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woo me with science (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-22-11 08:39 PM Original message |
What a fucking debacle this has been. And, no, we don't have a victory. |
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Fumesucker (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-22-11 08:41 PM Response to Original message |
1. And now the wingers are already attacking him for proposing SS/Medicare/aid cuts.. n/t |
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emulatorloo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-22-11 08:49 PM Response to Reply #1 |
10. Who gives a fuck. They are disingenuous FUCKHEADS who want to turn Medicare into a voucher program |
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Fumesucker (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-22-11 08:52 PM Response to Reply #10 |
18. Why give them ammunition? |
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emulatorloo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-22-11 08:58 PM Response to Reply #18 |
24. Doesn't matter. The FuckHeads always find something to lie about |
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woo me with science (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-22-11 09:07 PM Response to Reply #24 |
32. Oh, it matters. |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-22-11 09:47 PM Response to Reply #32 |
94. Deleted message |
booley (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-23-11 04:46 PM Response to Reply #24 |
187. fuck heads may always lie |
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Capitalocracy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-22-11 09:28 PM Response to Reply #10 |
62. Here's who gives a fuck: possibly enough of the population to swing an election. |
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emulatorloo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-22-11 09:50 PM Response to Reply #62 |
96. So they will vote for the side with the Ryan Plan? |
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Capitalocracy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-22-11 10:33 PM Response to Reply #96 |
111. Yep, that's exactly what they'll do, a lot of them. The gullible ones. |
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JDPriestly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-23-11 03:46 PM Response to Reply #111 |
165. I met a woman today who thought that Obama was the first |
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ZombieHorde (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-23-11 01:09 PM Response to Reply #10 |
131. I give a fuck because it fills voter's heads with false information. nt |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-23-11 03:19 PM Response to Reply #131 |
147. Exactly ... Obama is giving support to RW trickle down economics ... !! |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-23-11 03:21 PM Response to Reply #10 |
148. DEBT debate is intended to hide the discussion of UNEMPLOYMENT IN AMERICA ...!! |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-23-11 03:16 PM Response to Reply #1 |
145. Ohh..... too sadly funny -- !!! |
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JVS (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-23-11 03:34 PM Response to Reply #1 |
158. They have the chess skills |
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JDPriestly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-23-11 03:36 PM Response to Reply #1 |
160. Obama should have been a smarter negotiator. |
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Bluenorthwest (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-23-11 04:48 PM Response to Reply #160 |
188. He is no Swifty Lazar, that's for sure.... |
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Jackpine Radical (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-23-11 07:01 PM Response to Reply #160 |
202. He messed up nothing. |
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mmonk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-22-11 08:43 PM Response to Original message |
2. There are no victories in Republican style budget cuts in a down economy |
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woo me with science (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-22-11 09:09 PM Response to Reply #2 |
34. That's the crux of the matter. Three hundred economists warned against this crap. |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-23-11 03:25 PM Response to Reply #34 |
153. Agree re the "much larger agenda being carried out here" .... Obama has to go -- !! |
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hulka38 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-23-11 04:14 PM Response to Reply #34 |
183. That's the big picture. |
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Joe the Revelator (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-22-11 08:43 PM Response to Original message |
3. False alarm guys! The sky is STILL falling! |
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The Big Vetolski (436 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-22-11 08:51 PM Response to Reply #3 |
13. Are you even capable of looking at anything from a perspective of |
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Joe the Revelator (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-22-11 08:52 PM Response to Reply #13 |
15. Rephrase your question. |
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The Big Vetolski (436 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-22-11 09:31 PM Response to Reply #15 |
70. OK. Do you see anything going on politically outside the context |
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Joe the Revelator (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-22-11 10:03 PM Response to Reply #70 |
98. No that works, i get what you're saying, and the answer is yes, of course I do...I also still trust |
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The Big Vetolski (436 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-23-11 11:33 AM Response to Reply #98 |
126. Well, that's fair. The difference between you and I is that I have |
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woo me with science (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-22-11 09:10 PM Response to Reply #13 |
35. The lack of empathy is stunning. |
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The Big Vetolski (436 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-22-11 09:29 PM Response to Reply #35 |
64. Isn't it? Thank you for the dose of sanity. nt |
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Joe the Revelator (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-22-11 10:04 PM Response to Reply #35 |
100. This cliche is so played out....everything is not falling apart... |
