I hope you all don't mind a little rant to get off my chest.

[IrishEyes]

Dear Employers,

I understand that times are tough for everyone. You may be wondering why you are having trouble filling a position when there are so many unemployed people out there. I just want you to consider a few things.

It is in your best interest to offer a decent wage. People need to be paid a living wage. Please stop trying to offer executive assistant jobs for $10 an hour. Are you aware that this is New york City? It is even more insulting when you say that you require a college degree and five years experience with no health insurance and no vacation for $10 an hour. I know that you may think that the unemployed should take whatever you offer them. I'm sure it is tempting to think that it is better than nothing so I should just take the job and be happy about it. I shouldn't be greedy. The thing is that I'm not greedy. I have bills like rent, student loans and food that have to be paid. I have mouths to feed and there is only so much coupon clipping that can be done. I can't work for less money then it costs to live. If I don't get paid enough to live then I have to take another job. I've done that before for many years. That is how I paid for college. Unfortunately, many people can not work 40 hours and then another 20 - 30 a week at a part time job every week. Yes, I did that when I was younger because I wanted to save for things but now I have these little people in my home that might want to see me now and again. I'm pretty sure that you want your employees to get enough sleep so that they can do their jobs efficiently. I can't do my job as effectively if I'm always tired from working three jobs and always scared that if I get sick, the bills will overwhelm me because I have no insurance. I won't be applying for your low wage job. Neither will many other qualified, experienced, educated people. Even if you do get someone who is desperate for a job, I guarantee you they will leave as soon as the economy improves or they find a decent job.

Sincerely,

Unemployed Lady

[CaliforniaPeggy]

1. Well said, and recommended...nt

[monmouth]

2. Very well said and don't think that exec asst doesn't mean female,

she doesn't need to make as much as a man. Battled that all of my life...

[IrishEyes]

4. You're right

Yes, I forgot to mention that executive assistants don't have to be female. I also want to mention that an executive assistant is an assistant not a wife or a girlfriend. I had an interviewer once say "You are just working until you get married. Right". Two years ago, I also had a boss refer to the administrative assistants as his harem.

[classof56]

28. Oh, good grief! I'm appalled we're back to this

Years ago (about 45 to be exact) I was told by male bosses and co-workers that "girls" didn't need to make as much as "men" because we didn't need as much money. We could live at home or share apartments with 5 other "girls". There were always "guys" who stood ready to take us out to dinner so eating was no problem--never mind the strings attached. Ugh! One boss actually denied me a promotion because "I'd just get married some day". And of course once you were married, there was that inevitable question, "What are you using for birth control?" Didn't want pregnant "girls" hangin' around the office, of course. Lots of hard-fought battles have been won through the years--just sickening that today's economy brings us back to those "good old days" people talk about.

I weep!

Tired Old Cynic

[liberalmike27]

31. Not to be Mean

But one of the largest non-voting groups of people are single-females. Of course they aren't the only ones, but it just shows the saying "if you don't get into government, government will get into you," means what it says, and says what it means.

And yea, issues never seem to die anymore. It's like "Whew, glad we got that long argued for abortion thing taken care of" was said way back in 1973. And little by little, by murdering doctors, or by protestations, or any legal means possible, they've nearly brought it back. Lately you've got to get a government required guilt-sonogram, which I'm guessing isn't paid for by the government.

[Lorien]

70. Abortions are far from the only woman's issue out there

unfortunately when we bring up wage disparity many men yell "that's sexist; you're attacking white men by bringing that up as an issue!!"(not the words they use, but that's their meaning).

Poor people are the largest non-voting group, and most single women fall into that category because of...yep, you guessed it; earning 0.60 on a guy's dollar.

[eilen]

60. I was told that I didn't need a raise because I was on

"the Mommy Track" -- in the 1990s.

[Lorien]

69. I heard the same crap only 15-20 years ago

"why work when you can get married"? "We pay women less because guys need more stuff...and you can always get married."

