Norwegian Dominionist Slaughters Innocents

[katanalori]

Norwegian Dominionist Slaughters Innocents

from Leah Burton at "God's Own Party"

"It turns out he is a self-proclaimed “Conservative Christian nationalist” who apparently was very active on a Norwegian-language anti-Moslem hate forum (compilation of writings, in Norwegian. ((warning: hate site))…and in Norway, there’s really only two possibilities (Dominionist or neo-Nazi)…and things MIGHT be thrown more to the “Dominionist” end of things as he apparently listed an anti-Nazi author on his now-defunct Facebook and media reports that he’s supposedly “pro-Israel”…

So far, much of the press on this has been in Norwegian-language sources, but the Australian Broadcasting Corporation notes that he was a “Christian fundamentalist”: At least one person familiar with Norwegian and who has been following reports (on a forum I’m a regular on) has even noted that “Christian DOMINIONIST” may be a more accurate translation…an article in the Jakarta Globe also points to “dominionist” without using the term. Apparently he went through confirmation at 15, which indicates he converted to a Dominionist church from a mainline Christian one…"


(snip)


"This is chilling information. These people – Dominionists – are full of hate and anger – convinced that this is justified by their twisted version of theology. And this is why we work so very hard to discuss the dangers of Dominionism. We understand how volatile these people are and how entitled they view themselves as God’s “chosen”. The rest of us are expendable…."

MORE:
http://godsownparty.com/blog/2011/07/norwegian-dominionist-slaughters-innocents/

[aquart]

1. We got a few of them here, don't we?

[PDJane]

3. Yes. And some oft them are in positions of power.

Michelle Bachmann, Senator Jim DeMint, Ken Buck, Rick Perry...don't forget the members of "The Family." There's also Doug Coe and Edwin Meese.

Not to mention the failures; Chritine O'Donnell, Sharon Angle, Sarah Palin...the list goes on.

[snagglepuss]

2. That has got to be one of the dumbest site's I've seen. Since when does

being confirmed at 15 make one a dominionist? I would love to know if he is a dominionist but I seen nothing so far to suggest that. From what I have seen the only reason that he is being touted as a fundamentalist Christian is that he posts on their web sites but I've seen nothing so far about his being a member of any Church.

The one thing we know for certain that the main target of his hatred are socialists as these are the people he targetted.

[katanalori]

4. I think you misinterpreted that sentence.........

"Apparently he went through confirmation at 15, which indicates he converted to a Dominionist church from a mainline Christian one…"

The author is pointing out that he WAS a mainline Christian(i.e. the "confirmation") - but that he later converted into fundamentalism/dominionism.

[snagglepuss]

6. You right however the statement that he is a dominionist convert is totally

unsubstantiated. Without any links it looks like people are pulling this stuff out of thin air.

[The Doctor.]

7. "If it walks like a duck...

quacks like a duck, swims like a duck, flies like a duck, fucks like a duck, and tastes like a duck; it's a goddamned duck."

[snagglepuss]

8. That is baloney. This is not Through a Looking Glass. Words mean something

rather than meaning whatever you want them to mean. Dominionism is not just another term for far right wacko. If you have links to statements he's made that indicate he is a Dominionist please post them.

[The Doctor.]

9. Right, just like hating people for the color of their skin doesn't make someone 'racist'.

:eyes:

He believes what they believe, he acts like they would,He wants what they want.

Are you just determined to call a rose a cheese log?

I honestly don't know what this guy calls himself, but it doesn't make one fucking ounce of difference if he believes the same damn things that dominionists do.

[snagglepuss]

10. Please cite where he states that he wants a theocratic government in Norway.

[The Doctor.]

14. Right after you cite where Michelle Bachman states that she likes plaid.

Because both are fucking irrelevant to their mutual objectives.

I get it, you refuse to believe that this guy acted on Christian Fundamentalist beliefs despite all evidence to the contrary. You've decided that you'd rather pick nits than acknowledge that this guy is a Christian fundie.

Live in that delusion as much as you want to. As if no proof that he's a Dominionist somehow means he's a fucking Quaker or Muslim.

Deny he's just like them if you want. That doesn't change the reality.

You want to pretend that Christian terrorists don't exist, fine. Don't try to fool yourself with semantics though.

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[The Doctor.]

17. I beg your pardon?

That's out of line considering that I've made a simple point that is supported by the facts at hand.

That you have resorted to that kind of insult only tells me I've hit a little too close to the mark for you.

I'll make this very, very simple;

"Do you deny that this asshole acted on Christian Fundamentalist beliefs/motives?"

It's a 'yes/no' question, so it should help clear things up a bit.

[snagglepuss]

19. All that has been reported is that he has posted on fundie Christian web sites.

I haven't read anything about his attending any church or writing anything that indicates he is anything but a nominal Christian. If there is information showing that he is consumed by religion I'd love to read it.

[freshwest]

5. Dominionists are a problem, though. Anything that says you have the right to slaughter is wrong.

That goes for everyone.

[Kievan Rus]

11. I have yet to see anything that says he's a Dominionist

He's clearly a right-wing extremist, but there's nothing so far to indicate that he's a Dominionist.

This is a problem that tends to arise on DU every time there's a tragedy like this; people jump to rapid conclusions with why something happened. It most notably happened after Representative Giffords was shot in Arizona and everybody was blaming Sarah Palin's crosshairs map, when in fact Jared Loughner either never even saw the map, or was not influenced by it. Another time was the Census worker that was hung in rural Kentucky when some people blamed Teabaggers, the Pittsburgh gym shooting when some posters said it was a Teabagger misogynist run amok, and even the failed Times Square bomb plot when some said they thought somebody on the extreme right was responsible.

Freepers have a tendency to immediately blame everybody they don't like every time something like this happens; by doing the same thing, we're not really any better than they are.

[The Doctor.]

18. Must be nice to be omniscient.

How else could you know so much?

It's a 'fact' that Loughner never saw or was influenced by the map? Wow, that's pretty impressive.

[BeFree]

12. Nazi?

There I said it. He sure seems like a nazi.

[Faryn Balyncd]

13. In 2009 he posted that he believed the Protestant Church should convert "back to the Catholic"

A perusal of the Google translation of his internet posts does not seem to indicate that he is a fundamentalist of the evangelical variety, but rather a preoccupation with what Google translates as "kulturmarxisme / multiculturalism" more than religion.

He does describe himself as a Protestant who "votes for the most conservative candidate in church elections", but he also stated the following:

2009-12-09 17:14:41
Jeg er tilhenger av en indirekte kollektiv konvertering fra den protestantiske kirke tilbake til den katolske. I am a supporter of an indirect collective conversion of the Protestant church back to the Catholic.


It would appear from many of his posts that he is preoccupied with Islamization, multiculturalism, and European/Norwegian/Christian cultural identity.


Perhaps he has other writings which show more religious interest.


Here is a link to the Google translation of at least some of his internet posts:

http://translate.google.com/translate?js=n&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&layout=2&eotf=1&sl=no&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.document.no%2Fanders-behring-breivik%2F

[CleanGreenFuture]

16. Sounds exactly like the right wing in this country.