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Time for change Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-03-11 10:01 AM
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“Too Big to Fail”, “Too Big to Prosecute” – What Kind of Country Permits that Kind of Nonsense?
Answer: A plutocracy – A government by the wealthy, for the wealthy.

The notion of “Too Big to Fail”, as applied to big banks in recent years, consists of the belief that we as a people can’t allow our biggest banks to fail because it would devastate our economy. That concept is used to justify multi-trillion dollar bailouts of these banks, at taxpayer expense. The fact that it is these same banks that are mainly responsible for ruining our economy is irrelevant to this line of thinking.

The idea of “Too Big to Prosecute” incorporates the same basic philosophy. It is used to justify immunity from prosecution, no matter how egregious the crimes committed by our largest financial institutions.


TOO BIG TO FAIL

A brief history of the Glass-Steagall legislation


A discussion of the concept of “Too big to fail” would be without context if it didn’t include mention of the New Deal era Glass-Steagall Act. Following the Stock Market Crash of 1929 and the beginning of the Great Depression of the 1930s (the worst depression in U.S. history) it became evident that the financial sector of our country had to be reigned in to avoid similar future occurrences. Too bad that lesson isn’t taught more in our schools – there are powerful interests in our country that would like us to forget all about it.

The origins of Glass-Steagall legislation
Paul Krugman explains the origins of our Glass-Steagall legislation in his book, “The Return of Depression Economics – and the Crisis of 2008”. Prior to the Great Depression of the 1930s, the United States had experienced periodic severe recessions and depressions, which were due largely to an unregulated financial system. Krugman explains why federal legislation was needed to remedy that problem:

Because they were supposed to engage only in low-risk activities, trusts were less regulated… than national banks. However, as the economy boomed during the first decade of the 20th century, trusts began speculating in real estate and the stock market, areas from which national banks were prohibited. Because they were less regulated than national banks, trusts were able to pay their depositors higher returns. Meanwhile, trusts took a free ride on national banks’ reputation for soundness… As a result, trusts grew rapidly… and the most severe banking crisis in history emerged in the early 1930s… precipitating a series of loan defaults followed by bank runs… There’s more or less unanimous agreement among economic historians that the banking crisis is what turned a nasty recession into the Great Depression.

The response was the creation of a system with many more safe guards. The Glass-Steagall Act separated banks into two kinds; commercial banks, which accepted deposits, and investment banks, which didn’t. Commercial banks were sharply restricted in the risks they could take; in return, they had ready access to credit from the Fed… their deposits were insured by the taxpayer. Investment banks were much less tightly regulated, but that was considered acceptable because as non-depository institutions they weren’t supposed to be subject to bank runs.

This new system protected the economy from financial crises for almost seventy years.

The repeal of Glass-Steagall
But with the deregulation craze of the Reagan years, the repeal of Glass-Steagall began. It wasn’t actually repealed during Reagan’s presidency. We had a heavily Democratic Congress at the time, and in those days that was sufficient to prevent the enactment of legislation meant to enrich the financial tycoons at the expense of the American people. So the Reagan administration simply refused to enforce Glass Steagall legislation. William Kleinknecht describes this process in his book, “The Man Who Sold the World – Ronald Reagan and the Betrayal of Main Street America”:

Reagan changed the role of government from that of watchdog to lapdog without even bothering to consult the Congress. He also gave a potent political voice to the backlash against regulations, ensuring that the movement would continue to burgeon after he left office… The Reaganites went after regulatory agencies with relish, starving them of resources and staffing them with officials committed to their destruction… The S&L mess worked out well for the new class of robber barons that emerged in the Reagan years. A small group of rich business types went on a spending spree, and the public picked up the $150 billion tab. Privatize the wealth and socialize the risk.

By the time that the Republican Party finally took over Congress, we had a Democratic president – Bill Clinton. But unfortunately, President Clinton fell under the sway of the financial sector. Consequently, in 1999 Congress passed, and Clinton signed the Financial Services Modernization Act, commonly known as the Gramm-Leach-Biley Act, which repealed Glass-Steagall. Kleinknecht describes the effects of that:

It was no surprise that the conflicts of interest and sleazy behavior that Glass-Steagall was designed to prevent quickly reappeared once the law was shelved… There were enormous sums of money to be made on Wall Street, and some of that wealth would be plowed into political campaign funds… Within two years after the repeal of Glass-Steagall, companies were inflating their earnings by billions of dollars…

This was the dawn of the George W. Bush era, when the ethos of Reaganism was once again enshrined as holy writ, so the stock market implosion of the millennium would not give rise to new banking regulation. Instead, the financial press continued to deify Greenspan, Rubin, and Reagan, and the country plunged headlong into the subprime mortgage scandal.