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liberation (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-23-11 01:45 PM Response to Reply #35 |
134. Why are you surprised? |
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stockholmer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-23-11 02:41 PM Response to Reply #35 |
139. thank you for your contributions |
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lunatica (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-22-11 08:45 PM Response to Original message |
4. Since he doen't have the votes to pass anything what you want is a dictator |
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freshwest (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-22-11 08:47 PM Response to Reply #4 |
5. +1. So much easier that way. The GOP would love it, too. |
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Luminous Animal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-22-11 08:48 PM Response to Reply #4 |
9. No. What we want is for the most powerful man in the world to make a case for the powerless. |
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emulatorloo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-22-11 09:00 PM Response to Reply #9 |
26. He made it today at the press conference |
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Marr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-22-11 10:41 PM Response to Reply #26 |
113. That is boilerplate political speak. |
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lunatica (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-22-11 09:28 PM Response to Reply #9 |
63. What you want is a dictator who you think will love the people |
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treestar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-23-11 03:21 PM Response to Reply #9 |
149. Most powerful man in the world |
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fivepennies (419 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-22-11 08:49 PM Response to Reply #4 |
12. Why would we need a dictator? |
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lunatica (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-22-11 09:30 PM Response to Reply #12 |
67. wow. |
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fivepennies (419 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-22-11 09:46 PM Response to Reply #67 |
93. Simplicity. |
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JDPriestly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-23-11 03:53 PM Response to Reply #12 |
170. Just as a little sideline. Remember how the Hunt brothers |
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fivepennies (419 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-23-11 05:31 PM Response to Reply #170 |
196. Yes, I remember the Hunt brothers |
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woo me with science (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-22-11 08:52 PM Response to Reply #4 |
17. How utterly pathetic when your strongest argument is for impotence, |
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ProSense (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-22-11 08:56 PM Response to Reply #17 |
21. Here |
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woo me with science (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-22-11 09:04 PM Response to Reply #21 |
30. He offered SS and Medicare, against the wishes of a majority of Americans, |
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ProSense (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-22-11 09:18 PM Response to Reply #30 |
44. Oh bullfuckingshit |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-22-11 09:24 PM Response to Reply #44 |
55. Of course they have the advantage, he's been validating their premise |
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ProSense (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-22-11 09:25 PM Response to Reply #55 |
58. Oh noes! |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-22-11 09:27 PM Response to Reply #58 |
61. His premise, too now. Congratulations. n /t |
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ProSense (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-22-11 09:31 PM Response to Reply #61 |
72. We're doomed. Congrats! n/t |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-23-11 03:30 PM Response to Reply #55 |
155. Couldn't we imagine W with Prez and Senate, bowing to Pelosi demands this way ... ???!!! |
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woo me with science (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-22-11 09:25 PM Response to Reply #44 |
57. "...the constant idiotic spin to claim Republicans have an advantage." |
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ProSense (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-22-11 09:35 PM Response to Reply #57 |
82. "And you claim Republicans don't have an ADVANTAGE?????" |
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woo me with science (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-22-11 09:58 PM Response to Reply #82 |
97. Strangely enough, that's the narrative you *and* Boehner have been pushing. |
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ProSense (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-22-11 10:11 PM Response to Reply #97 |
103. Somehow |
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woo me with science (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-22-11 11:11 PM Response to Reply #103 |
119. You know, Prosense, |
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JDPriestly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-23-11 04:04 PM Response to Reply #103 |
178. The Make It in America effort needs much more press. |
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JDPriestly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-23-11 03:59 PM Response to Reply #82 |
174. Please see my post above. |
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Hawkowl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-23-11 04:58 PM Response to Reply #82 |
190. Social Security is NOT AN ENTITLEMENT program |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-23-11 03:36 PM Response to Reply #57 |
159. Unfortunately, the ADVANTAGE they have is Obama who is working |
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swilton (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-23-11 05:13 PM Response to Reply #57 |
193. the mortgage tax deduction is also on the table according to |
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Recursion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-23-11 02:45 PM Response to Reply #17 |
141. Well, once those people VOTE FOR CONGRESSPEOPLE who will do what they want... |