I asked them where the well-to-do educated non-drunk non-wife beating husband store was located, and then asked them to tell me just why my father needed more "stuff" when he was jet setting around the world with his girlfriends while my mom was working six days a week to feed two kids on her own. He didn't have an answer other than "well, but that's why you should work at finding a husband now, while you're still young-so you won't have to work."

:argh: :banghead:

I didn't even get into the fact that most homes need both parents at work to support a family now; Mr. half million a year wouldn't have grasped that.

[classof56]

84. Just read your post, and can only say, again, good grief!

What is the matter with these men?? Not only do families need both parents to work to support them, but there's the fact that if women were removed from the work force, this country would collapse quicker than it already is. Sorry about your encounters with these idiots. Probably goes a long way toward explaining not only the high divorce rate but the mess our country's in. As for "find a husband now so you don't have to work"--that's the pinnacle of stupidity. What if we want to work? Or--gasp!--don't want to get married? Just boggles my old-fashioned mind!

Tired Old Cynic

[kestrel91316]

34. Not THIS shit again. JEEEEZZZZZ!!!! Somebody needs to slap these neanderthals

upside the head and remind them it ain't 1955.

[Dont call me Shirley]

49. You're right it's 1849

[kestrel91316]

50. Hell, the fundies want it to be 849.

[GrannyK]

54. Good rant OP. Back in the early 70's I was a divorced mom

of a toddler receiving no child support. I applied to small company wanting a "secretary." The woman who interviewed me asked if I had any children. I told her I had one son. The interview was over. She said she did not believe in mothers working. After I finally recovered from that bomb shell I asked her if she believed in children eating.

I've never forgotten the pinched lips and judgmental eyes of that woman. Ignor-ance can be deadly.

[riderinthestorm]

3. Not only that but it takes time to look for work.

If you are really serious, and trolling every place you can for a job - its incredibly time consuming. Daily.

You can spend 40, 60, 80 hours per week in desperation trying to make ends meet at $8 or $10/hour or you can work your hardest to find your job in your career path that actually pays you a decent salary.

If you are an architect (for example) filling your resume with "Sales Clerk at Barnes and Noble" doesn't help one bit. Yes it shows you are employed but probably isn't going to be seen a valuable or valid enough to persuade any architectural firm to hire you. You need jobs that are in your field to be seen credible, not filler that takes you away from your job search.

[KansDem]

42. "If you are an architect...filling your resume with 'Sales Clerk...' doesn't help one bit."

Actually, it will hinder it. 15 years ago I completed my PhD and began looking for teaching positions. After two years I had scores of rejection letters and two interviews, neither that panned out. I took a full-time job doing something completely out of my field. Off and on during that time I looked for positions in my field of expertise and applied when I was qualified. No luck.

The sad fact is there are too many working professionals and too few openings. And if you're not currently working in your field of study, you'll never get that job. Never.

Why would a firm hire an architect working at Barnes and Noble when it can select from a cornucopia of working architects looking for another firm?

[DesertFlower]

5. Jesus H. Christ. that's insane.

sounds like employers are taking advantage of the bad economy.

[obxhead]

30. They are.

They have us exactly where they want us. While they could make more money in a strong economy, they would also have to pay more and give more to their employees who could easily find a new job. Today they can abuse employees and still make massive profits with a lower turnover rate because it is so difficult to replace a job.

They have us EXACTLY where they want us.

[lark]

56. That's the plan and the entire plan

make them poor, pregnant and uneducated and you will have a near free work force. Any higher jobs can be filled by the rich's children or relatives, everyone else is wanted to be basically a serf.

[chrisa]

66. The one hole in that "plan."

Nobody has any money for college or trade school = an unskilled workforce that can't contribute.

No money = a stagnated economy as the populace cannot afford to go to businesses. You can't just sell to the rich - they're far and far between. The truth is, without a middle class, the entire American economy would implode.

