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joshcryer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-07-11 10:05 PM
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Libyan Revolution Day 80
Edited on Sat May-07-11 10:10 PM by joshcryer
Links to sites with updates: http://blogs.aljazeera.net/live/africa/libya-live-blog">AJE Live Blog http://blogs.aljazeera.net/twitter-dashboard">AJE Twitter Dashboard http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/libya">The Guardian http://uk.reuters.com/places/libya">Reuters http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/africaandindianocean/libya/">Telegraph http://feb17.info/">feb17.info http://www.livestream.com/libya17feb?utm_source=lsplayer&utm_medium=embed&utm_campaign=footerlinks">Libya Alhurra (live video webcast from Benghazi) http://libya-alhurra.tumblr.com/">Libya Alhurra archives and updates http://www.ustream.tv/channel/benghaziradio">Benghazi Free Radio, in Arabic (may have translators present at times) http://www.libyafeb17.com/">libyafeb17.com

Twitter links: http://twitter.com/#!/aymanm">Ayman Mohyeldin, with AJE http://twitter.com/#!/bencnn">Ben Wedeman, with CNN http://twitter.com/#!/tripolitanian">tripolitanian, a Libyan from Tripoli http://twitter.com/#!/BaghdadBrian">Brian Conley, reporter in Libya http://twitter.com/#!/freelibyanyouth">FreeLibyanYouth, Libyan advocate http://twitter.com/#!/LibyaFeb17_com">LibyaFeb17.com twitter account http://twitter.com/#!/ChangeInLibya">ChangeInLibya, Libyan advocate https://twitter.com/#!/TheyCallMeSof">Sofyan Amry (arrived in Benghazi recently) http://twitter.com/#!/KiloFoot">KiloFoot (general Arab Spring news aggregation)

Useful links: http://audioboo.fm/feb17voices">feb17voices http://www.google.com/search?q=time+in+libya">Current time in Libya http://www.islamicfinder.org/cityPrayerNew.php?country=libya">Prayer times in Libya

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=439x1055678">Day 79 here.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ixwx_B38678">Marching On in Libya, for the revolutionaries!


Crews fought Saturday to keep a huge fire from engulfing other fuel tanks in Misurata after rockets struck its fuel terminal.

Photograph: Bryan Denton for The New York Times



http://www.nytimes.com/2011/05/08/world/middleeast/08libya.html?_r=2">Libya Strikes Fuel Supply in City Held by Rebels
MISURATA, Libya — Military forces loyal to Col. Muammar el-Qaddafi struck the fuel terminal of this rebel-controlled city early Saturday with ground-to-ground rockets, igniting a fire that threatened the city’s fuel supply.

The barrage struck shortly after midnight, when rockets began landing and exploding in several areas of the terminal, officials there said.

At least one rocket hit a set of three mammoth tanks, which ruptured and burst into a fireball. The fire settled into a leaping blaze that towered overheard, visible for miles. Its glow illuminated the eastern section of the city throughout the night. Residents woke to a thick, drifting cloud of black smoke.

The attack on the terminal was another escalation against the besieged city, and the second pinpoint attack by Colonel Qaddafi’s forces in two nights.


http://blogs.aljazeera.net/live/africa/libya-live-blog#update-34686">Libya's ambassador to Rome says that he is now on the side of the opposition.
"I am with the people, with the rebels and against Gaddafi's regime," Abdulhafed Gaddur, who has been a Libyan diplomat in Italy since 1990, told the Corriere della Sera daily in an interview.

Gaddur says he will continue to serve in his position "until a new Libya and its new government make their choices".

Gaddur had earlier signed a document drafted by other diplomats who had abandoned Gaddafi's government, but had not publically signaled his exact position on the issue.


http://www.npr.org/2011/05/07/136036361/rebel-art-libyan-youth-find-outlet-in-sketches-song">Rebel Art: Libyan Youth Find Outlet In Sketches, Song
Young people are heavily involved in the uprising now underway in Libya: They are members of the rebel military; they are working to help form a new government. They are also producing revolutionary artwork, publications and music.

On any given day you can find at least a few of Benghazi's young and restless in a large empty cement lot off one of the city's main thoroughfares.

In the late afternoon, young men gather to see just how much tire rubber they can burn. Fishtailing Toyotas leave a smear of swirling, smoking, sticky blackness on the pavement. From a hotel room high above, the streaks appear like some kind of postmodern design.

About a mile away, just off Revolution Square, more substantive creations are taking shape. This is the Media Center for the 17th of February Revolution — a dingy, dog-eared building bustling day and night with frenetic 20- and 30-somethings trying to process what's going on in Libya.