Nobel Prize-winning economist Joseph Stiglitz also commented on the significance of the repeal of Glass-Steagall:

Repeal changed an entire culture. Commercial banks are not supposed to be high risk ventures; they are supposed to manage other people’s money very conservatively. It is with this understanding that the government agrees to pick up the tab should they fail. Investment banks, on the other hand, have traditionally managed rich people’s money – people who can take bigger risks in order to get bigger returns. When repeal of Glass-Steagall brought investment and commercial banks together, the investment bank culture came out on top. There was a demand for the kind of returns that could be obtained only through high leverage and big risk taking.


The great bank bailouts – The epitome of socialized risk

The repeal of Glass-Steagall enabled huge banking institutions to take huge risks in a quest to make huge profits. But why was that such a big deal? The simple answer is that the banks were widely considered to be “too big to fail”. The risks taken by the most politically connected banks were taken with the firm knowledge that the U.S. government would bail them out with taxpayer money if they got into trouble.

As our more astute economists predicted, deregulation of the financial industry led to a near collapse of our national economic system and a severe financial crisis that is still with us today, several years later. But Wall Street came out of it just fine, thanks to a multi-trillion dollar taxpayer bailout.

The Paulson-Bush bailout
Robert Scheer explains, in “The Great American Stickup”, how the bailout began under President Bush’s Secretary of the Treasury, Henry Paulson, and worked for the benefit of Wall Street, especially for Goldman Sachs:

As (Treasury Secretary) Paulson moved to take over the U.S. Treasury Department he would bring with him the very same “experts’ whose financial follies had risked… Paulson used the banking crisis as a justification for quickly putting Goldman employees and alums in charge of key outposts concerning the bailout… which benefited Goldman enormously.

What we have here is a rare glimpse into the workings of the billionaires’ cub, that elite gang of perfectly legal loan sharks who in only the most egregious cases will be judged as criminals… These amoral sharks, who confiscated billions from shareholders and the 401(k) accounts of innocent victims, were rewarded handsomely, rarely needing to break the laws their lobbyists had purchased…

In September 2008 came {Paulson’s} infamous three-page, take-it-or-leave-it proposal to Congress that the government fork over $700 billion in bailout funds, and he was successful in insisting that no strings be attached in the form of punishment for CEOs, oversight or control of bonuses… Basically they gave Congress a ransom note: “We’ve got your 401(k) and if you want to see your 401(k) alive again, give us $700 billion in unmarked bills”. The threat worked, and the bailout intrusion into the ostensibly free market of a scope unprecedented in U.S. history passed by a wide margin in Congress, with few questions asked…

The Obama/Geithner plan
The bailout continued under the Obama administration. As the Obama administration was considering putting Treasury Secretary Tim Geithner’s plan into effect – which was largely a continuation of the Bush administration plan – several eminent non-corporate economists warned them and us of the consequences. They used different words, but their basic description of the Geithner plan was the same: a reverse Robin Hood scheme, conducted behind closed doors. Economists who warned us of the problem included Paul Krugman, Joseph Stiglitz, Robert Reich, Dean Baker, and James Galbraith. I’ve discussed these warnings in detail in a previous post, so here I’ll just mention what Joseph Stiglitz had to say about it:

The U.S. government plan to rid banks of toxic assets will rob American taxpayers by exposing them to too much risk and is unlikely to work as long as the economy remains weak…. The U.S. government is basically using the taxpayer to guarantee against downside risk on the value of these assets, while giving the upside, or potential profits, to private investors… Quite frankly, this amounts to robbery of the American people. I don't think it's going to work…

The magnitude of our bank bailout
One of the biggest problems with our bailout of the banks was the lack of transparency of the whole process. According to the Special Inspector General for the TARP program:

TARP largely remains a program in which taxpayers are not being told what most of the TARP recipients are doing with their money and will not be told the full details of how their money is being invested.

But that’s not the worst of it. According to Nomi Prins and Christopher Hayes, writing in The Nation:

TARP was but a small fraction (roughly 4 percent) of the full $17.5 trillion bailout and subsidization of the financial sector. The details of this total bailout are complicated, but the basic mechanisms aren’t beyond the average citizen’s grasp... Given the banks’ newfound publicly sponsored financial health, Washington has little incentive to rock the boat by proposing serious reforms….

Lack of accountability seems to be something of a theme. Despite conducting themselves recklessly, compulsively, almost sociopathically, {the banks} got a lot of money to help maintain their lifestyle and assets. But what happens when they take all that money and double down on the wrong bet? Will they be back for another helping? Why wouldn’t they be? Given everything our government has said and done so far, and the meager reform ideas on the table, it’s very likely there will be another bad bet coming from the entire industry – and with it, the vaporizing of much of the assistance doled out to avoid that very occurrence.

