sigh-editorial in my paper today on "Roe vs WaDE"

[w8liftinglady]

http://www.thedailylight.com/articles/2011/01/03/opinion/doc4d21f61b82d59050944628.txt

To the Editor,

Jan. 22 will mark the 38th anniversary of Roe vs. Wade, the court decision that has resulted in the destruction of over fifty-five million unborn lives—the largest holocaust in the history of mankind.

Let’s take a look at the two “hard questions” the pro-abortion crowd hurls at the pro-life crowd to justify the multimillion-dollar industry of abortion: What about saving the life of the mother? And, what about cases of rape?

There are cases where a child has to be delivered early for the sake of the mother’s health.

But in ALL of these cases the effort can be made to save both lives. Medical science has developed far past the days when killing the child for the sake of the mother is necessary. There are some extreme cases such as toxic infections where the child cannot be saved. But, that doesn’t mean that the child must be deliberately killed. Every effort to save the life of the child can be made. Plus the mother will be much safer in the care of a life-saving hospital team than she would be at an abortion clinic.

Rape is a horrible crime. The punishment for rapists should be severe. We should give great compassion and support to the victims of rape. But, in the cases where pregnancy occurs, does this include abortion?

You cannot answer this question honestly without considering the humanity of the unborn child. Genetic science has shown us the absolute uniqueness of every human embryo at even its earliest stages. Even though this child’s conception came as the result of a crime, the child is not the criminal. Does this child deserve the death penalty because of the crime of its father?

The victim of rape has severe emotional pain to deal with. Is adding the guilt of destroying another innocent victim the solution or does it add even more anguish to the situation?

Steve Casey,

Stonewall, La.

[w8liftinglady]

1. and my response

Steve:
How can you possibly know what it's like to be raped?
As someone who has volunteered with rape victims and homeless female veterans for years,I can tell you that termination of pregnancy is one of the most difficult decisions that a female can make.People who are so vehemently "Pro-life" forget this continues after birth.The same people who advocate abolition of abortion also seem to want to do away with any programs that may help those mothers who keep their babies.The ones who deserve the true criticism are the ones trying to keep these women from obtaining some semblance of normalcy.Where are your programs of therapy and support?
Peace.

[cutlassmama]

2. Written by a MAN who obviously knows what it's like to raped and

pregnant by a rapist :sarcasm:

Men need to quit telling women what to do with their bodies.

[zbdent]

29. "pregnant by a rapist" ...

I'll give you that one, but there's quite a few guys who know what it's like to be raped.

and I would bet that there's probably a bunch of guys incarcerated at Gitmo, or had it done in those torture chambers we don't admit existed, by guys who consider themselves straight ...

[peacebird]

3. One - as a rape victim I can assure you there is no way in HELL that I would bear the rapists child.

Period. End of discussion.

Point 2 - abortion is a legal medical procedure. If you don't believe in it STEVE, then don't HAVE ONE.

No one has a right to force me to bear a child that I do not want for any reason whatsoever. My body, my right to choose.

[BlueJazz]

24. I'm deeply sorry you had to go through...that.

[peacebird]

26. thx BlueJazz - it's been almost 20 years now, but still my hubby can't even playfully wrestle

with me - I can't be held down. Even if I know it is "safe".
Funny how things like that can change you on such an instinctual cellular level...

[BlueJazz]

30. I've sometimes thought that it must be somewhat intimidating to be a ..

...smaller member of a species and then have to (also) realize that the larger half is much more aggressive and therefore ..more unpredictable and Dangerous.

[gratuitous]

4. Mickle odd

I'd bet a dollar to a hole in a doughnut that Mr. Casey is very much against government intrusion into most aspects of his life. But he apparently has no such compunction about such intrusion into the relationship between a woman and her doctor, and miracle of miracles! he is fully informed on the circumstances of every pregnancy in the United States and has decided on behalf of every woman that each one be carried to term.

I'd bet another dollar to a hole in a doughnut that he is delinquent on child support.

[spanone]

5. the world according to steve. pfffft

[bluestateguy]

6. So let me see here

A woman is raped, and she must continue to bear the rapist's baby for the next nine months? That will surely help her put her life back together again.

[Rectangle]

7. -I wonder what level of support "Steve" has for the child and mother AFTER the child is born??

:shrug:

[Sparkly]

8. He'd have done his part in forcing her to carry and give birth to her rapist's child.

I'm sure he'd consider that supportive enough.

[JoePhilly]

19. And give the rapist visitation rights after release from prison.

[w8liftinglady]

9. and... of course,the sheeple who read it are giving him 4 stars

[ProudToBeBlueInRhody]

10. Steve will never get pregnant

Therefore, Steve feels comfortable enough to tell other people what to do.

Fuck Steve.

[w8liftinglady]

11. even if Steve got fucked- (which I doubt)...he wouldn't have to contemplate

he needs to keep his mouth shut.