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inna (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-22-11 10:47 PM Response to Reply #4 |
114. wha?? ffs |
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ProSense (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-22-11 08:47 PM Response to Original message |
6. It was a |
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KittyWampus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-22-11 08:47 PM Response to Original message |
7. Obama took the fight to the Republican playing field. It leaves him in a position of |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-22-11 08:53 PM Response to Reply #7 |
19. Offering your enemy everything they want in their own terms |
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chalky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-22-11 09:11 PM Response to Reply #19 |
36. I'm sorry, but if they got "everything they want on their own terms" |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-22-11 09:17 PM Response to Reply #36 |
43. Because they don't want a deal, apparently. And lucky for us. n /t |
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Middle finga (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-23-11 03:26 PM Response to Reply #43 |
154. I agree, I'm glad they walked away from this shitty deal. |
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Supersedeas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-23-11 11:32 PM Response to Reply #43 |
207. They backed away in an effort to get maybe just a little tinsy bit more |
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hay rick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-22-11 09:21 PM Response to Reply #19 |
50. Surrender offer "victory" explained. |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-22-11 09:22 PM Response to Reply #50 |
54. Thank you. n /t |
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woo me with science (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-22-11 09:32 PM Response to Reply #50 |
75. Good summary. nt |
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Nay (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-23-11 01:51 PM Response to Reply #50 |
135. Exactly. Obama didn't offer them absolutely EVERYTHING, so the deal |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-23-11 03:41 PM Response to Reply #50 |
162. Agree --- and where are all of our elected Democrats and Party standing against Obama's deals ...??? |
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woo me with science (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-22-11 09:12 PM Response to Reply #7 |
37. Oh please. |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-22-11 08:47 PM Response to Original message |
8. Deleted message |
ProSense (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-22-11 08:49 PM Response to Reply #8 |
11. "we are in a shitty position for his having done this" |
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woo me with science (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-22-11 09:15 PM Response to Reply #11 |
40. Oh my. |
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ProSense (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-22-11 09:21 PM Response to Reply #40 |
47. Oh |
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woo me with science (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-22-11 09:34 PM Response to Reply #47 |
79. LOL. |
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Chan790 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-22-11 10:58 PM Response to Reply #11 |
115. As my Auntie Robin says "Oh bless you, darlin'." |
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customerserviceguy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-23-11 02:43 PM Response to Reply #115 |
140. You're exactly right |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-23-11 03:42 PM Response to Reply #115 |
163. +1 -- |
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Hawkowl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-23-11 05:00 PM Response to Reply #11 |
191. I'd appreciate it |
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ProSense (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-22-11 08:52 PM Response to Reply #8 |
16. More |
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emulatorloo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-22-11 08:57 PM Response to Reply #16 |
22. I've been noticing that a lot. |
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alcibiades_mystery (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-22-11 09:48 PM Response to Reply #22 |
95. Axiom: Everything Obama does is wrong, evil, or weak |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-23-11 03:44 PM Response to Reply #22 |
164. Obama has been using his "bully pulpit" in this debate to support GOP trickle down ... |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-22-11 09:01 PM Response to Reply #16 |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-22-11 09:08 PM Response to Reply #16 |
33. Bragging about how far he was willing to cut our programs is leadership now? |
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emulatorloo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-22-11 09:13 PM Response to Reply #33 |
38. Boehner wants to turn Medicare into a voucher program |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-22-11 09:16 PM Response to Reply #38 |
41. Take your own advice. n/t |
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emulatorloo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-22-11 09:21 PM Response to Reply #41 |
48. So you believe the teabag house would vote for a revenue increase? |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-22-11 09:25 PM Response to Reply #48 |
56. What does that have to do with offering them Social Securiy and Medicare? |
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emulatorloo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-22-11 09:38 PM Response to Reply #56 |
87. An offer that would not be accepted |
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woo me with science (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-22-11 11:05 PM Response to Reply #87 |
118. Just wait, grasshopper. nt |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-23-11 03:48 PM Response to Reply #87 |
167. What's the point of it -- to show Obama's disdain for SS and Medicare? |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-23-11 03:49 PM Response to Reply #87 |
168. What's the point of Obama offering SS and Medicare ... ? More game-playing with citizens lives? |
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woo me with science (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-22-11 09:17 PM Response to Reply #38 |