In other words, we spent trillions of dollars to restore financial health to the big banks, in the belief (or excuse) that it was necessary for our economy, and we received almost nothing in return – not even legislation to prevent the same thing from happening again.


TOO BIG TO PROSECUTE

Perhaps the greatest indicator of the tyranny of corporate power in America today is the approach that our criminal justice system takes towards corporate criminals. Our country is still suffering from our worst financial crisis since the Great Depression of the 1930s, which is largely the result of corporate irresponsibility and malfeasance. Yet not one of those responsible for this crisis has even been prosecuted, let alone sent to jail. To the contrary, the American taxpayers have bailed out our irresponsible financial institutions to the tune of several trillion dollars.

William Greider explains, in an article titled “How Wall Street Crooks Get out of Jail Free”:

The nation is left to face a disturbing spectacle: crime without punishment. Massive injuries were done to millions of people by reckless bankers, and vast wealth was destroyed by elaborate financial deceptions. Yet there are no culprits to be held responsible.

Former U.S. Senator Ted Kaufman put the problem in perspective:

People know that if they rob a bank they will go to jail… Bankers should know that if they rob people, they will go to jail too… At the end of the day this is a test of whether we have one justice system in this country or two. If we do not treat a Wall Street firm that defrauded investors of millions of dollars the same way we treat someone who stole $500 from a cash register, then how can we expect our citizens to have any faith in the rule of law?

Greider explains the system that is routinely used in the United States today to deal with corporate criminals, and its purported rationale:

Instead of “Old Testament justice,” federal prosecutors seek “authentic cooperation” from corporations in trouble, urging them to come forward voluntarily and reveal their illegalities. In exchange, prosecutors will offer a deal. If companies pay the fine set by the prosecutor and submit to probationary terms for good behavior… then government will defer prosecution indefinitely or even drop it entirely.

The favored argument for the more conciliatory approach was that criminal indictment may amount to a death sentence for a corporation. The fallout will destroy it, and the economy will lose valuable productive capacity. The collateral consequences are unfair to employees who lose jobs and stockholders who lose wealth.

That’s a lot of sympathy for corporations, corporate employees and stockholders. Where is the comparative sympathy for the tens of millions of other Americans who are out of work or who lost their homes?

Russell Mokhiber, longtime editor of the Corporate Crime Reporter, explains the real reason for this kid glove treatment of corporate criminals:

Over the past twenty-five years the corporate lobbies have watered down the corporate criminal justice system and starved the prosecutorial agencies. Young prosecutors dare not overstep their bounds for fear of jeopardizing the cash prize at the end of the rainbow – partnership in the big corporate defense law firms after they leave public service. The result – if there are criminal prosecutions, they now end in deferred or nonprosecution agreements instead of guilty pleas.

Greider continues:

Deferring prosecution was made standard practice by George W. Bush’s Justice Department… During Obama’s first two years, Justice deferred action on fifty-three corporate defendants… Leading lawyers dubbed deferred prosecution “the new normal for handling corporate misconduct”.

In other words, they have more money than we do, and in today’s United States, justice is for sale.


New York’s Attorney general takes on the banks

New York’s new attorney general, Eric Schneiderman, has been aggressively pursuing bank fraud connected with the housing foreclosure crisis. In today’s world that takes a lot of courage, as William Greider explains in an article on the subject:

Law-enforcement agencies, state and federal, have not undertaken a thorough investigation of the scandal… The newly elected New York AG has been obliquely warned that his inquiry could “blow up the economy,” but he ignores the scare talk…. In recent months, Schneiderman’s office has dispatched requests for records and information from seven of the biggest banks… the leading players in the housing bubble, either by originating subprime mortgages of dubious quality or by packaging the mortgage-backed securities that turned into toxic assets for unwitting investors…

In parallel with Schneiderman’s investigation, homeowners have been taking matters into their own hands – and winning in court. Greider explains:

Around the country, lawyers for homeowners have won scores of cases blocking banks from foreclosing on their clients. Courts have held that mortgages or securities were fatally flawed and therefore void. Banks filed false affidavits and unsupported documents, in effect defrauding the courts. When judges asked for backup evidence of ownership, lawyers went to the trustees and found that the mortgages and liens were not in the files. Bankers couldn’t prove they owned the homes they were seizing. Often they couldn’t even establish who owned the loans or whether borrowers were actually in default. Many documents were signed by untrained functionaries who didn’t bother to examine what they were signing…. The most prestigious financial firms abused and distorted the system in their rush to accumulate greater profit…

Greider explains why the situation is so serious:

The essential meaning was described by Damon Silvers, AFL-CIO associate general counsel… “Here’s why all this is so dangerous,” he explained. “Property law requires very precise documentation at every step in the process because the whole economy comes apart if you can’t be certain who owns what. When you buy a house, the bank insists you comply with the property-law regime, and you sign pages and pages of agreements to do so. And you can lose your home if you fail to comply. Yet in this situation the banks did not comply themselves—that’s what’s mind-boggling.” …

