Meet Your New Boogeyman!!!! Ilyas Kashmiri May Replace Osama as Al-Qaeda Chief

[tekisui]

Source: Newstrack India/ANI

London, May 11(ANI): Ilyas Kashmiri, who has been linked to multiple terror plots such as a series of '26/11 Mumbai style' attacks in Europe, could take over from Osama Bin Laden as Al-Qaeda chief, a US official has said.

According to the official, Kashmiri has emerged as a dark horse as bin Laden's long-time presumed successor Ayman al-Zawahri is very unpopular in some circles.

Kashmiri has been targeted by the CIA in drone attacks in Pakistan and US prosecutors have indicted him in a major terrorism case going on trial next week involving a Chicago businessman.

"His star has been on the rise for the last several years. He would have to be on the Al-Qaeda shortlist," the official told NBC.

more: http://www.newstrackindia.com/newsdetails/219244

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Most importantly, be afraid. Be very afraid. And support any targeted killings because you are afraid.

[pnwmom]

1. OBL took credit for directing the murder of thousands of people,

and he led a terror organization. He could have turned himself in and surrendered at any time during the last 10 years -- but he didn't.

He got what he deserved.

[tekisui]

2. What does that have to do with this article?

Is that just your rote response for any post with bin Laden in the headline?

[pnwmom]

4. It has to do with your title "new boogeyman" which implied

that that's all OBL was -- a boogeyman.

And it had to do with your closing statement about "targeted killings."

As far as the article is concerned, it's just speculation. No one knows who, if anyone, will be the next OBL.

[tekisui]

8. Are you suggesting we are carrying out current targeted killings?

And that we won't in the future?

And you don't think who ever takes OBL's spot won't be targeted?

We won't still hear AQ and the Taliban as justification for war?

If you answer no to any other those you are naive or ignoring reality.

[pnwmom]

19. You call it a "targeted killing." I call it restrained "self-defense"

with little collateral damage.

[tekisui]

20. Do you believe there is an imminent threat to the US?

From each and every person we have targeted over the past 10 years?

And currently target?

Hell, even bin Laden wasn't an imminent treat anymore.

[pnwmom]

23. I don't know and wasn't talking about "each and every person" we may have targeted

over the past 10 years.

I was responding to an OP about OBLs possible replacement.

And he was a real threat. He could have surrendered long ago, but chose not to. Protecting his life in a capture situation wouldn't have been worth the loss of a single American life.

[tekisui]

26. What about each and every person targeted over the past 2 years?

And those on the slate for tomorrow and the next two years?

[sabrina 1]

3. Do we need a replacement??

I've seen so many 'possible replacement' for OBL candidates, it's almost as if there is an ad on Craigslist!

[bluestate10]

5. Another that we will find and kill. The Kashmiri's objective is to kill

innocent human beings. To hell with him. If a bead is made on him, the person at the business end of that bead must kill the bastard. I am not afraid. I am fucking homicidal when the issue of killing terrorists is raised. Any questions?

[tekisui]

10. Yeah. A couple of questions.

When do you get to label someone a terrorist?

Can we kill someone who has yet to order or carry out an attack on US soil?

[bluestate10]

15. Below.

When do you get to label someone a terrorist? Intention to kill innocent people. The jackass would not be selected if he has not shown an abundance of desire to kill innocent human beings, some of whom may agree with his fanaticism.

Can we kill someone who has yet to order or carry out an attack on US soil? Yes. No hesitation in this instance.

[tekisui]

16. Wow. At least you are honest. Extra judicial killing for thought crimes.

Love it!:puke:

[Joe the Revelator]

21. Your so high and mighty!

If the guy is the head of a group who's goal is to murder civilians, then I have no idea with him being killed in the name of self defense. It's a shame you feel differently.

[tekisui]

22. I am impressed by your ability to foresee who will one day be a threat.

Our kill list will just keep growing! More successes on the way, no doubt.

[Joe the Revelator]

24. Is the next grand wizard of the kkk not a racist?

[tekisui]

27. Should we kill him for his hate?

Is that enough? Serious question. When do our killings become preemption?

[Joe the Revelator]

32. If the goal of his group was to activly attempt mass murder on civilians

Then yes. It's not like AQ has asked for a cease fire or committed themselves to not trying to kill Americans.

[tekisui]

33. So, anyone we label AQ is a fair target?

When do they pass the threshold?

Taliban, too?

[Joe the Revelator]

56. Why are we pretending that the people in question are hiding their affiliation with AQ?nt

[Vinnie From Indy]

37. Well I'll tell you what, why don't you fork over THREE TRILLION of YOUR dollars

this fucking time? Some of you people are so off the charts stupid it is hard to find the words to accurately capture the bone deep idiocy. If you are so scared of tribesman in caves in Afghanistan or holed up in some Motel 6 in Pakistan, go to a therapist or move to another country. I am sick and tired of paying for your fear and I am sick of OTHER peoples children being killed because you are such a bloodthirsty prick.