[riderinthestorm]

77. There are other middle classes out there than the US.

As global corps dominate more and more, they aren't solely relying on a US middle class anymore for their profits.

The entire American economy may implode but a corp with its "headquarters" in the Caribbean (cough), with its corporate offices in Dubai and most of it's growing market in China and India, they can drain the US economy while the others are growing.

They don't really care in the least. They don't care about the long term sustainability of the US market, I'm convinced. They are only chasing the next dollar (or rupee, or yen, or mark or....).

[liberalmike27]

33. They Always Take Advantage

It's why they like to keep the wage-slaves being born, it's why they exported all the jobs on purpose and now say "We need to do something about this unemployment," even though it was them, and Clinton and others some democrats invovled who sent them away in the first place saying "Hey more jobs will be created than we lose." But they didn't mention that the jobs were low paying, jobs like the Barnes and Nobles one, selling books. Hey maybe you can mention you perused books on archetecture while working the counter! (ha)

I'm still amazed that this purposely created government unemployment, government created hardship, is treated as if it was a surprise. It is as direct a comparason, as unthinking a thing, you'll ever be confronted with, as to the causation of a problem. They created unemployment, by purposely allowing conditions for exportation of jobs, corporations then exported jobs, and imported people using H-B1 and H-B2 visas, and now we've got low wages, no benefits, and very few jobs, and a high unemployment rate. Christ, you don't even have to think to understand this one, it isn't hard, it's like 2+2 is 4.

Tariffs--yea I know, I know, the propaganda solid on both sides of the aisle tell you they aren't the answer, but they are, tariffs to bring jobs back, to bring the taxes and jobs back home, to bail out state, federal, and local coffers with a fresh supply of new jobs, new paychecks, and new taxes collected. It's simple. But you aren't going to hear it on the corporate media, maybe not even Al G's Current. We'll see on that one.

[customerserviceguy]

78. Who would expect them to do otherwise?

If you can find someone who will work as an executive assistant for ten bucks an hour, even if that person will leave when (and if) the economy gets better, why wouldn't most employers do it?

[gussmith]

6. Yes, agreed

My belief is that if someone can not offer a living wage, they are not an employer, they are a fraud, an exploiter of others. Their "take it or leave it" mentality does not show compassion or caring for others, just that they get what they want which is someone to do their bidding. More like food chain mentality than accredited employer.

[liberalmike27]

35. Is There More

of a glaring example of corporate ideals that they talk constantly on their news channels about the rate of taxes millionaires pay, but almost never discuss how much is enough to exist, to have any sort of life that is much different from slavery, a shack, a bed, something to create a little light to shine on a bit before you drop into bed, tired from working 18 hours?

Seriously, almost nothing on the media is true at all, and MSNBC, though left of FAUX, is certainly anything but liberal.

[Systematic Chaos]

45. Please allow me to welcome you to DU, gussmith

Well said. :)

[JDPriestly]

7. It's called competing with China and India, and it will never work,

not if we want to continue to have working sewers, electricity, heat in our homes, transportation other than bicycles, healthcare and education. If we want those basic things, we have to stop trying to compete with China (or India or other third world countries) and let them sell to themselves while we compete with and sell to ourselves.

[Capitalocracy]

19. Like I always say, when you compete with sweatshops,

even if you win, you lose.

[liberalmike27]

36. If you compete

with people who do their laundry in the river, and drink from puddles, you end up doing your laundry in the river, and drinking out of puddles in between the races to the bottom.

A lot of democrats who are secure, as one put it "Have learned to take care of themselves once grown," don't seem to get that when the pillars of society are knocked out from under, when the foundation wage group gets knocked down, gets destroyed, every wage group above suffers too. It's a lot like many in the public sector most likely have voted for republicans at some point, figuring "Hey, they can't touch me, I work for the city, state, or federal government. But you see now, no one is untouchable, and when you reduce the bottom, unless you are living in the clouds like the super-rich, the set, the made people, the grossly moneyed (OK I'll stop now), you too will fall, surely as the towers fell. When the bottom falls, we all fall.

[JDPriestly]

58. Yes. Urban sewage systems can only survive and protect the urban population

(rich and poor) from disease if every house and every person is hooked up and pays the sewage fees.

And people just have never thought what it would be like to live in an apartment building in which the toilets were not hooked up to a functioning sewage system.

Then there is the fire department -- funded by tax money. And in big cities, you can't deny service to one property because the owners did not pay their taxes. Houses or buildings are too close together. Fire spreads in no time.

So, our whole way of life is in jeopardy.

The problem is that the wealthy just have no idea how close the working people are to utter destitution.

[arakis8]

8. Livable minimum wage for all

unemployed lady, you could work for less than you need but then you'd need to be on a farm in the deep south and living in the late 1890's - early 1900's. seriously, I think that is what companies would ideally like to see: workers perpetually in debt with no choices. We as a society need to decide if we are going to be a society who care for the least of us and want equality in wages etc., and will pay every one a livable wage; or will we have a plutocracy. By the way, good luck in your job search and hope something comes up soon.

[Capitalocracy]

20. Couldn't agree more. Living wage now.

It would solve most of the economic problems in the U.S. today (and cutting military spending, single-payer health care, progressive taxation, and government job creation to fill the gaps in private sector employment would take care of the rest).

Welcome to DU. :hi:

[mahina]

41. Welcome to DU arakis8!

Nice to meet you, aloha.

[bigwillq]

75. Hello.

Welcome to DU! :hi:

[nxylas]

9. Dear Unemployed Lady

We don't care

Yours sincerely,

Capitalists
:nuke:

[RandomThoughts]

11. They don't have to care.

That is there choice, they have the right not to care.

However if they don't care, people should know they don't care.

[TBF]

13. Excellent, and furthermore it's not in their interest to care -

capitalism rewards them for lowest wages/highest profit possible. Change the system and you might see more equality.

[Pacifist Patriot]

15. Dear Capitalists

You'll care when your company goes bankrupt because your underpaid exhausted employees can't produce any goods or provide services potential customers want to buy.

Yours Sincerely,
Seen It Happen

[Capitalocracy]

21. Dear Seen It Happen

Even if we run the company into the ground, we individual executives will have sucked enough money out of it to be set for life for generations. And we'll always get another job.

We'll declare ourselves the owners of everything, burn it all down for the insurance money, and pay off anyone with the power to stop us.

Sincerely,
The Capitalists

[Pacifist Patriot]

25. *sigh* Indeed

[RedCloud]

32. Unless we the masses decide rocks are the new currency and you don't have any!

But then again that is how you play ball with us. Just change the rules to fit your winning. Would serve you right.

[Name removed]

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[midnight]

10. K&R

[Vinca]

12. Wages go down, cost of living goes up.

But your potential boss doesn't care because he's making 400 times your proposed pay.

[MrMickeysMom]

14. Ah, the want ads!

First, I don't even see my own profession (years of training, college degree, continuing education to maintain credential and updates in delivering health care in ever changing environments) in the want ads anymore...

But, I see lots of these types of positions, and the one thing I keep saying over to myself is, "How in the world is anyone going to take THAT job for THAT pay?"

Sometimes, the enticement is that they pay you "excellent benefits". Yes, I'll bet they do. And, you'll be willing to take less because of this?

After filling out all the electronic Monster dot com or newspaper related registries to "show myself" so that I can get a replacement for that second job I need cause the first one doesn't provide hours OR benefits... after all that training, just what the hell are we supposed to do?

The under-employed are with you, Unemployed Lady... grateful for the "crumbs" we have on our plate... ready to give to the "company" for even thinking of us.