The legal fallout promises to produce a nightmare of litigation as indebted homeowners and defrauded investors press their arguments that the bankers’ claims are fraudulent or at least void because they do not fulfill legal requirements… In the extreme case, a deeper investigation may establish criminal liability for executives if they knowingly consented to deceiving investors, borrowers, bankruptcy courts or regulators…


Federal government siding with the financial tycoons on this issue

One of my biggest complaints about President Obama (and I have many) has been his consistent siding with the financial tycoons, to the detriment of ordinary Americans. Greider explains this phenomenon as it relates to the housing foreclosure crisis:

As facts about the banks’ ugly behavior gathered headlines, the fifty state attorneys general came together to demand reforms… The Obama administration is eager to get a settlement, fearing that state-by-state litigation will injure the banks…

Genuine relief for the mortgage scandal should help stanch the slow bleeding of failing debtors, but relief should also help the economy to recover. The operative principle should be that everyone takes a hit, with creditors as well as debtors sharing the pain. But that’s not how the Obama administration has proceeded. Government interventions have generally tried to shield banks and other creditors from swallowing the cost of their financial follies, presumably because officials think that would damage the economy.
The banker-friendly logic has not been confirmed by events. Housing prices are still falling, and more and more families are sinking under water. The housing sector, long the backbone of the national economy, remains moribund. Banks are healing but still not lending…

A major intervention in housing might… compel the banks to take a big hit – a much bigger price tag than anything now discussed… The bankers’ billions would essentially pay for a mandatory debt workout program for drowning households – reducing the principal and interest payments on mortgage debt so they can gradually recover… Banks have naturally resisted any settlement like this (so has Treasury Secretary Tim Geithner). Maybe the banks and their political cheerleaders will be softened up if Eric Schneiderman and other AGs begin to nail them with hard facts and costly legal judgments…


WHAT KIND OF COUNTRY PERMITS THIS KIND OF NONSENSE?

Much of the fraud perpetrated by the financial elites upon the American people is legal or quasi-legal, due to gaping holes in the system – holes demanded by the financial elites themselves. But they don’t shy away from outright fraud either – largely because they know that even when they get caught they will receive a slap on the hand at worst. Matt Taibbi describes how this works, in his book, Griftopia: Bubble Machines, Vampire Squids, and the Long Con That is Breaking America:

The banks had changed the rules of the game, making the deals look better than they were, setting up what was in reality a two-tiered investment system – one for bankers and insiders who knew the real numbers, and another for the lay investor…

A 2002 House Financial Services Committee report showed that in twenty-one different instances, Goldman gave top executives in companies they took public special stock offerings that in most cases were quickly sold at a huge profit… Goldman agreed to settle with New York Attorney General Eliot Spitzer, who accused Goldman, along with eleven other companies, of spinning and issuing bogus buy ratings of stocks. Here Goldman again got off easy, paying just $50 million… In return, Goldman again got to avoid formally pleading guilty to any charges, and regulators agreed to forgo charges against its chief executives, who at the time included Hank Paulson… The House Committee concluded that Goldman’s analysts had kept issuing “buy” recommendations long after the value of the stocks had fallen…

How does a bank make money selling gigantic packages of grade-D horseshit? Easy: it bets against the stuff as it’s selling it! What was truly amazing about Goldman was the sheer balls it showed during its handling of the housing business. First it had the gall to take all this hideous, completely irresponsible mortgage lending from beneath-gangster-status firms like Countrywide and sell it to pensioners and municipalities, old people for God’s sake, and pretend the whole time that it wasn’t toxic waste. But at the same time, it took short positions in the same market, in essence betting against the same crap it was selling…

Goldman announces that it will be converting from an investment bank to a bank holding company – a move that allows it access not only to $10 billion in TARP funds but to a whole galaxy of less conspicuous publicly backed funding sources… No one knows how much either bank borrows (Goldman and Morgan Stanley) from the Fed, but by the end of the year upwards of $3 trillion will have been lent out by the Fed under a series of new bailout programs – and thanks to an obscure law allowing the Fed to block most congressional audits, both the amounts and the recipients of these monies remain almost entirely secret…

I acknowledge that there is some truth to the notion that it is important for our government to take steps to prevent our financial institutions from failing. But since the onset of the Reagan administration, our government has gone way beyond that. We have systematically dismantled protections that were put in place during the New Deal era, specifically created to prevent the kind of economic disaster that we saw in the 1930s.