Cheers!

[NYC Liberal]

30. Conspiring and plotting to commit murder or acts of war are not

'thought crimes.' Conspiring to commit an illegal act is a crime. Several Nazis at Nuremberg were charged with conspiracy.

[tekisui]

31. "Several Nazis at Nuremberg were charged with conspiracy."

They were charged. Killing without charge, though? Killing solely because we label them a terrorist?

I am not comfortable with that.

[NYC Liberal]

34. Bin Laden was not killed for being "labeled a terrorist" nt

[tekisui]

36. What about the others we have targeted and killed over the years?

And those that are on deck?

[sabrina 1]

45. If you're talking about the newest 'boogieman' from the OP

I think you need to calm down and go read the rest of this thread. He was killed already so unless he arose from the dead or was never 'killed' to begin with, all your homicidal rage is kind of wasted on him.

[Name removed]

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[sabrina 1]

42. 'homicidal' well, you said it. I thought we were denying we were

'homicidal'??

[sabrina 1]

47. It appears he may already be in 'hell'. You need to calm

down. Kashmiri is dead, killed two years ago. It appears we are raising boogiemen from the dead now. Quite a feat, but then Bush had that capability also. How many times did he raise Al Zarqawi from the dead and sent his supporters in forthing rages each and every time? I'm not even sure he ever existed at this point. But hey, if it feels good to rage at ghosts, feel free!

[eleny]

6. It sounds to me like they had to go to someone more appealing because the real leader isn't likable

So Ayman al-Zawahri is still the real leader even though he won't be the public face of Al-Qaeda.

[JI7]

7. why do you refer to osama as a boogeyman ?

[tekisui]

12. Because that is what he was.

He has been propped up as an excuse for fear and war for a decade. I have no problem with pursuing him in the name of justice. But the occupation of Afghanistan and the drone war in Pakistan were based on a peddled fear of OBL and AQ.

When was the last time the killed an American on US soil?

The videos released showed him as he was. A washed up hideout. A boogeyman.

[sixmile]

9. I smell a reality show!

Al Qaeda Idol

[Solomon]

18. LOL I'm willing to bet that a lot of operatives will want to turn

themselves in soon. Since we no longer torture, "Club Gitmo" must be pretty damned attractive. I mean who really wants to blow themselves up anyway?

[guitar man]

11. His choice to make

He takes the job, he paints a target on himself .

[sabrina 1]

46. Don't think he's going to be making any choices. It appears we 'killed'

him back in 2009. So unless he has arisen from the dead, this is not a good choice as the new boogieman.

See Prometheus Bound's post below.

[Bonobo]

13. America will not be safe until [insert name here] is "taken out".

Forget about your rampant joblessness, homelessness, incarceration, murder, lack of health care, lack of education,.

Forget about your degrading infrastructure, election rights, civil rights.

Forget about the destruction of the value of the dollar, the housing crisis and the energy crisis.

Find this (insert name here) and kill him and you will all be safer and freedom will be preserved for your children and grandchildren.

[sabrina 1]

50. Not just 'taken out' once, but taken out again after being

taken out two years ago which apparently according to Prometheus Bound's post below, Hashiri was. Killed in 2009 it seems.

This thread is hilarious! The new boogieman has apparently been raised from the dead because the other candidate for new 'head of Al Queda' was not 'charismatic enough'.

You just can't make this stuff up!

:rofl:

And I thought only Bush could raise 'terraists' from the dead! Move over Al Zarqawi!

[Canuckistanian]

14. Sounds like a James Bond villain

Who always wears sunglasses and smokes from a gold cigarette holder.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

17. EEK!! Quick! Invade somewhere! Send more money to the MIC! The Home of the Brave is skeert!

[Leopolds Ghost]

25. What about late returns? Let's let John King go to the Big Board.

Isn't it interesting how we are expecting that any terror leader will be replaced with another US-designated (by repute) leader of the same terror group?

[Prometheus Bound]

28. Another "top al-qaeda chief" rises from the dead.

Pakistani Al Qaeda leader killed in U.S. strike

Pakistani officials say Ilyas Kashmiri, head of Al Qaeda's paramilitary operations in Pakistan, was killed in a strike Sept. 7 near the border and an Uzbek commander was slain in a strike this week.

September 18, 2009|Alex Rodriguez and Zulfiqar Ali

A missile fired by a U.S. drone killed a top Al Qaeda operations chief and two other militant commanders in the volatile North Waziristan region, Pakistani military and intelligence sources said Thursday.

The killing of Ilyas Kashmiri, who headed Al Qaeda's paramilitary operations in his native Pakistan, is the latest in a series of successful strikes against Al Qaeda and Taliban militants in the tribal areas along the border with Afghanistan.

In August, a drone strike in South Waziristan killed Pakistani Taliban leader Baitullah Mahsud, the country's most-wanted militant, who was accused of engineering suicide bombings of civilian and military targets. U.S. drone strikes have killed several other prominent Al Qaeda militants in recent years.
http://articles.latimes.com/2009/sep/18/world/fg-pakistan-drone18

[tekisui]

29. Wow. Great catch!

[sabrina 1]

43. Oops! Shades of Al Zarqawi!

:rofl:

The 'change' we were 'hoping' for is beginning to sound very familiar all over again.

You just ruined the fun. Good catch though!

[Zax2me]

35. A boogeyman? Perhaps you aren't aware...

Al-Qaeda reaches out to like minds far and wide and yes, more recent attacks than 9/11 and within our borders -
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fort_Hood_shooting
The Fort Hood shooting was a mass shooting that took place on November 5, 2009, at Fort Hood, the most populous U.S. military installation in the world, located just outside Killeen, Texas. In the course of the shooting, a single gunman killed 13 people and wounded 29 others.
The sole suspect is Nidal Malik Hasan, American-born Muslim of Palestinian descent.

The seemingly endless stream of so-called boogeymen isn't teen horror movie fantasy.
Obama isn't creating targets - he's defending against being one.

When the cries of "Allah Akbar" cease,
http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/article/ALeqM5i91X2p0ZfGDT5hRSSvdLWrUCafDQ?docId=CNG.60d5b39646e58529e4788d62cae3ee2e.5c1
Your voice should be heard.
Now, it is not, because your self-perceived facts are not in line to the truths we see play out every day.
But, stick in there! One day we may need you...

[tekisui]

39. Ft Hood was a tragic attack.

But, it was a criminal act of one man. He killed 13 and should be charged for their deaths, as well as the injuries he caused.

What, though, did bin Laden or the new heir apparent have to do with that?

Another whack job tries to jam a cockpit and fails. Military actions and targeted killings are an appropriate response?

[Zax2me]

44. It wasn't just Hood...

There was also a serviceman recently killed in Europe on a bus outside an airport. And there are more examples.
No, Bin Laden and his heirs had no direct relation to these incidents, that we now of.
So what. That is by design. They incite others to do their bidding.
You ask, military actions and targeted killings are an appropriate response?
I don't know.
But I trust our leadership, Obama, to make the right response at the right times. He doesn't appear out of control to me or making haste with his decisions.
I guess I don't see a Ft. Hood jihad incident happening without- or pre-Bin Laden.

[tekisui]

48. You have more trust than I.

The US killed over 1,000 in Pakistan last year.

It is easy to look back on Ft. Hood through the lens of the war on terror. Would it have happened if not for bin Laden? Who knows. But, I am not comfortable using that possibility as justification for killing potential future threats.

[sabrina 1]

53. There were many terrorist attacks pre-Bin Laden.

There was the killing of the elderly Jewish man on the Aquile Lauro, the Italian ship taken over by terrorists in the '80s, there was the bombing of the US barracks that killed over 200 American servicemen in the eighties also after which Reagan 'cut and ran' rather than go after those responsible. And btw, Bin Laden was helping the US at that time fight the Russians in Afghanistan.

Terror attacks are by no means new, there have always been such attacks, in almost every country in the world throughout history. During the eighties, eg, under Reagan there were more terror attacks on US citizens around the world than there were under Clinton. And what did Reagan do about them? Not much as far as I know.

The blind sheik Rahman from Egypt tried to take down the Twin Towers in 1993, pre-Bin Laden. He was tried and convicted in NYC and is currently in jail for life along with others involved in that attack.

But we had the cold war back then to keep the MIC busy and well funded. It was only after the end of the cold war that interest in terror came about as we needed new justification to keep funding the MIC. We were up to then, apparently willing to live with the occasional terror attack.

[Vehl]

38. msnbc has a similar article as well

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/42965337/ns/world_news-death_of_bin_laden

I opened a thread on that yesterday

Elusive ex-commando to replace bin Laden?
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=439x1080853

[Warren DeMontague]

40. ***

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RKoZMke594A


The Rob Zombie version is good, too.

[tekisui]

41. Thanks for that.

Perfect timing. :woohoo: :hi:

[Modern_Matthew]

49. Another poster boy of terror to keep the wars raging. nt

[sabrina 1]

51. Except we killed him two years ago!

:rofl:

[Modern_Matthew]

52. This is how the zombie apocalypse begins. nt

[sabrina 1]

55. Lol, 'zombie' seems appropriate in this case!