Barackobama.com says no cuts to medicare, social security in debt ceiling

[Fire Walk With Me]

http://my.barackobama.com/page/content/debt-deal-info?source=20110801_BO_FB

[UrbScotty]

1. To those who say there ARE cuts, I say: Where's the beef?

[spanone]

6. david plouffe....commission will look at..'entitlement reforms'

said this on the today show

[county worker]

12. You are a doctor, You are used to getting 40 to 60 % of the cash you generate for the clinic you

work for.

A patient comes in with a pretty decent insurance plan. That plan's reimbursement is usually some percentage above what Medicare pays for the same procedure. You treat that patient and the cash generated is $300. You get say 50% or $150. Now a patient come in with the same condition and your reimbursement by medicare has been reduced to $75 for the same procedure. You make about $38. Over time you figure out that if you spend a good portion of your day treating medicare patients your annual income will drop drastically.

So you decide no more medicare patients will be treated by you.

So even though benefits were not cut for the patient there won't be any doctors to treat you.

Happy?

I was a controller of a medical clinic and I saw this happen all the time.

[former9thward]

13. Didn't you listen to Obama last night?

He said there would be medicare "adjustments".

[KittyWampus]

15. Bargaining for drug prices is an "adjustment".

[former9thward]

17. Ohh ok so that what Obama means when he says he faces "hard choices" from my party.

I guess "his" party does not want lower drug prices. Got it.

[DJ13]

2. The real cuts are to come from that chickenshit 'super congress'

So technically they are right, but they are also deliberately lying.

[Fire Walk With Me]

4. Ah, there's the rub..

[ProfessionalLeftist]

8. Exactly. Lies by omission. n/t

[William769]

3. Now theres a source you can trust!

:sarcasm:

[mmonk]

5. So what is the super duper debt commission gonna look at?

[Autumn]

9. Just waste and fraud. They will never touch any vital programs

needed by the poor or elderly. :rofl:

[mmonk]

11. Yes, I'm sure of that. Have you seen my waders? It's getting pretty deep.

[mike_c]

7. more smoke and mirrors....

The cuts will come when the gang of twelve stands on the necks of the working class later-- this time around, Obama succeeded in making cuts to entitlement programs part of the conversation-- you know, the ones we're entitled to because we paid for them. Social security is no longer the third rail of U.S. politics-- there is broad acceptance in congress and out that the "problem" of social security must be addressed in order to "solve" the "deficit problem." Never mind that there isn't really a deficit problem unless the government makes it a problem, or that social security is completely successful, solvent, and not even related to the "deficit problem," or that cutting SS benefits won't have one whit of impact on the deficit, ever.

The right's issues with SS are ideological, but the program is well loved by Americans, even most rank-and-file right wingers, so they have to wrap it up into a "problem" that people think they understand. Demonizing SS as part of the deficit accomplishes that.

Obama carried water for them. He threw SS on the table like a cheap trinket. He was the first non-crazy American politician to grasp the third rail and live to tell the tale, and he did it for no good reason at all.

[CelticThunder]

10. NOW (National Organization of Women) just blasted it.

[OHdem10]

14. In all seriousness, that is why they have the Super Congress.

The second round includes the Big Three. Did no one
read Jared Bernstein's post this A.M.

He goes into detail on 1st Round and Second Round.

Obama did not make cuts. Learn DLC speak or you will
be lost forever.

Common Sense: Why a Super Congress. Because neither
party wants to be saddled with cutting entitlements
or SS Medicare, Medicaid. This way they can say "The
Commission made me do it" when they have to vote up or
down to accept or reject the plan. They all know there
are going to be cuts.

[provis99]

16. it's a sneaky and shitty thing to do to the American people.

The "Super Congress" is rigged, so that when they propose chopping Social Security, and it is adopted, Social Security gets axed. If they vote against the spending cut recommendations, cuts to Social Security kick in automatically anyways.

So it is impossible to avoid social security cuts; the asshole Democrats and Republicans simply want to dodge responsibility.