[HomerRamone]

16. But the economy won't improve and they won't find a decent job

and that's how those in power like it...

[The Wizard]

17. You mean trickle down economics failed?

Thirty years of this bullshit has lowered living standards for most Americans. The wealthy elites will always be wealthy and never worry about making ends meet. They already have enough money. There is no incentive for them to create jobs here. Raise taxes on them and provide job creating loopholes in the tax code that encourages them to invest in American labor rather than sending jobs off shore to reap even greater profits.
Who pays more in taxes, the working poor or America's largest corporations?
And for you rubes out there who believe that you too will someday be among the wealthy elites, get a grip.
The economy is staggering because the gap between the wealthy elites and the working class is greater than ever.
"Money is like manure, when you spread it around it makes things grow, but when it piles up in one place it starts to stink."
(Huey Long)

[Pacifist Patriot]

18. And who could have predicted that, right?

:sarcasm:

[myrna minx]

22. K&R n/t

[mopinko]

23. it's quite insane. i have been looking for work as a freelance

graphic designer. there are actual ads on craig's list that go something like this-
looking for rockstar designer. must have excellent photoshop and illustrator skills, good web design, and competent in maya/3d modeling.
starting salary- $20k
(in chicago, and in a far out suburb with no public trans.)

i want to get a chance to explain that i am not a rockstar, but i also will not be doing lines of coke in the bathroom, nor will i demand that all the brown m&m's be removed form the 2lbs that must be in my dressing room.
honestly, there is no f'ing way they are going to find that. people with those skills make 6 figures in some markets. they are nuts. but they are out there.

[progrocktv]

26. A company I worked for did the same thing...

A post-production company offering 30k in downtown Los Angeles for a managing Video Editor position, wanted 10 years experience, no benefits, no vacation. Instead they got these inept people desperate to take anything with poor/no skills. Ended up costing the company hundreds and thousands of dollars in missed deadlines and shoddy work just to try and save a few dollars. Worst of all they lost a MAJOR contract which kept them in the black, so much for that! I'd be surprised if these guys are around this time next year.

[lunasun]

73. good to hear greed was not rewarded(in this case)

[Dept of Beer]

39. Tell them you are a rockstar then take the job and pull an Amy Weinhouse.

[mopinko]

47. dunno who that is, but i assume

it is funnier than sitting with the book on your lap all day every day. which i would have to do for a week or so.
which they better expect for that money.

[Dept of Beer]

51. I'm in the same boat. Same field.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amy_winehouse

[bobburgster]

46. Oh man, I can't believe the ad.....

20k! Christ, housekeepers make more than that. (And they should)

[fascisthunter]

53. WTF!... ONLY 20K!!!!

competent in Maya for THAT little? That's ridiculous...

[Throd]

68. That ad was written to snag younger, gullible people.

"Rockstar"? I know exactly what kind of douche wrote that want ad. They want to pay $20k for a $60k position.

[mopinko]

81. $60k is not enough for a genuine rock star.

especially if they know all three of those things. especially maya.
and everybody has to do web design these days, which truly sucks.

[Ino]

71. At least they're offering something

Half the craigslist ads for graphic designers here are looking for interns. That's right, they want to pay NOTHING.

[mopinko]

80. oh, there are plenty of those.

interns-:mad:

[Taverner]

24. This Rocks. Thank you!

[lapislzi]

27. At a meeting once, I committed the cardinal sin

We were trying six ways to next Tuesday to bring in a project under budget. It was impossible. The PTB wanted to raise the retail price of the item. This of course would make it less competitive compared to the other items like it out there, and less attractive to the consumer. We talked about eliminating "features." Less perceived value for the consumer.

Then I said it. "Why don't we take less profit?"

A stunned silence descended upon the room for a long moment before the PTB simultaneously burst out in guffaws of ridicule, outraged clucks, and tut-tuts, accompanied by frenzied finger wagging in my direction. You would think I'd suggested barbecuing babies and kittens at the company picnic.