Men seem to be the predominant abortion protestors

[ProudToBeBlueInRhody]

13. That's because they keep their women seen and not heard

I bet his wife flinches every time he opens his big mouth.

[w8liftinglady]

31. Sadly,you've described most of the men in my area....

[Warren DeMontague]

12. How about this, Steve- next time you have a fetus inside your own uterus

it's your call.

[niyad]

14. steve is, to absolutely NOBODY's surprise here, a reichwing fundie. herewith a sampling of his view

We have rejected God on every front........Steve Casey
What is it like to live in a nation that has rejected God and His protection?
We have rejected God on every front.
As God does not force His grace on us neither does He force His protection.
We have said as a nation, "As long as the economy is good, we don�t need God and His �restrictive
rules. It doesn�t matter what kind of morals our leaders have as long as they bring us a strong economy
"God is loving - He is not going mess with us."
Then when tragedy comes we scream,
"Where was God? Why did He let this happen?"
The answer is simple. God is a gentleman.
He does not stay where He is asked to leave. But when He leaves, so does His protection.
Why would God draw away His protective hand from us?
We have expelled God from our schools. Our courts have sought to remove all reference to God from the public agenda. Even symbols of God have been outlawed.
We have rewritten history in denial of the truth of our godly heritage. We have allowed the courts, the entertainment media, and the perverts to dictate our morals - or should I say our lack of morals.
The ACLU has screamed for the rights of the pornographers, the perverts and the criminals, and we have pitifully given in to their theatenings.
Even our leaders will not dare lead us in prayer, but settle for the spineless "let us have a moment of silence." But we have been silent too long!
We have shed the innocent blood of more than forty-one million unborn children.
We have even made it a federal offense to block the entrance of abortion clinics in a heroic effort to save a child�s life. We have shunned those who have stood up for righteousness and morality.
"Religion should be private." "Don�t force your beliefs on me."
"We are prosperous - we don�t need God." If one can find unrevised editions of our history, one can read of numerous times when George Washington and other Founders of our nation were divinely protected. Where is that divine protection now?
As we have agonized over the tragedy of September 11, we have heard many prayers.
Prayers for mercy, for help, and for justice.
What we haven�t heard are prayers for forgiveness for what we have done to force God to remove His hand of protection from our land.
Unless we repent, we will perish.
What is it like to live in a nation without the protective hand of God?
We have only begun to see.
Steve Casey, Freelance Writer
355 Williamson Road
Stonewall, LA 71078

http://www.naplesnetnews.com/naplesspeakout.htm

Steve Casey: Current norms may contribute to emotional disorders

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Steve Casey: Current norms may contribute to emotional disorders

Steve Casey madison.com | Posted: Sunday, June 27, 2010 4:30 am

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Dear Editor: Is it now normal to be abnormal?

My colleagues and I have discussed often that there seems to be more mental and emotional illnesses today than ever before. This is our personal observation. I do not know of any research done on the increase of mental illness to prove that we are right or wrong.

Supposing we are right, the question would then be “Why?” I would like to suggest three contributing factors:

1. The dropping of traditional morals. In the 1960s, my generation began to dump the old traditional moral system. The results have been devastating. In 42 years of pastoral counseling, I have seen that those who believe and practice old-fashioned morals are generally more balanced emotionally.

2. The decline of the family unit. This is probably the biggest factor. Multitudes of studies have been done proving that those who grow up in a stable family with both mother and father are mentally and emotionally leaps and bounds ahead of those who do not.

3. A media and technology system that provides unceasing activity and demands for instant gratification. Peace and quiet are so unusual today that when they occur, some people can’t handle it. Constant stimuli are the norm. Has anyone researched the possibility of attention deficit disorder being induced by technology?

Following the norms of society is often called being part of the “rat race” which may end in a “rat trap.”

Steve Casey

Stonewall, La.
http://host.madison.com/ct/news/opinion/mailbag/article_8048c479-7ec6-5f11-985f-dfd22936f318.html

oh, and a brief bio, as if we couldn't guess:

vergreen Presbyterian Ministries, Inc - How To Help - Our Staff
www.epmi.org, 17 Aug 2008
Steve Casey, Director of Spiritual Care and Church Relations
Casey was appointed chaplain for Evergreen in July 1990.He comes to Evergreen with over 20 years of pastoral experience in the United Methodist Church.
He has a BSE in public speaking from Delta State University in Cleveland, Miss., and his M.Div. from Asbury Theological Seminary in Wilmore, Ky.
He and his wife, LaBetha, have six children and eight grandchildren.Steve enjoys public speaking, writing, music and working with churches involved with people with developmental disabilities.He is a member of the Louisiana Governor's Program on Abstinence and has been involved in the leadership of Boy Scouts of America.
. . . .

http://www.zoominfo.com/search#search/profile/person?personId=153963810&targetid=profile

[Odin2005]

15. Anyone who would make a woman bear a rapist's child is a monster. Fuck him.

[HockeyMom]

16. NOTHING can save the life of a baby in a fallopian tube

Nada, nothing. No viable baby has ever been delivered from a fallopian tube, and never will be. Are these people for real?