Predatory financial institutions lobby our government to relax regulations that have served to protect the American people against economic catastrophe. Then they take advantage of the relaxed regulations by engaging in extremely risky behavior, knowing that the American taxpayer will bail them out when they get in trouble. Then they use the bailout money, not to serve the American public who bailed them out, but to enrich themselves. In the process, they engage in highly unethical and irresponsible behavior, and even outright fraud, knowing that their transgressions will be handled with kid gloves even when caught.

The excuse that our elected representatives use to explain why they allow this type of behavior is that these financial institutions are too important to our economy to allow them to fail. And presumably they are also too important to allow to be prosecuted for their crimes or even to be regulated. Regulation, they claim, is akin to socialism!!

I’ve had enough of this nonsense. The real reasons for this type of behavior by our elected representatives are not at all what they claim. The primary reason is that they rely on these institutions for campaign contributions and other related favors. Major financial institutions in our country (as well as many other corporations) have become way too big and way too powerful. When the wealthy are allowed to engage in risky and irresponsible behavior at public expense without the risk of facing the consequences; when they are allowed to engage in criminal behavior without the risk of punishment, we should recognize that our situation is out of hand. I say, prosecute them for their crimes, to the full extent of the law, and let them fail when they have proven over and over again that they do not exist to serve a public purpose, but only for their own enrichment.

It is insanity to allow financial predators (and criminals) to screw us over time after time, bailing them out of financial difficulty and giving them immunity from prosecution on the theory that we need them to run our economy. Our elected representatives who enable this type of behavior should be voted out of office and replaced by those who will represent the American people over a small minority of wealthy interests.
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FreakinDJ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-03-11 10:04 AM
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1. The 1 that allowed Reagan to dismantel the Sheman AntiTrust laws
by executive order - not even a vote
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xchrom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-03-11 10:05 AM
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2. @ this juncture there's not a hairs breadth of difference between the government &
several different large corporate entities.

the most egregious right now are the banks & financial institutions -- but on another day it's big oil or the large military contractors.
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polichick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-03-11 10:07 AM
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3. K&R Great post - thanks! The saddest part imo is how "our" party...
...has helped Republicans pull this all off.
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MissDeeds Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-03-11 04:58 PM
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38. +1
Sadly, I agree.
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tomp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-04-11 09:34 AM
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65. neither party is "our" party...
....and really never has been. this is the key point to progress. the more who get it, the closer we are to a solution.
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polichick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-04-11 10:24 AM
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74. I agree - that's why I put the word OUR in quotes. The good news is that more and more...
...people are beginning to accept that there is no peoples' party - yet.
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Nay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-03-11 10:10 AM
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4. A country that is entirely corrupt, that's what kind. nt
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tomp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-04-11 09:34 AM
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66. a fascist country. Happy 4th! nt
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Rosa Luxemburg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-03-11 10:16 AM
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5. Bookmarked, thank you!
I've been looking for a summary of this. I feel like copying it and distributing it to everyone in our town so that they know the truth.
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Tippy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-03-11 10:25 AM
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6. K&R
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banned from Kos Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-03-11 10:25 AM
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7. the pertinent part of G-S that was repealed only allowed Citi to grow larger
It had no effect on stand-alone Investment banks who failed (Bear, Lehman, Merrill) - they had no Federally insured deposits to protect.

Also, WaMu, Countrywide and other mortgage banks had no Investment banks - again G-S would not have saved them.

If, LIKE CANADA, we had a properly regulated MORTGAGE loan process, we would have been fine! Hopefully, Warren and the CPFB will help us go in that direction.
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azul Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-03-11 11:22 AM
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11. Investment banks were merging with commercial to gain protection
from liability and failure as fast as they could. The crisis was a shake-out and merger opportunity to make the remaining banks even bigger and more powerful. Look at the profits for the survivors for the past couple of years, during the severe recession that their actions had precipitated. Bonuses everyone.

Banned from KOS? Welcome to DU.
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banned from Kos Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-03-11 11:46 AM
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13. thanks. yeah - the big public I-bank model died in 2008
with the failures of Lehman, Bear, and Merrill. As you note the latter two were shotgun married to JPM/BAC to stave off broader collapse.

The good thing is that the remaining two, MS and GS, have been forced into a stronger regulatory atmosphere as a result. (btw - bonuses were prevented while under TARP
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orpupilofnature57 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-03-11 10:33 AM
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8. The New York Daily News Jan. 1 1980 headlines read " Carter say's Less for 80's "
Edited on Sun Jul-03-11 10:35 AM by orpupilofnature57
And to avoid the painful truths ,We allowed Casuistries and causalities to victimize our common wellbeing to fuel the 7%.
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The Big Vetolski Donating Member (436 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-03-11 10:52 AM
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9. Two systems of justice are very dangerous. Thank you for this very
informative post that so accurately shows just how we now have two systems of justice in this country. Public servants are rewarded for private service that harms the American people as a whole. There's a word for that: Treason. There's a penalty for treason: Death. If government officials do nothing to prevent the self-styled Masters of the Universe from robbing its citizens, and in fact aid them in their efforts to do so, then those government officials are guilty of treason. The real danger comes from what logically follows--if the government will do nothing to correct the malfeasance of its own officials, then sooner or later the people will decide that they need another government that will. Then times get very interesting very quickly.