Apparently this is Not Done. Ever. Profits are sacred.

[InkAddict]

29. Dear Unemployed Lady:

:sarcasm: ('cept in my case, it's straight from the mouth of my RW parents, so if family can be this way, what can one expect in the "nothing personal - just business arena - and a lion's arena SPECTACLE it is!
====================================================================================

You have obviously made bad choices - no one ever told you to have children and you should have made sure you were mature enough to support them before you left home and made those tiny mouths to feed regardless of the current political economic environment. If your marriage (or the finances that support it) ain't workin' out, that's not our problem; neither is feeding your kids or paying your bills. You need to be a little more devious in your relationships to get what you need. You need to be more persuasive. If you wanted a career, we were most certainly here for you in years past when we welcomed you into the workforce, but YOU and you alone probably made at least half of all those sinful, immature decisions you made, like choosing the wrong major...and we feel under no obligation to provide you individual assistance nor tax-payer paid entitlements to make sure your kids are fed, sheltered, clothed, or have other "normal" relationships in their lives...BTW, don't you realize how good you got it to have had healthy children. If you wanted to be a stay-at-home for a while, well that was your choice at the time, but there were of course consequences, especially relevant to your current career dilemas. Your tribulations now are the result of not asking Jesus for assistance directly, but you should know that we, who loved and adored your skills and energy then, always have the right to say, as we do now that your bad choices have worn you out somewhat, NO! As we have never made any mistakes in our lives or in your upbringing, we have made a decision: We don't want to speak or hear from you again until somebody dies. Here's our golden advice: Jesus loves you; consider the lillies, and don't let your right hand know what your left hand is doing. Good grief, unemployed lady, what were you thinking! Confess your prodigal sinful nature for which God is punishing you to all us right-wing blessed soldiers of Christ and should you appear naked, hungry, and without a shred of worldly possessions on the doorstep of our faith-based shelters, we will consider your petition. PS: We didn't make the rest of your brood; don't bring them with you as they have inherited your costly vileness.

Sincerely - have a nice life.
====================================================================

Some of us deal w/so much more...projection, denial, shame, guilt, abuse - all the way up the line, now directed at us, even by our own government and their elite corporate masters.

[liberalmike27]

37. I wonder when

We'll see parents dropping their children off at adoption agencies. We're already seeing familiacides.

[Dept of Beer]

38. Dear IrishEyes,

They don't care. We care, but they the employers could give a rats ass about your problems.

They won't let you know if the job is filled.

They won't let you know why you have been passed over; even when you ask for a follow up.

They don't care if you have mouths to feed, if you have no vacation time or if you don't get to see your kids at all.

They'll just sit on their piles of money and pay you shit...that is if they deign to give you a job at all, and all the while they will collect top dollar for running the company into the ground. Once they have done that a Mitt Romney type will destroy what is left, sell it off and the next thing you know your job is being done by 5 Indian workers. The money left over from that disaster will go to the guy that splits the company up.

So unless you are a worthless, gutless, uncaring lump of human excrement, with no moral compass, you have no chance to do anything except perhaps flip burgers: with a college degree or course.



The best thing that this nation can do is knock down the current structure put its boot to the neck of the corporate beast and its D.C. boot lickers while slowly applying pressure until it cries for mercy.





But I'm just kidding of course.

[DCKit]

40. Greedy, greedy, greedy.

Not to mention "needy". Jeebus, you want to eat too?

[BonnieJW]

43. when it comes to salary,

I say I'm not trying to make a killing, I'm trying to make a living.