I would like to see what they propose to do to "make all efforts" to save both in this situation.

[Pool Hall Ace]

27. And an ectopic pregnancy can be fatal to a woman

But of course Steve doesn't care about that; just the precious baybeeee . . .

[DavidDvorkin]

17. It's not an editorial. It's a letter to the editor.

So it doesn't necessarily express the opinion of the newspaper's editors or owners. They may well have the same opinion, but all we know from this letter is that it's the opinion of that particular reader.

[Motown_Johnny]

18. His argument (distorted as it is) only works for aborting a viable fetus

Seemingly he is arguing that doctors should attempt to save the life of the unborn instead of simply aborting the pregnancy. I don't know the percentage of abortions that are performed with a viable fetus, but these are the only ones that he is addressing.




More to the point, with the 40th anniversary being only 2 years away we must begin to ask when an established law becomes settled law. I doubt anyone would say that 50 years is a reasonable amount of time to wait for a law to become settled, unless and until you tell them you are talking about a woman's right to choose.

The response to this person's invalid point is to bypass all the usual outrage and move directly to "It has been nearly 40 years since this has been decided, how long must we wait for conservatives to accept reality?".

[Atticus]

20. Any argument that supports the "personhood" of a zygote would also support the

"treehood" of an acorn.

And, anyone who makes such an argument is, at best, a close-minded religious zealot.

[NutmegYankee]

21. The 55 million figure has got to be bullshit.

There are 307 million Americans, of which roughly half ~153 are women. Of that total, only a smaller subset was in their fertile years. I'm sorry, but over a 40 year span, there is no way in hell that one in every three women had an abortion.

Complete Utter Bullshit.

[Beaverhausen]

22. Notice Steve doesn't talk at all about children

except the unborn ones.

Do you think he volunteers at shelters, schools or juvenile centers, seeing how he cares so much about children?

[BlueJazz]

23. Some women should mind their own damn business when they have no idea what they're

...talking about.

[Volaris]

25. Here is a brief summation of a conversation I had with an Idiot the other day...

Idiot--Abortion should be abolished.
Me--On what grounds, do you say this?
Idiot--Because in the Constitution on the United States, there is Right to Life.
Me--O.K., fair enough, but I would ask you who do you think that Constitution applies to?
Idiot--Only to Citizens of the U.S., thats why terrersts don't have rights to trials, and can be tortured for information.
Me--O.K. Once again, fair enough, if that is what you believe. What is the definition of a Citizen?
Idiot--Someone who was born here.
Me--OR?
Idiot--Someone who LEGALLY came here.
Me--OR?
Idiot--Someone who was born to American Parents overseas, such as on a American Military base on foreign soil.
Me--OR?
Idiot--Thats it.
And since he so kindly walked underneath it for me, I really had no problem dropping the fucking Hammer on his head...
Me--O.K. <genius>, let me tell you what you just told me. You just told me that all that time, money, and effort that American Christians have spent on the Pro-life Movement for the past 40 years or so has been a worthless effort, and has been made so because the same American CHRISTIANS believe that the Constitution of this country no longer protects the Creator-given, AND INALIENABLE rights of all Human Beings who happen to find themselves under our Care or Governmental Jurisdiction, but that those rights are now solely and squarely based on where one was born. This has been done solely so that guys like the Blind Sheik can be TORTURED and tormented into telling you where the IMAGINARY bomb MIGHT be, because you are scared shitless that said imaginary bomb might explode, sending you to your Creator while you were exercising your HUMAN RIGHT to go the mall without presenting PAPERS. While I'm content to let your fear define the limits of our rights in this country, (this time) you don't get to have that interpretation work JUST in your favor. You want to let the Bad Guys be tortured because they aren't citizens and you CAN? Fine. But I will then hold you to your definition of Citizen, the first criteria of which is that you have to HAVE BEEN BORN already for the Right to Life to apply to you. And yeah, this is what happens to your arguments when you believe that there is no place for reason or Logic within the realm of Faith and religious matters.
He didn't like any of that. Not. One. Bit.=)
Steve can go Fuck himself.

[musette_sf]

28. Mr Casey is a RAPE APOLOGIST.

Any person who wants to legally prevent a woman from terminating the spawn of a rapist is a RAPE APOLOGIST.

If a woman cannot legally terminate the spawn of rapists, then THE RAPISTS HAVE WON.

Pregnancy due to rape is an INJURY suffered in the commission of a crime.

If the assault victim has no legal remedy for her INJURY, then sexual assault, battery and rape of females are de facto legalized.

:mad:

:puke:

:grr: