Typical debate with a Teapublican:

[Pryderi]

http://www.facebook.com/OpinionatedDemocrat?ref=ts#!/notes/opinionated-democrat/debating-a-tea-party-republican/213294162037165

Typical debate with a Teapublican:

Me: With Medicare for all, everyone would have the ability to be healthy.

TP: I shouldn't have to pay for everyone else.

Me: Well you wouldn't, you would be paying for yourself and your family out of a universal pool. It would actually cost you less, and cover more. Everyone would be paying into the same pool... covering you as well.

TP: Sounds like a Socialist ploy to control my life.

Me: Do you prefer corporate control of your life, where a random insurance company can tell you what treatment you should receive?

TP: At least it's my own money that I control.

Me: You are paying a private company to deny you proper care... that is stealing, and indecent.

TP: At least it's voluntary, and not forced.

[Mz Pip]

1. No arguing with them

My cousin likes his Medicare and Social Security and is afraid of what a re-elected Obama will do to them. Go figure.

[bluestate10]

18. Agreed. They are loud, ignorant and get hostile if one debates their lunacy. nt

[Proud Liberal Dem]

2. We all have some control of where our money goes (that's mostly discretionary funding)

but we all still have to pay taxes and other fixed expenses just to have a roof over our heads, food at the table, and functional utilities (among other things). Oh yes, and, occasionally we might have to see a doctor for a stubborn medical problem and/or medical emergency for themselves or, if applicable, partner and children. How is TP keeping those medical bills paid up without going into massive debt/bankruptcy? Speaking of taxes (which are NOT voluntary), is TP upset that his tax money is funding tax cuts and other subsidies (aka "corporate welfare") to companies that not only are NOT using that money to create more jobs but is laying people off left and right (including, possibly him or her), sheltering their money in private accounts in the Bahamas so they don't have to pay taxes on it, and, of course, shipping out jobs to other countries just so that they can pay their peasants....er.....foreign workers peanuts.

[HughBeaumont]

3. How, exactly, do these assknobs think private insurance WORKS?

EVERYbody pays for everyone else. What, do they think their benefit dollars go into a special fund named Jimbo Kochhuffer's Personal Insurance Special? How do they think 401ks work?

It's absolutely amazing how teaslappers can walk erect, much less try and converse.

[Pryderi]

4. There's alot more at the link. n/t

[Blue-Jay]

5. You'll be much happier when you stop arguing with them.

It's not worth the effort.

[The Doctor.]

6. I learned some time ago;

They don't use things like 'reason'.

They would rather pay more for less than admit that non-corporate solutions exist for real.

[Journeyman]

7. It is forced. Seek medical care sometime without insurance. . .

and you'll find out straightaway how coercive the need for insurance is in the effort to gain any sort of medical care.

[Pubs_R_Racist]

8. Why Even Bother with Them

You cannot reason or rationalize with them on any issue, they are radicalized now and nothing will stop em not even voting em out of office.

[RandomThoughts]

9. It has been said before.

Lying to someone, or not letting them see what there choices really are, is a theft of free will.


If someone is propagandized to make a wrong decision, by bad information, they are not held to account for that, but the fault is double on those that steal free will by deception.

Side note, not about the health care debate per say, but to answer the last statement in that conversation. It is not a choice if you are lied to about the different options. But it is also not their fault.

So the fix in society is better accurate information and education systems, so that people do have a choice. Then becuase people are more good then bad, better results will occur as those that do bad are forced to do something, then after that they can be removed.

Sheep to the slaughter, the question of how to stop a psychopath, make him hit you, and make it be seen, so that people can stop it, since most want more justice and compassion for most people.


And I am due beer and travel money, and many experiences.

[canoeist52]

12. Excellent post, Random.

Those who control information control voting outcomes. Deserves it's own post.

[B Calm]

10. Teabaggers scream about socialism, but don't mess with their Social Security!

They're fucking idiots. It's best to keep your distance away from the stupid morons.

