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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-12-11 08:56 AM
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-15s intercept plane near US presidential retreat
-15s intercept plane near US presidential retreat

Sat Jun 11, 6:59 pm ET
WASHINGTON (AFP) – Two US F-15 fighter jets on Saturday intercepted a small civilian plane flying near Camp David, the presidential retreat where Barack Obama is spending the weekend with his family.

The North American Aerospace Defense Command (NORAD) said the jets intercepted the Beechcraft Bonanza aircraft near the Maryland retreat at around 3:25 pm (1925 GMT) and escorted it away "without incident."

"The civilian aircraft, which was out of radio communication, was intercepted approximately 11 miles from Camp David," it said in a statement.

NORAD spokeswoman Stacey Knott said the plane was intercepted out of an "abundance of caution" because it was out of radio contact, adding that it did not appear to pose any threat.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/usmilitarysecurityobama




And yet NORAD was AWOL on 9/11 and we're supposed to believe that --

Had they told us that the Russians did 9/11, we'd still be rolling on the floor laughing --



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Logical Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-12-11 08:58 AM
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1. So you are saying 9-11 was a government conspiracy? Really? n-t
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-12-11 09:16 AM
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2. Ask the primary question ....
Edited on Sun Jun-12-11 09:21 AM by defendandprotect
"Where was NORAD on 9/11" --

And if "conspiracy" is something far from your mind always, then you

are out of accord with our Department of Justice and the many crimes

they process which are based in conspiracy -- including Scooter Libby

and the outing of Valerie Plame.

Also keep in mind that our Founders discussed CONSPIRACY between a

president and a vice president and what to do in those circumstances --

i.e., "suspend the administration."

Watergate was yet another example of conspiracy by high government officials.

You might also recall how easily a private plane flew into Clinton's White House

very close to his bedroom.




Only a fool never doubts -- Shakespeare

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rfranklin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-12-11 09:19 AM
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4. I think you meant a "fool"
but I agree with you...just too many coincidences.
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-12-11 09:23 AM
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6. True --
and fixed my quote -- :)

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ProgressiveProfessor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-12-11 09:48 AM
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10. Another person who does not know how the airspace system works in the US
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-12-11 07:41 PM
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15. Actually, I thought NORAD didn't understand how the airspace system...
Edited on Sun Jun-12-11 07:42 PM by defendandprotect
was supposed to work in the US on 9/11 -- !!



:eyes:
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ProgressiveProfessor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-13-11 12:49 AM
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17. No, they did and still do
The so called journalists were not exactly cluefull then or on this story
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-13-11 08:46 AM
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23. NORAD was AWOL on 9/11 --
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ohheckyeah Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-13-11 01:57 AM
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21. I know how the system works
and I have to wonder how a plane got that close to the Pentagon. I worked in DC and planes just aren't allowed in Pentagon air space.

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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-13-11 08:52 AM
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24. Agree --
and if you understand what Minetta said in his testimony to Congress it is

clear that the Pentagon was aware of "incoming" -- and Cheney was aware of it.

Also that any "warning" systems weren't in play --

and any "defense" systems weren't in play --



Recall that when W was in Florida night before 9/11, they put anti-missile

defense on the hotel roof!





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rfranklin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-12-11 09:17 AM
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3. Occam's box cutter...
The simplest explanation is probably correct.
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Wilms Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-12-11 09:26 AM
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8. Actually, the correct explanation is what's correct, regardless of how simple or complex. n/t
The principle is often inaccurately summarized as "the simplest explanation is most likely the correct one."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Occam%27s_razor

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rfranklin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-12-11 11:22 AM
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12. You believe everything you read on the internet?
People just make that shit up.
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Wilms Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-12-11 12:05 PM
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13. Read? Are you kidding?
I just let the MSM spoon feed me.

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jefferson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-12-11 09:19 AM
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5. This truther pablum belongs in the wacky conspiracy forum.
Not here.
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Logical Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-12-11 09:26 AM
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7. +1000.
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-12-11 09:47 AM
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9. What was Eisenhower warning us of if not a conspiracy -- ?
How many planes were out of contact on 9/11 -- ?

