If this thing passes the House, it will be a coalition of Dems and non-Teabag Rethugs.

[roamer65]

Boner threw the Teabaggers under the bus tonite with this deal. This is gonna get interesting folks.

[Kaleva]

1. And the progressives got tossed. Streets of Washington D.C. are full of speed bumps.

[Zenlitened]

2. But the teabaggers DON'T want to vote to raise the debt ceiling.

They WANT to be able to say they voted AGAINST raising the debt ceiling.

I don't think they're feeling under the bus at all. Just the opposite? :shrug:

[TheWraith]

4. No. What they want is to not raise the debt ceiling. Not just vote against it.

On that, Boner screwed them hard.

[roamer65]

7. I agree with you...and they also wanted SS and Medicare cuts.

Boner screwed them really hard.

We progressives knew we were screwed the minute they dropped tax increases on the wealthy. We knew early on that was coming. The teabaggers got it hard and late in the game. They're gonna be screaming.

[TheWraith]

12. Taxes on the wealthy are still going to increase when the tax cuts expire. nt

[Zenlitened]

8. No, they've been empowered to portray themselves as the sole champions, the lone defenders...

...of the poor oppressed taxpayers. The only ones willing to stand up and fight Big Gummint.

You know and I know that they're full of crap.

But that's their schtick, and freeing them to vote "no" on raising the debt ceiling empowers them to strut and boast before their audience, their fellow teabaggers.

The play's the thing, to them, and a "no" vote gives them exactly the lines they like best.

[TheWraith]

15. Yeah, but the Baggers basically think that government is magic.

The teabaggers have every bit as unrealistic a view of the democratic process as some on the left have: they imagine that they can just get everything they want, right now, no questions asked. No "process," no compromise, no long term goals. They don't just want to fight, or parade, they want to win, dominate, and crush all dissent. Their entire movement is based on such a grossly oversimplified view of government that the end result is them having no idea how anything actually works. They only have rigid ideology and a black and white world view.

Tonight is not a good night for them.

[Zenlitened]

16. Well, now I'm not at all sure...

...you understand "some on the left," let alone the teabaggers.

Sorry, but your political analysis just doesn't seem realistic to me. :(



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[maryellen99]

5. I think we will default

I don't think Obama will use the 14th amendment because he does not have the will to do it. I hope I'm wrong.

[TheWraith]

11. The 14th Amendment doesn't give the Pres the power to raise the debt ceiling. nt

[Ruby the Liberal]

3. "Threw them under the bus". Did they crawl out of the sewer to get to street level?

The only things they didn't get were the BBA and Obama's resignation out of this deal.

[Gman]

6. I'm thinking it may have an equal number of the GOP and Democrats passing if

assuming it gets passed which would imply it was truly "bipartisan" but that will be for all the wrong reasons.

[FBaggins]

9. So they get what they want AND they get to vote against it

So they can tell their constituents that they insisted on holding the line.

[socialshockwave]

10. Is it wrong to say...

that I kinda hope the Progressive and the Teabag squad unite to defeat this proposal?

They both hate it. Doesn't mean we agree - I hate the teabaggys more then anything - but they're both united in opposition to this deal.

[texanwitch]

13. I want another bus to be under.

I don't want want to be anywheres new a teabagger.

[OHdem10]

14. Possibly, Blue Dogs , and the more sane Republicans. might be

one way to do it.