42. Stop. Think. Put two and two together. |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-23-11 03:47 PM Response to Reply #33 |
166. +1 |
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peace4ever (434 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-22-11 09:30 PM Response to Reply #16 |
69. wrong - taking a 'strong' stand for CORPORATE principals will not endear him to democrats or repubs |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-22-11 08:58 PM Response to Reply #8 |
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in_cog_ni_to (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-22-11 09:02 PM Response to Reply #25 |
28. aaaah. Longtime DUers are now trolls. Nice. n/t |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-23-11 03:51 PM Response to Reply #28 |
169. If you support NEW DEAL programs, you're now a "troll" -- !!! |
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Fire1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-23-11 05:59 PM Response to Reply #28 |
198. It took awhile but they finally made it! n/t |
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emulatorloo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-22-11 09:03 PM Response to Reply #25 |
29. No, not trolls. But it does feel Like frantic "Damage Control." |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-22-11 09:06 PM Response to Reply #25 |
31. There is no moving of goal posts. Hands OFF Social Security |
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emulatorloo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-22-11 09:18 PM Response to Reply #31 |
45. So you are willing to demagog the word "cuts" and pretend it is the same as benefit cuts? |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-22-11 09:21 PM Response to Reply #45 |
49. Of course it means benefit cuts. This is not a game. |
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emulatorloo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-22-11 09:25 PM Response to Reply #49 |
59. And you know this how? Medicare was cut in '92', and it was all on the provider side |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-22-11 09:29 PM Response to Reply #59 |
65. I know this because I've read every assessment from CEPR |
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woo me with science (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-22-11 09:31 PM Response to Reply #59 |
74. The complete denial of and refusal to acknowledge Obama's own words is just Orwellian: |
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emulatorloo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-22-11 09:42 PM Response to Reply #74 |
91. And what percentage of the cuts were benefit cuts vs cuts. |
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woo me with science (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-22-11 10:05 PM Response to Reply #91 |
101. Are you still trying to claim that the President had benefits off the table? |
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emulatorloo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-22-11 10:18 PM Response to Reply #101 |
105. Find where I said that. i didn't. The point I was making: you claim cuts always equals benefit cuts |
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woo me with science (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-22-11 11:02 PM Response to Reply #105 |
116. That was a foolish and nonsensical response. |
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emulatorloo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-23-11 01:51 AM Response to Reply #116 |
122. And that was a bullying rant, which tries to divert from the fact that you are willing to lie about |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-23-11 03:54 PM Response to Reply #105 |
171. You're grasping at straws --- it's over -- Obama is over -- |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-23-11 03:15 PM Response to Reply #59 |
144. Some highlights of last week's reporting. |
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TBF (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-23-11 12:14 PM Response to Reply #45 |
127. Yes, it's what Boehner and the other baggers want - |
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Ikonoklast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-22-11 08:51 PM Response to Original message |
14. Figures. |
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gratuitous (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-22-11 08:54 PM Response to Original message |
20. Oh come on |
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bigwillq (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-22-11 08:57 PM Response to Original message |
23. K and R |
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Hydra (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-22-11 09:15 PM Response to Original message |
39. This wasn't and won't be a "victory" |
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emulatorloo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-22-11 09:19 PM Response to Reply #39 |
46. You confuse your opinion with reality. |
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bluethruandthru (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-22-11 09:22 PM Response to Original message |
51. Yep...when Obama keeps talking about social security and other "entitlements" contributing |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-23-11 03:57 PM Response to Reply #51 |
172. Agree -- the STALLING here is important however ... voting for the "lesser evil" means |
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swilton (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-23-11 05:25 PM Response to Reply #172 |
195. +++ |
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treestar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-22-11 09:22 PM Response to Original message |
52. Republican House |
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emulatorloo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-22-11 09:30 PM Response to Reply #52 |
68. Hard for some to wrap their heads around |
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woo me with science (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-22-11 09:35 PM Response to Reply #52 |
81. Yes, we must move ever rightward, |
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treestar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-22-11 09:43 PM Response to Reply #81 |
92. So get to the voters |
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woo me with science (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-22-11 10:09 PM Response to Reply #92 |
102. We sure did. |
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emulatorloo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-22-11 10:23 PM Response to Reply #102 |
108. Were you one of the ones being "outraged" and writing threads trying to depress Democratic turnout? |
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woo me with science (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-22-11 11:03 PM Response to Reply #108 |
117. "Trying to depress Democratic turnout." |
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emulatorloo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-23-11 01:48 AM Response to Reply #117 |
121. Answer the question. Yes or No. Were you writing those kinds of threads in 2010 or not? |
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Marr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-23-11 12:57 PM Response to Reply #121 |
129. I expect you would interpret any form of critical appraisal as 'an attempt to depress |
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treestar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-23-11 03:23 PM Response to Reply #129 |
150. There were plenty of threads doing that |
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treestar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-23-11 03:24 PM Response to Reply #102 |
151. You got your change then when you let Republicans win |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-23-11 04:02 PM Response to Reply #151 |
176. Repugs won because Obama betrayed nation on Health Care and Wars -- -- |
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swilton (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-23-11 05:36 PM Response to Reply #176 |
197. Watch this |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-23-11 10:08 PM Response to Reply #197 |
205. Bernie should run -- But, how about Alan Grayson, James Galbraith ... most of all ... |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-23-11 03:59 PM Response to Reply #52 |
173. As though W would have been bowing down to a House controlled by Pelosi -- ??? ROFL |
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hay rick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-22-11 09:22 PM Response to Original message |
53. K&R |
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ClarkUSA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-22-11 09:26 PM Response to Original message |
60. Boehner: "The Pres. is adamant that we cannot make fundamental changes to our entitlement programs." |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-22-11 09:31 PM Response to Reply #60 |
71. Calling a bluff in a fake crisis? (Swoon) n/t |
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ClarkUSA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-22-11 09:33 PM Response to Reply #71 |
76. "fake crisis"? That's what Republicans have said, too. That opinion is terribly uninformed. |
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peace4ever (434 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-22-11 09:35 PM Response to Reply #76 |
80. fingers in your ears |
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ClarkUSA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-22-11 09:37 PM Response to Reply #80 |
84. Anyone who thinks this is a "fake crisis" is uninformed about macroeconomics. |
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woo me with science (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-22-11 10:30 PM Response to Reply #84 |
110. Absolute and complete bullshit. |
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ClarkUSA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-22-11 11:31 PM Response to Reply #110 |
120. More empty rhetoric. How predictable. Your opinions are amusing fantasia. |
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JDPriestly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-23-11 04:19 PM Response to Reply #84 |
184. It is in a sense a manufactured crisis. |
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leveymg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-23-11 07:41 PM Response to Reply #84 |
204. Obama's solution is the crisis - the budget ceiling "crisis" is phony -- both are phony. |
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girl gone mad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-24-11 12:24 AM Response to Reply #84 |
208. It's a fake crisis and I will challenge your macroeconomic education.. |
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woo me with science (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-22-11 09:36 PM Response to Reply #76 |
83. I bow to your expertise |
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ClarkUSA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-22-11 09:39 PM Response to Reply #83 |
88. I owe you thanks for making me so familiar with them. |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-23-11 02:01 PM Response to Reply #76 |
136. Wrong. And if you want the litany of people who agree with me |
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Fire1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-23-11 06:01 PM Response to Reply #76 |
199. Republican talking point = troll. n/t |
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peace4ever (434 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-22-11 09:33 PM Response to Reply #60 |
77. but they can be cut, and thats what folks are angry about |
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ClarkUSA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-22-11 09:34 PM Response to Reply #77 |
78. So what? The numbers were part of Pres. Obama's bluff and Boehner folded. |
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woo me with science (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-22-11 09:38 PM Response to Reply #78 |
86. And he has to make the act look especially realistic by bemoaning that they did not take the deal! |
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ClarkUSA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-22-11 09:41 PM Response to Reply #86 |
90. It's called rope-a-dope to the politically uninformed, as Lawrence O'Donnell would tell you. |
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woo me with science (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-22-11 10:17 PM Response to Reply #90 |
104. Yes, I know. It's all personal. |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-22-11 10:27 PM Response to Reply #104 |
109. Deleted message |
treestar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-23-11 03:24 PM Response to Reply #60 |
152. And Boner whines that the President will not back off on raising |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-23-11 04:04 PM Response to Reply #152 |
177. Taxes on wealthy are lowest they've ever been -- !!! While OBAMA EXTENDED THE TAX CUTS FOR RICH!! |
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cherokeeprogressive (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-22-11 09:29 PM Response to Original message |