NORAD spokeswoman Stacey Knott said the plane was intercepted out of an "abundance of caution" because it was out of radio contact, adding that it did not appear to pose any threat.

.... "abundance of caution" used here -- hmmm


The only "pablum" being served up is that we don't have corporate fascism in America --


And Eisenhower was warning us of his concerns re the MIC -- because he trusted it?

Actually, what he intended to say was "Military Industrial INTELLIGENCE Complex" but

"intelligence" was removed twice after he inserted it in the speech.







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ProgressiveProfessor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-12-11 09:50 AM
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11. The TFR was posted...
Have to wonder if it was just very close or an actual violation of the TFR.

More that one person has learned what matters is the line on the ground, not what their airborne GPS says.
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-12-11 07:46 PM
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16. Note: intercepted "out of an abundance of caution" ... "did not appear to pose any threat" ...
NORAD spokeswoman Stacey Knott said the plane was intercepted out of an "abundance of caution" because it was out of radio contact, adding that it did not appear to pose any threat.


Yet three or four planes flying around in our skies for an hour or more on 9/11

was basically ignored -- NOT only by NORAD but by the many military bases over

which these planes flew!!

As one of the young soldiers manning the computers that morning said during the

exercises which were based on planes being hijacked and flown into skyscrapers ....

"are we really supposed to believe this coincidence?"



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ProgressiveProfessor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-13-11 12:51 AM
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18. Its very doubtful that a Bonanza would opperate NORDO
Edited on Mon Jun-13-11 12:51 AM by ProgressiveProfessor
Again, read up on civilian ATC...
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-13-11 03:20 AM
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22. Read up on what was done to NORAD in moving the planes out --
Some of them into Southern States -- and others up to Alaska ...

cause the Russians were coming!!


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SidDithers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-12-11 12:18 PM
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14. Meh...
take your conspiracy nonsense to the dungeon where it belongs.

Sid
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Warren DeMontague Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-13-11 01:21 AM
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19. Don't you also think the moon landings were faked? nt

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SidDithers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-13-11 01:30 AM
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20. Yes. He does...nt
Sid
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justiceischeap Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-13-11 08:57 AM
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25. My exe's father was "escorted" from Camp David air space once
I was flying his little Cessna and wandered into Camp David air space. He indicated it happens often.
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MikeMc Donating Member (636 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-13-11 10:52 AM
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26. Too late for + 1. Good post d. Fascinating to see
so many responding post-ers hopping mad about a simple statement.

Two more simple statements:

Before he was prez, l'il georgie bush need a job, and was given a board of directors job for a Saudi Arabian company that puts the food on board commercial airlines. 'CaterAir'.

L'il Marvin bush worked for a Kuwaiti and Saudi company called 'Stratesec' (later, 'Securacom'). It was a company that handled security for the World Trade Centers ('til 9-11-01), Dulles Airport, United Airlines, and the Defense Dept. (I read that as 'The Pentagon'). Commondreams.org covered the 2-4-03 article on this, by Margie Burns from the Maryland 'Prince George's Journal'.


Forget about the conspiracy theory statements from Birch society infiltrators into 9-11 investigation efforts, infiltrators like Alex Jones from Dallas. No, the Mossad didn't do it. No, Fl. 93 wasn't landed elsewhere. Missile or plane at the Pentagon is a bullshit issue. The two W T Cs really were hit by passenger jets. etc. etc.

There is a demonstrably clear bush family - controlled hole in security, on 9-11. True believers have to believe that the heroic Todd Beamer and company said 'let's roll', and crashed their plane in PA, to save other Americans' lives. They also have to believe that all of the flights were taken over with razor knives and box cutters. But, barring the possession of guns by the hijackers, there is no reason the passengers on all the flights wouldn't have 'rolled' on the hijackers.

And business partners of the two l'il bushes were in charge of making sure that no guns were on the flights on 9-11.



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