[Scuba]

11. OK, now that is just too obvious...

"TP: It's just the government trying to indoctrinate our children into a liberal philosophy of equality. "



Since when is "equality" a "liberal philosophy"?

[RagAss]

13. Cretins can't do logic. Give it up and walk away.

[hobbit709]

14. Trying to teach a pig to sing only wastes your time and annoys the pig.

[Taitertots]

15. The key is to have the right answers

"TP: I shouldn't have to pay for everyone else."
You already do, it is called insurance. The only difference is that now you pay more and get worse service.

"TP: At least it's my own money that I control"
No it is not. You gave that money to insurance corporations and they make the decisions about your health care.

[MrScorpio]

16. No, No, No… You're doing this ALL wrong

You need to address the issue in terms that they'll understand, since their willful ignorance prevents them from making ANY sense of what you're trying to tell them.

After Mr. Teabaggerati pointed out to you that his desire to spend his hard earned money was contingent upon his choice, you should have told him that you wished that YOU YOURSELF were in the health insurance business and had ready access to lots of "unforced" cash just like his.

You'd gladly take his premium payment… Gleefully, as a matter of fact. You'd be rolling in the dough and would able to buy your spouse and kids that nice big house, fancy cars and lots of vacations to exotic locations.

You'd give yourself a nice fat raise, because you love lots of other people's money, just like the health insurance executives today.

You'd invest in the health insurance companies on the Stock Market, because they're REALLY, REALLY profitable, even is this time of short cash for everyone else. They are because they deny lots of claims or pay very little money for them.

And when it came time for your friend to file a claim, you'll gladly DENY IT. Why? Because you'd tell him that you were smart enough to put in the policy that HE voluntarily signed a provision, in teeny-tiny little letters, that said you could. Either that, or just pay him a pittance.

You would do all of this because he was willing to give his money to a greedy crook like you and you wouldn't give a damn, because you're too busy lying on an exotic beach somewhere. And why should you worry at all? As a matter of fact, you would sleep well at night because you knew that are a lot of people who are ready, willing and able to allow you to steal their money and keep you ass deep in fancy shit.

If he wants to sue, go right ahead. With all of his money and the willfully volunteered money of people just like him, you'd be able to hire all the best lawyers that money can buy…

And you should top it off by telling him that he's a great American… Because of with lots and lots of other good American lovers of Capitalism just like him, you could be very filthy rich…. Forever.

THAT'S how you talk to a Teabagger.

[barbtries]

17. first response:

"That would be nice if it actually works that way. The truth is people that work for a living will be paying for people that don't work."

yes bozo, and when you've grown too old to work, or become too sick to work, or lost your job and had trouble finding another one, you'll still be able to live and enjoy good health. what's wrong with that?!

[Cerridwen]

19. Well, that was painful to read.

With all due respect to "OpinionatedDemocrat," she (?) sucks at debate. She conceded every premise of the teabagger as valid and then tried to argue against it. That's how you lose a debate.

TP: I shouldn't have to pay for everyone else.

Response: You already do.

(Wait. make them come to you for next question. Put them on the defense or in confusion.)

[donheld]

20. don't cast your pearls to the swine.

[RandomThoughts]

21. Who are the swine?

Those that don't share pearls maybe?

And besides, can you tell me what is bad in that context. The Swine, or where pearls come from, shellfish.

But anyways, that metaphor may need a bit of explaining.


So if you have pearls, how are you better then swine? And if not better, why not share them. Unless you say you get pearls by taking them from someone else you say is worse, and then say you should not share what was theirs, that you took from them in the first place.

Sounds a bit elitist, or a flaw of superiority complex when stated how many think on it.

[donheld]

22. Don't cast your pearls before swine needs explaining??

It simply means don't give swine your pearls because they won't appreciate them. It's from a book called the Holy Bible.
It is a bit elitist I know, but sometimes it still makes good points.