For a glimpse into our probable future, look at what's going on in the streets of Greek and British cities right now.
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Kaleko Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-03-11 12:12 PM
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15. A fine summary.
Welcome to DU, Vetolski.
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Divernan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-03-11 08:04 PM
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49. Welcome to DU - like your handle
The Dude Abides - words to live by, or at least survive by.
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The Big Vetolski Donating Member (436 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-03-11 10:17 PM
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54. Thanks, Dude! nt
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tomp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-04-11 09:38 AM
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67. self-delete, wrong spot.
Edited on Mon Jul-04-11 09:39 AM by tomp
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azul Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-03-11 11:11 AM
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10. A country at the mercy of corporate power.
The corporations say to the people, "it's the economy, stupid", and enough people believe both of those premises to permit the fraud to continue.

About the only ways out of this developing nightmare that I can see is a constitutional amendment to state that corporations have no rights as corporate persons, or for cities or counties or states to kill or ban corporations that are doing harm to people or the environment.

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Zax2me Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-04-11 09:44 AM
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69. The corporations say to the people, "it's the economy, stupid"?
Seems I've heard several politicians say as much....
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WillyT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-03-11 11:23 AM
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12. HUGE K & R !!!
:kick:
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dkf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-03-11 12:11 PM
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14. It's the one that wasn't watching who allowed us to be vulnerable to a systemic failure
The regulators abdicated their responsibilities.
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bvar22 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-03-11 01:50 PM
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24. The "regulators" ...
...have also been systematically defunded, de-staffed, marginalized, and corrupted by revolving door management and crony appointments by both parties over the last 30 years.
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dkf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-03-11 03:30 PM
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32. You got it.
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JDPriestly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-03-11 07:56 PM
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48. But Obama still isn't regulating them nearly well enough.
And because Obama has not prosecuted that behavior that was criminal (and there was quite a bit of it starting at the level of the mortgage brokers and companies and working on up into the banks), it's now his responsibility.
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Doctor_J Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-03-11 12:14 PM
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16. A fascist one
to be simply put
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Enthusiast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-03-11 12:16 PM
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17. K&R! Great job!
"I’ve had enough of this nonsense."

Me too.
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leveymg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-03-11 12:23 PM
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18. KNR.
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Eddie Haskell Donating Member (817 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-03-11 12:31 PM
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19. Don't forget BP, their reckless behavior killed 11 men.
No one's even been charged.
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Overseas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-03-11 12:40 PM
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20. K&R. I'm still flabbergasted on how extreme the destruction has become.
I thought my friends who claimed that multinational corporations would push to turn the USA into a low-wage third world economy were exaggerating.

I thought the pendulum would already be swinging back to the demand side economics that worked so much better for us.

I think lots of moderate Republicans thought the same, and that's why they voted for President Obama. He seemed like a reasonable Democrat who would re-balance our economy and close the gap between ultra-rich and the rest of us.

We expected much bigger stimulus packages for the 90% of us left behind in the supply-side decades. Moderate Republicans had seen our bridges and levies collapse too. Massive infrastructure repair programs wouldn't be "make-work," spending for spending's sake, but were vitally necessary.

We've done some of those things but need to do far more. We also need to incorporate climate destabilization into our national security planning. Greening our infrastructure will improve our national security greatly. Millions of us were looking forward to doing that-- positive work to offset the depression of the Bush Crash.

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Time for change Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-04-11 10:19 AM
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73. They can afford to be extreme because they know that the corporate owned communications media
will protect them. And the wealth balance in this country is so out of whack that between the corporate media and their ability to "influence" our elected representatives with their money, they can get away with things we would have never believed possible prior to the Reagan era.
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Overseas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-04-11 05:02 PM
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77. So true. So sad.
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fivepennies Donating Member (419 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-03-11 12:46 PM
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21. I suspect moving corporate crime away from criminal courts
and into administrative courts is the main culprit, resulting in the slap on wrist fines that invariably go to government rather than dealing out justice to the actual victims. Information about these court's function and failures is hard to come by, but they certainly don't seem to be doing us any good.
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applegrove Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-03-11 12:55 PM
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22. Plus deregulation of the banking industry worlwide means there will be only a few
big guys left in the world in 50 years and many small banks. The huge and the small banks don't compete with each other. The small banks to local banking. The big banks international stuff. The mid sized corporations get wiped out when any industry is deregulated. So the race is on amongst big bank to see who will rule the world right now. If the American government had let the big american banks fail then the USA would have been out of the worldwide banking industry.... forever. How could Obama or anyone else let that happen? The big banks will be bailed out again if they f*** up.
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begin_within Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-03-11 01:16 PM
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23. It's a plutocracy.
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Liberal In Texas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-03-11 01:58 PM
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25. We have government by bribery.
Until that stops, the uber-rich will have anything they want. That includes any laws passed to benefit them and enough politicians and judges in power to suit their purposes.

