie Sanders is a convenient progressive stamp of approval -- but you misrepresent him...
SANDERS: At the end of the day, let's be clear, the United States is the only nation in the industrialized world that does not provide health care for all of our people and yet we end up spending almost twice as much as any other country. Is this health care reform bill the bill I would have written? No, it is not.

And one of the changes that I want to see is not to repeal the whole bill, but to give states the flexibility to go forward in more effective ways. In my state I would like to see; and I think we've got a shot at passing a Medicare for all, single payer bill, which in a cost effective way could provide health care to all of our people.

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treestar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-05-11 11:56 AM
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30. But shouldn't he have stood his ground?
Been strong? Had the balls to vote no?

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Hawkowl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-05-11 11:20 AM
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19. It is Mitt Romney's plan
It IS a right wing Rethuglican devised plan that Obama wholeheartedly adopted. He also then squelched all talk of a public option and single payer with the power of the Presidency. A very strong rightwing approach.

Sanders voted for it because it through a few crumbs towards community health centers.

We do not forget. We're keeping score brother.
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OHdem10 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-05-11 11:07 AM
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15. Absolutely accurate. This is why Liberals are upset. He is not
one of us. He is a Conservadem or New Democrat.

Liberals are having to come to grips with a Conservative
Democratic Party which has rendered Liberals essentially
irrelevant.
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uponit7771 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-05-11 11:26 AM
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23. ************FDR HAD 83% DEMOCRATIC CONGRESS************* MORE OBAMA BASHING!!!
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-05-11 11:38 AM
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26. "It's Not His Fault: Obama 2012".
lol
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bvar22 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-05-11 01:06 PM
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39. LOL
It's Not His Fault: Obama 2012



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DirkGently Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-05-11 03:07 PM
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48. Oh, God. That's EXACTLY what it's going to be, isn't it? Incumbents rarely win that argument.
Edited on Fri Aug-05-11 03:07 PM by DirkGently
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OHdem10 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-05-11 12:13 PM
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32. not when he started. He got the people on his side and had
send Democrats to Congress.

Roosevelt had to contend with Republicans who hated
him and Southern Democrats(Blue DOgs?) who gave him
heartburn at every turn.

FDR believed in something therefore he could sell it.
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DirkGently Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-05-11 05:24 PM
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52. Right. Then it was a handful of Republican Senators who were too much to handle.
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nashville_brook Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-05-11 12:49 PM
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36. so did Obama -- for two years.
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_ed_ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-06-11 09:44 AM
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61. Obama 2012:
"Hope and change as long as I have over 83% of my own party in Congress"
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-05-11 11:37 AM
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25. But, but
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meow mix Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-05-11 11:41 AM
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27. what would reagan do?
he fucking loves him some reagan
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DrDan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-05-11 11:50 AM
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29. "one of the strongest . . . " - you don't see that very often - for good reason
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Javaman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-05-11 11:56 AM
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31. Okay, when moron* fucked up, we blamed him*...
yet, now that Obama is in office 2 years, we don't blame him for the countries problems?

That's some strange logic.
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nashville_brook Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-05-11 12:47 PM
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35. that's the brain-wrecking effect of personality politics. we're expected to weep like tweens for our
political hearthrob of the day.


excuse me while i download shirtless vacation pics.
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Javaman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-05-11 01:48 PM
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41. ...
:spray:

"excuse me while i download shirtless vacation pics."

:rofl:

Thanks for the laugh, I really needed it today! :)

Cheers!
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DirkGently Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-05-11 02:27 PM
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45. YES. Unfortunately, while leadership is a JOB, politics is a personality & fund-raising contest.
Edited on Fri Aug-05-11 02:28 PM by DirkGently
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Lorien Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-05-11 08:52 PM
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56. I can only imagine what their bedrooms look like
:scared: :puke:
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TK421 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-05-11 09:04 PM
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59. you think there is such a thing as Obama underoos?
maybe Obama curtains or Obama bedsheets? :scared: :scared: :scared:
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DirkGently Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-05-11 12:40 PM
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33. This is emerging as bottom line on Obama. He's a pro-corporate, anti-social program conservative.

Period. He's not a fool. He's not impotent. He's not been "baited by Republicans." He wants to please corporate America first, last, and always. Those tax cuts are going NOWHERE.

But social programs are, even if he has make Republicans "make him do it."

And the wars are going nowhere but foward and outward.

Perhaps he campaigned as a right-leaning, Wall-street-beholden, crusader against the New Deal.

And we all just misunderstood, somehow.

Now we get it. He's not FDR. He's not even Carter. He dislikes "tax and spend liberals." In a gigantic, job-starved recession, his most fervent wish was the largest spending cut in history, presumably without ending any of the quasi-legal wars and criminal drone assassinations carried out with his approval, every day.

He IS a Democrat. But he is no progressive, no liberal. No way.


So now what?
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Rex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-05-11 12:44 PM
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34. He is the most powerful corporate suit we've ever had
as POTUS.
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DirkGently Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-05-11 02:24 PM
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44. Yes. I tire of hearing how impotent he is to close Gitmo or let tax cuts expire, etc.
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Rex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-05-11 02:40 PM
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46. Most people get confused about what he can do and what Congress
does for a living. I'd say if he comes up with great social programs in his next term it will overshadow LBJ. Our last powerful corporate suit as POTUS.
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DirkGently Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-05-11 03:04 PM
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47. He can argue the truth AND stick to it. His hero Reagan demanded a clean raise of the cap and GOT IT
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Rex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-05-11 03:15 PM
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50. I still cannot believe his hero is Ronald Reagan!
A man that HATED intellectualism, equality and social prosperity! WTF!
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DirkGently Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-05-11 03:49 PM
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51. And a huge, HUGE, corporate shill. I swear those "hearing aids" were piping in instructions from GE.
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nashville_brook Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-05-11 06:18 PM
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54. ground-up, smash mouth politics - starting with precinct captainships.
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woo me with science Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-05-11 12:51 PM
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37. Glad to see some in the media finally waking up.
K&R
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awoke_in_2003 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-05-11 01:14 PM
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40. k&r. nt
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fascisthunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-05-11 01:57 PM
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42. Liberal=Humanitarian not Corporate
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girl gone mad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-05-11 03:12 PM
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49. k & r
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ibegurpard Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-05-11 05:27 PM
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53. absolutely!
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amborin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-05-11 06:27 PM
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55. K&R
either that, or massively incompetent and clueless; i'd vote for Sirota's interpratation
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-05-11 08:56 PM
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58. ''The president has the political muscle to enact a progressive agenda, but he doesn't want to.''
Heck. That's why I vote for Democrats and why I voted for Obama. It's been my experience that Democrats, by my definition anyway, are people who know how to apply the powers of government to get things done that make life better for ALL Americans.
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nashville_brook Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-06-11 11:20 AM
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62. political power is not just about legislation - it's about strategy
good article in TruthOut about FDR muscular strategy vis a vis the conservative courts of the day. this fight wasn't about vote-counting, or polling. it was a street fight of sorts -- and it's the kind of strategy that is willing to lose a battle in order to win a war...which assumes that all the sides aren't secretly in collusion behind closed doors.

http://www.truth-out.org/peoples-rogue-fdr-vs-nine-old-...
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