66. K + R |
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dkf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-22-11 09:41 PM Response to Reply #66 |
89. Apparently if he just wants a simple increase in the debt ceiling |
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Modern_Matthew (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-22-11 09:31 PM Response to Original message |
73. Stockholm Syndrome is a scary and frustrating mindfuck. nt |
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dionysus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-22-11 09:38 PM Response to Original message |
85. yup. it's all obama's fault. |
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Safetykitten (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-22-11 10:04 PM Response to Original message |
99. It is so not over. This is going to get so ugly, with us as the sacrifice. |
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woo me with science (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-22-11 10:19 PM Response to Reply #99 |
106. It is going to happen, absolutely. |
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Safetykitten (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-22-11 10:20 PM Response to Reply #106 |
107. So correct... |
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tomp (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-23-11 08:24 AM Response to Reply #106 |
124. i blame the obamaphiliacs. |
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libmom74 (577 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-23-11 12:45 PM Response to Reply #124 |
128. nt |
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inna (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-22-11 10:38 PM Response to Original message |
112. who are delusionals who are "proclaiming victory", lol? |
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tomp (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-23-11 08:20 AM Response to Original message |
123. the entire obama presidency is a debacle..... |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-23-11 04:06 PM Response to Reply #123 |
179. +1000% -- and any future time Obama spends in WH is a danger to anything left of party!! |
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DirkGently (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-23-11 09:44 AM Response to Original message |
125. "spewing Republican framing of the economy" Exactly. |
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Jim_Shorts (355 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-23-11 01:02 PM Response to Original message |
130. Now I get the whole debt ceiling thing |
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MissDeeds (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-23-11 01:19 PM Response to Original message |
132. Excellent post |
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JoeyT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-23-11 01:29 PM Response to Original message |
133. It was all eight dimensional chess. |
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Vattel (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-23-11 03:39 PM Response to Reply #133 |
161. Cognitive dissonance sometimes takes a while to resolve itself. |
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totodeinhere (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-23-11 02:05 PM Response to Original message |
137. Someone must stand up and take him on in the primaries and beat him. |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-23-11 04:08 PM Response to Reply #137 |
180. dupe |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-23-11 04:10 PM Response to Reply #137 |
181. Exactly -!! We should be demanding Obama RESIGN now -- !! |
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JDPriestly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-23-11 04:31 PM Response to Reply #137 |
186. totodeinhere, I am with you. |
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MissDeeds (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-23-11 05:15 PM Response to Reply #137 |
194. +1000 |
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davidwparker (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-23-11 02:39 PM Response to Original message |
138. Right. When "democrats" run to the right, it says to people |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-23-11 04:21 PM Response to Reply #138 |
185. When the party leader speaks Republican to the nation |
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OwnedByFerrets (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-23-11 02:53 PM Response to Original message |
142. Thank you |
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Marnie (706 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-23-11 03:15 PM Response to Original message |
143. Obama uses the Republican's talking points |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-23-11 03:17 PM Response to Original message |
146. Not only is Obama showing his disdain for SS/Medicare -- he's showing his support for trickle down!! |
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JDPriestly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-23-11 03:33 PM Response to Original message |
156. Agreed. Woo me with science. |
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Vattel (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-23-11 03:34 PM Response to Original message |
157. All true, but I am hoping |
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hulka38 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-23-11 04:01 PM Response to Original message |
175. FDR would view Obama as the biggest threat to his legacy |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-23-11 04:12 PM Response to Reply #175 |
182. GOP in looking for default is treasonous .... |
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patrice (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-23-11 06:36 PM Response to Original message |
200. Who said we have a victory? Maybe you're paying attention to the wrong sources, or . . . |
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freshwest (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-23-11 06:51 PM Response to Original message |
201. Obama didn't do a goalpost dance. Nordquist's having a private, pleasurable moment now. |
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Ka hrnt (235 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-23-11 07:37 PM Response to Original message |
203. Obama is embodying the spineless Democrat... |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-23-11 10:27 PM Response to Reply #203 |
206. It's not about "spinlessness" ... it's about corporate money ... |
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