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bvar22 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-03-11 02:04 PM
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26. Too Big to Fail is now the Holy Grail of Corporations.
Paulson with Co-Conspirators

Now THIS is "Bi-Partisanship".
Better get used to it!
Hahahahahahahaha!


It was remarkable how Blazingly Fast Congress could get our $Billions
into the pockets of the already Very Rich & Connected.
It took them less than a week,
putting to rest the old myth that
"it takes a lot of time to get something done in Washington."

The Great Wall Street Heist was perfectly timed to occur during the transition of
the White House from the Republicans to The Democrats,
lending plausible deniability to both parties,
but THAT was All just a BIG Coincidence.

"Thank Gawd it Passed.
"They SAVED the World!"






Who will STAND and FIGHT for THIS American Majority?
You will know them by their WORKS,
not by their rhetoric.



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Fuddnik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-03-11 02:12 PM
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27. Democracy Incorporated: Managed Democracy and the specter of inverted totalitarianism.
An excellent book I'm reading now, that should open a few eyes.

And it was pretty cheap on my Nook.


http://www.amazon.com/Democracy-Incorporated-Managed-Inverted-Totalitarianism/dp/0691135665
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andym Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-03-11 02:41 PM
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28. Ironic that the federal government isn't too big to fail
at least according to the GOP and their plans for defaulting on the US debt by not raising the debt limit.
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rpannier Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-03-11 02:42 PM
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29. K&R
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davidwparker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-03-11 02:47 PM
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30. Who here thinks too big to fail is a problem, yet has not
moved their money to a local credit union or to a local bank?

Move your money out of them.
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AsahinaKimi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-03-11 02:56 PM
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31. We once were a country of laws... now the law only applies to anyone
who is not rich. Some of those who have committed crimes will never ever make it to court. Their situation was taken "off the table." Our principles no longer exist. Even on the Supreme court.. Its all about flashing the cash. Corruption is everywhere.
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Lorien Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-03-11 03:30 PM
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33. Indeed. This has long been the case within the Italian government, which is why
Italy's citizens have been rated among the "least happy" in the EU for decades now. Corruption is a tough thing to break once it takes hold. What will it take

1). Abolishing corporate 'citizenship"

2) True campaign finance reform

3) Election reform

4) Restoring the Fairness Doctrine

Until WE believe that these things CAN and MUST be done, we'll keep having this same conversation for decades to come.
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a2liberal Donating Member (381 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-03-11 04:40 PM
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36. Not quite
While I agree with the general feeling of your post, I don't think it's just being rich that gets you off the hook. You also have to "donate" to the right people/have the right connections. They don't like people who try to get away with making their money without the proper contributions/payoffs to "the system". See for example Madoff (who admittedly deserved it) or Martha Stewart (whose prosecution was IMO just a ridiculous sideshow meant to distract people from the REAL Wall Street criminals).
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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-03-11 07:06 PM
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43. OR...we "THOUGHT" were a COUNTRY OF LAWS..and revelations have proved
Edited on Sun Jul-03-11 07:07 PM by KoKo
that.......we were deceived about that minor point in "Laws of the LAND!"

It's disgusting...
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certainot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-03-11 03:52 PM
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34. same kind that gives 1000 coordinated pro-corporate radio stations a free speech free ride
that radio megaphone has been instrumental in all deregulation the last 20 years and preventing re regulation.

it keeps the GOP in lock step, gets the shills and idiots through the primaries, swiftboats the progressives, creates made-to-order pro-corporate constituencies for any occasion, intimidates the blue dogs, makes the excuses, distorts, and creates the myths and alternate reality that enable the media and politicians to keep this crap up.

and the left has NO organized opposition to it.
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Dawson Leery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-03-11 03:59 PM
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35. The Greek people have wised up.
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bluesbassman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-03-11 04:44 PM
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37. Great post. On the plus side, Lee Farkas of Taylor Bean & Whitaker was sentenced to 30 years.
Edited on Sun Jul-03-11 04:55 PM by bluesbassman
One of the most egregious of the big mortgage companies. Too bad it appears that Angelo Mozilo of Countrywide only has to pay a fine and will never see the inside of a jail cell.