[backtomn]

44. As someone unemployed, I agree with you.....but,

this is happening at all levels and all jobs. Plant workers in poultry and pig processing were generally paid from $14 to $16 per hour, but since immigrants (legal and illegal) were willing to work at $8 to $10 per hour, the wage scale completely changed. Scientists and engineers could achieve salaries of $70,000 to $90,000 at many companies in the past, but when they could hire immigrants from India, China, etc., the wages dropped to $50,000 to $70,000. While I am the last person to oppose legal immigration, we have to realize that jobs are only worth what people are willing to accept for them.....and this has changed. The worse things get, in these economic times......every man for himself (or every woman for herself).

Education is no guarantee of a good salary any more. We are at the mercy of many global issues. All decisions can have unintended consequences.....please try to think through all sides of an issue.

[DesertFlower]

48. just got an e-mail from my friend in new york city.

he's been unemployed for more than 2 years. he just got a paralegal job. he'll be making $24 an hour. it's 6 months temp and then permanent. i hope he doesn't get screwed. it's happened before. when the time comes to go permanent they don't do it. i think it has a lot to do with paying benefits.

[lunasun]

76. yes it does

[Deep13]

52. Submit this as a LTTE. nt

[graywarrior]

55. AND....a lot of businesses are hiring *interns* at either a stipend or credits for school

[mopinko]

59. hey you!

when did you get back in town? addiction. argh.

[graywarrior]

63. I stay under the radar most of the time.

You know...nipping.

[Lorien]

72. And then there's the "work for free to earn experience" scam

even slaves were given food, rags and a roof.

[graywarrior]

83. A bunch of non profits have caught on to the National Senior Network

that is federally funded and pays salaries for older workers. The use them to fill their needs but hardly ever hire them on full time.

[noiretextatique]

79. a lot of contract work too (tax avoidance)

i've seen more ads for 1099 work...and most of the jobs are not 1099 jobs. the irs has strict rules about the differences between contractors on employees. if someone wants to you come to their place of business and requires you to work there under their supervision: you are not a contractor.

[liberalmuse.com]

57. Recomended

This is what the minimum wage is supposed to protect us from.

[humbled_opinion]

61. Well lets see free market capitalists say...

The bean counter who decided that job was only worth $10.00 per hour already has factored in its worth to the companies bottom line. If you could force them to pay you say $20.00 per hour then the company will have to increase the costs of its goods or services and depending on how competetive a market it is they will not be able to compete and therefore will affect their bottom line putting them out of business, resulting in the subsequent loss of all the jobs at the company....

besides if you somehow got every company to agree to pay a specific wage for their jobs i.e., increase the minimum wage to a living wage, well then of course the costs of goods and services produced would increase to offset the cost of the employees, with a net result being that the wage would not be able to pace the inflation side effect of such a regulation.

and finally always remember the rich are never altruistic. I have never met a person of wealth that hasn't taken every possible tax deduction they can, this is a capitalist free market society, capitalism is rooted in desire for increased success and greed. You have never heard a successful businessman say hmmm maybe I should make less profit in my business someone pays for his profits, consumers, and employees both....

[Anakin Skywalker]

64. Dear employers, go fuck yourselves with your H1N1 workers!

[noiretextatique]

65. also...every job ad i see is asking for someone with less than 5 years experience

even the ones that pay well. and suddenly i need a cpa or an mba for the same job i've been doing without either for 15 years. there are only so many 25 year olds around employers, so consider hiring some of us who have some experience!!!!

[Major Hogwash]

67. Excellent analysis. They must think we're all numb from the neck up.

We're not going to take it anymore.

[bigwillq]

74. Good post.

:thumbsup: K and R

[Marrah_G]

82. I'm about to be unemployed

40- over weight- not very pretty.

I am a very good worker, rarely take time off, and every boss I have had thought I was an asset.

I am scared to death. The former matters more then the latter in the real world.

I am an Admin Assist- 8 years for the same company working directly for the owner. I doubt today I would get offered much more then what someone at McDonalds makes.

I'm scared. Really scared.

I'm hoping we can get the house sold and the farm bought so maybe once unemployment isn't an option I can just work the land instead.

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