Democratic Underground Latest Greatest Lobby Journals Search Options Help Login
Google

NATO sources are telling CNN they are now directly targeting Gaddafi

Printer-friendly format Printer-friendly format
Printer-friendly format Email this thread to a friend
Printer-friendly format Bookmark this thread
This topic is archived.
Home » Discuss » General Discussion Donate to DU
 
thewiseguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-09-11 09:24 PM
Original message
NATO sources are telling CNN they are now directly targeting Gaddafi
I saw it as breaking news so I thought I would share.

http://twitter.com/#!/BREAKINGNEWS

Not sure if that is legal though.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
Billy Burnett Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-09-11 09:26 PM
Response to Original message
1. Waste deep!
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Drale Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-09-11 09:26 PM
Response to Original message
2. I don't know how to feel about it
Edited on Thu Jun-09-11 09:29 PM by Drale
maybe if he knows they are gunning for him, he'll be more willing to give up? Or perhaps if people in his own government see the end is near or that they might be killed when NATO is trying to get him, they will take him out and be willing to give up?
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
sabrina 1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-10-11 01:39 AM
Response to Reply #2
14. I do because I know what we would think about it fi Bush was doing it.
Not to mention the fact that the West has no business there just as they had no business in Iraq or Afghanistan and have made those two countries ten times worse than they were before, and killed untold numbers of their citizens.

How dare they think they can go around the world killing leaders of sovereign nations like this. Passing fake laws, so typical of Empires throughout their history, if they wanted to hang someone they would pass a law right before they did it and fit the crime to the person. Made them feel 'legitimate'.

Qadaffi may be a monster, but the West recognized him as a legitimate leader and as such when people armed themselves in his or any country, to suppress an uprising is NOT illegal.

I know waht would happen here if anyone decided they were going to over throw this government.

I am sickend by what this country doing, in Iraq, in Afgghanistan, in Pakistan, in Yemen, in Libya. Where will go next? Who will we assassinate next?

I used to warn Republicans that if they supported giving all that power to the president, they would regret it when a Dem took office. But I never though a Dem would use it, I was just trying to scare them.

How wrong I was. All we seem capable of doing is killing and torturing and incarcerating people.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Fool Count Donating Member (878 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-10-11 01:49 AM
Response to Reply #2
15. If the goal is to make Qaddafi give up, regardless of
any legality or propriety, why not then target his minor grandchildren instead? He doesn't fear death and relishes martyrdom.
Wouldn't he be more scared and amenable to compromise if NATO went directly after the innocent kids? That would show
the tyrant how to be stubborn. I am sure the Benghazi rebels couldn't be happier about killing Qaddafi's spawn too. I mean,
isn't freedom and democracy worth little medieval barbarism? It's all for the kids anyway.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
tabatha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-09-11 09:40 PM
Response to Original message
3. I have searched for direct quotes and have found none.
I believe that the FF will arrest him in Tripoli.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
tekisui Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-09-11 10:01 PM
Response to Original message
4. So it is now ok to kill heads of state? More normalization of assassination.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Distant Observer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-10-11 08:47 AM
Response to Reply #4
16. Its ok to try hundred's of times with massive bombs. As long as they are not doing it to us
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Riftaxe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-09-11 10:13 PM
Response to Original message
5. Libya is so last month
now we are moving on to Yemen.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
MannyGoldstein Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-09-11 10:14 PM
Response to Original message
6. I believe it's legal if it's a war
But we're not at war, right?
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Distant Observer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-09-11 10:59 PM
Response to Original message
7. West has been lying all along. Gaddafi has been on the Saudi hit list for a while. The DEAL was

clear from the beginning -- We serve as Saudi hit men and Get the keep the OIL. And we dare not complain how they deal with problems in their area of "responsibility." DOES NOT MATTER HOW MANY HAVE TO DIE.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
tabatha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-10-11 12:04 AM
Response to Original message
8. NATO DOES NOT target people for killings
A NATO official reached in Naples, Italy, late Wednesday emphasized that the Western alliance does not target people for killings, and the official would not confirm that North Atlantic Treaty Organization warplanes had even struck the site Tuesday. "It doesn't sound like that would be the subject of our attention, so I'm not sure what you were shown there," said the official, who under NATO rules could not be identified by name.

http://articles.latimes.com/2011/jun/08/world/la-fg-libya-raids-20110609
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Distant Observer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-10-11 01:02 AM
Response to Reply #8
9. No, they just KILL ANYONE IN THEIR WAY. Elegant, arrogant disrespect for life.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
tabatha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-10-11 01:07 PM
Response to Reply #9
17. Gaddafi has killed over 12,000
NATO ???
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Distant Observer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-10-11 01:25 AM
Response to Reply #8
10. Oh Yeh. But other NATO official interprets UN RESOLUTION to justify killing Gaddafi: link
Edited on Fri Jun-10-11 01:40 AM by Distant Observer
http://www.globalpost.com/dispatch/news/regions/middle-east/110610/gaddafi-legitimate-target-nato-official

Of course this completely goes around the interpretation of international legal scholars. But who cares.


http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2011/apr/27/gaddafi-un-resolution-1973

Is Gaddafi a legitimate target?