Full article:
http://www.dsnews.com/articles/taylor-bean-whitaker-ceo-sentenced-to-30-years-in-prison-2011-06-30

Spelling edit - bbm
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russspeakeasy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-03-11 05:44 PM
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39. Thanks for the great post.
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RagAss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-03-11 05:49 PM
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40. A criminal enterprise...that's what kind.
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Jakes Progress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-03-11 06:22 PM
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41. A country run by neocons and NeoDems.
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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-03-11 07:05 PM
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42. a ..."Something Wicked Comes this WAY"...kind of country...
perhaps?
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Grrrfun Donating Member (44 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-03-11 07:08 PM
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44. A dying country, that's what kind....



Clinton began the dismantling of the Democratic party from within, president Cave will finish it.
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hay rick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-03-11 07:31 PM
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45. K&R
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StarburstClock Donating Member (583 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-03-11 07:39 PM
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46. Rec'd, I suggest anyone who thinks TARP was the problem needs to read this
Especially the bunch of partisan asshats who regularly assault people who tell the truth.
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radhika Donating Member (563 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-03-11 07:43 PM
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47. Compared to The People .....who as we all know are
Too small to give a flying s**t about .....
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Avalux Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-03-11 08:09 PM
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50. K&R. Move to Amend:
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guruoo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-03-11 09:52 PM
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51. knr nt
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Solly Mack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-03-11 09:52 PM
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52. K&R
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Cali_Democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-03-11 10:12 PM
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53. I love reading posts like this on DU
A wealth of information.

K&R
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valerief Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-03-11 10:59 PM
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55. I know, I know! Fascists states! nt
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-03-11 11:47 PM
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56. Unregulated capitalism is merely organized crime -- that's where we are now ...
government under control of criminals --
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donheld Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-04-11 12:37 AM
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57. And yet I'm told I'm suppose to be a proud american
How the hell is one suppose to be a proud american with this shit is going on?
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Quantess Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-04-11 03:23 AM
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58. I suppose you can be proud to be American for a day.
It wasn't YOUR fault what happened.
But yes, this shit is kind of embarrassing.
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Eddie Haskell Donating Member (817 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-04-11 10:12 AM
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71. Watching a fireworks display on the DU is beautiful and patriotic.
:patriot:
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democrank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-04-11 04:35 AM
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59. K & R
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kentuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-04-11 06:20 AM
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60. Too Big To Even Investigate
This is a great failing of the Obama Administration, unfortunately. Of course, they would have to investigate themselves.
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Dept of Beer Donating Member (957 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-04-11 09:51 AM
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70. That's off the table.

A little quid pro quo on the part of both parties?
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Eddie Haskell Donating Member (817 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-04-11 10:19 AM
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72. It's not Obama, it's the system.
The system is rigged, elections are fixed, how can we use the system to change the system?
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me b zola Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-04-11 06:55 AM
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61. Bookmarked for reading tomorrow
I so appreciate all of your threads and look forward to fully reading this one after I get some sleep.
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Tuesday Afternoon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-04-11 08:41 AM
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62. k&r and bkmrkd. n/t
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somone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-04-11 08:46 AM
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63. The Orwellian bullshit proceeds apace
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potone Donating Member (359 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-04-11 09:10 AM
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64. Thank you for taking the time and making the effort to explain this.
The question now is, what can we do about it? Most people have only the foggiest idea of how we got into this mess, and when Democratic politicians are part of the problem and only address their constituents' concerns at election time, it is very difficult to see how this situation can be changed. I feel so discouraged.
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Time for change Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-04-11 10:26 AM
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75. I believe that the root problem is that it is LEGAL in our country to give huge sums of money to
politicians in the expectation that they will reward the favor many times over in their capacity as an elected representative of the American people. The result is that most of our elected representatives are bought and paid for by wealthy interests. Even many or most of those with a reasonable amount of integrity know that they must bow to those interests to some extent in order to have sufficient money for their campaigns to remain in office.

What to do about it? That is a terribly difficult question. As long as the American people continue to fall for the propaganda paid for with the money of the corporatocracy, that money will continue to flow to those politicians who do their bidding, and they will remain in office, continuing to screw the American. The American people need to wake up and smell the coffee. When they get to the point where they recognize propaganda for what it is, then that propaganda will become worthless, and we will elect our representatives on their merits. I don't know if that will ever happen.
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tomp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-04-11 09:40 AM
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68. as for Goldman's "sheer balls"....
....I would submit that it doesn't take a lot of courage to do things when you know you won't go to jail and will get financially bailed out.

this is the way it works: bases are covered IN ADVANCE....because GOLDMAN rules.
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Time for change Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-04-11 10:29 AM
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76. Exactly
That was perhaps an unfortunate choice of words by Taibbi, but he certainly didn't mean them in a complimentary way.
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Demeter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-04-11 08:11 PM
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78. Kick, 'cause it's too late to rec
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bertman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-04-11 10:21 PM
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79. BIG KICK. Excellent post, Time for change. nt
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