Assassinating Colonel Gaddafi would be hard to justify under UN resolution 1973 – its limited scope provides a clear message


Some people contend that Colonel Gaddafi may have to be killed in order to protect civilians, but that would be very difficult to justify under international law, especially as the resolution's preamble recalls that the situation in Libya has been referred to the prosecutor of the international criminal court and stresses that those responsible for, or complicit in, attacks against the civilian population must be held to account. It is important for the legality and legitimacy of the military action, and for the efforts to find what the resolution calls "a peaceful and sustainable solution" to the Libyan crisis, that Gaddafi's day of reckoning should come through due process in a court of law.

Recent events have not enlarged the scope of resolution 1973. Only the security council, which remains "actively seized of the matter", can do that. In paragraph 28 of the resolution, the security council:

"reaffirms its intention to keep the actions of the Libyan authorities under continuous review and underlines its readiness to review at any time the measures imposed by this resolution and resolution 1970 (2011) , including by strengthening, suspending or lifting those measures, as appropriate, based on compliance by the Libyan authorities with this resolution and resolution 1970 (2011)."
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
tabatha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-10-11 01:13 PM
Response to Reply #10
19. Please listen to this briefing yourself.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-10-11 01:28 AM
Response to Reply #8
11. That's rich.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Tierra_y_Libertad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-10-11 01:23 PM
Response to Reply #11
21. Maybe they're targetting sandals and the people just happen to be in the way.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Cali_Democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-10-11 01:33 AM
Response to Reply #8
12. Ya....that's believable
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Cali_Democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-10-11 01:35 AM
Response to Original message
13. Wasn't this supposed to be about enforcing a no-fly zone that Obama said would last days, not weeks?
My how things have changed since then.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
tabatha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-10-11 01:14 PM
Response to Reply #13
20. This was about protecting civilians
Edited on Fri Jun-10-11 01:15 PM by tabatha
until Gaddafi stopped killing them.

Gaddafi has killed over 12,000 people - NATO probably less than 100.

You make your choices.

Listen to the NATO report directly:
http://www.libyafeb17.com/2011/06/audio-nato-press-briefing-on-libya/
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-10-11 01:40 PM
Response to Reply #20
22. A NATO report is not a neutral source of information. n/t
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
tabatha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-10-11 01:12 PM
Response to Original message
18. I listened to the NATO briefing today
and that question was asked. The person responded, paraphrasing

"I am a person ON the record stating that NATO does not target individuals.
The report stating that Gaddafi was being targeted, was from an anonymous source, and thus not credible"

Listen for yourself:
http://www.libyafeb17.com/2011/06/audio-nato-press-briefing-on-libya/
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Iterate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-10-11 03:07 PM
Response to Reply #18
23. Well there's yer problem.
You cite Nato and the LAT: Nevermind them, nevermind authoritative sources or the thousand good journalists worldwide who'd love to get this story, you just need to find the blogger "Nato Investigator" for the real story that they don't want you to find out about.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
DU AdBot (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view 
this author's profile Click to add 
this author to your buddy list Click to add 
this author to your Ignore list Fri Apr 26th 2024, 03:13 AM
Response to Original message
Advertisements [?]
 Top

Home » Discuss » General Discussion Donate to DU

Powered by DCForum+ Version 1.1 Copyright 1997-2002 DCScripts.com
Software has been extensively modified by the DU administrators


Important Notices: By participating on this discussion board, visitors agree to abide by the rules outlined on our Rules page. Messages posted on the Democratic Underground Discussion Forums are the opinions of the individuals who post them, and do not necessarily represent the opinions of Democratic Underground, LLC.

Home  |  Discussion Forums  |  Journals |  Store  |  Donate

About DU  |  Contact Us  |  Privacy Policy

Got a message for Democratic Underground? Click here to send us a message.

© 2001 - 2011 Democratic Underground, LLC