Heck of a find by tabatha, thank you! What a wonderful article!

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2011/05/07/946332/-Berber-RebellionGaddafi?showAll=yes">Berber Rebellion & Gaddafi
In the forgotten mountains of western Libya a terrible struggle is going on. Berber rebels and their Arab allies are fighting a loosing war against better armed Gaddafi military and militia. No Nato aid has arrived and the Gaddafi forces are taking no quarter and firing on the old, the infirm and women and children. Ignored by the world the Berbers are fighting for their existence. Protected in part by the rugged territory of the Nafusa Mountains, they have been able to hold off Gaddafi forces until the last three weeks when a new offensive has broken rebel lines. The Berbers need no foreign troops to help, they need arms and ammunition. Nato air cover would be effective but even if Nato bombed roads and bridges the effect would be to slow Gaddafi forces and allow the Berbers to regroup. Nato planes have been seen in the sky but little has been done. Now is the time for Nato and the US to act. A Berber presence or victory over the Gaddafi forces threatens vital supply lines to Gaddafi from the resource-rich Ghadames basin to the south. Should rebels in the Nafusa succeed and link with rebel tribes in the Kufra area, Gaddafi is finished. A minor investment by Nato now will make all the difference.


Thanks to Iterate who appears to be the resident opinion piece discoverer! Such good pieces, I'm sorry for being so late posting today, these are great.

http://english.aljazeera.net/indepth/opinion/2011/04/2011428134937111186.html">Sovereign Libya: A letter to Vladimir Putin
"Look at the map of this region, there are monarchies all around," you said. "What do you think they are - Danish-style democracies? No. There are monarchies everywhere, and this basically corresponds with the mentality of the people, as well as long-standing practice." How right you are to affirm our "long-standing practice" of despotic rule. And how convenient that you chose to disregard the "mentality" of millions of people throughout the Arab world who have demonstrated for democracy, human rights, dignity - and for an end to these "monarchies". To say nothing of the thousands who have paid for these calls with their lives speaks volumes.

...

"I do not like it," you said of the intervention. In that case, please accept our sincerest apologies. Perhaps the Libyan people and the international community should have considered your feelings when deciding how to react to the gunning down of protesters from Tripoli to Benghazi; and to the massacre at Az Zawiya, the bombardment of Misurata, and the positioning of Gaddafi's tanks on Benghazi's doorstep.


Thanks to pampango & Iterate for this piece. Iterate also has his own commentary http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=439x1057709">here

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=439&topic_id=1055678&mesg_id=1056442">Sons of the Revolution
On the morning of March 12th, Osama ben Sadik, a volunteer ambulance driver, arrived for duty at the Red Crescent clinic in Brega, an oil-refinery town in eastern Libya. The uprising against Muammar Qaddafi had turned from a protest movement into a shooting war, and casualties were expected. But no one in Brega had a clear idea of what was happening on the battlefield, not even the few fighters fidgeting by a new barricade outside the refinery’s front gate. Six days earlier, Qaddafi’s armored columns had halted the rebels on their ill-planned, euphoric advance westward toward Tripoli. Bloodied and outgunned, the rebels, a leaderless rabble of university students, mechanics, shopkeepers, and Army reservists, had been falling back ever since. After a standoff on the coastal road that ran past Ras Lanuf, another oil-refinery town, eighty miles to the west, the rebels had buckled under heavy fire and made a panicked retreat. It seemed obvious that the small desert town of Brega would be the next target of Qaddafi’s forces.

At the clinic, most of the medical staff had evacuated after an ambulance was hit by a shell, killing one of their doctors and several nurses. A lone doctor remained, along with Osama, who was friendly, and spoke extraordinarily good English. A rangy man of forty-eight with warm brown eyes and an aquiline face that resembled a beardless Abraham Lincoln’s, he showed off his ambulance. To aid the war effort, he and some friends had adapted a Toyota Land Cruiser pickup into a mobile emergency-treatment center. The vehicle, painted white with a red crescent, was parked at the clinic entrance, where Osama was busily cleaning it.


This last piece is a must read.



http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2011/02/25/world/middleeast/map-of-how-the-protests-unfolded-in-libya.html">Click here for updated map


Video of the convoy sent to take Benghazi, taken from a dead soliders cell phone (shows how massive the operation was): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hwWwOeZqz6M

Sky News went with Gaddafi minders to find a "civilian town bombed" only they were never shown any such thing: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-O5KJavfiQo

TNC presser talking about various details of the revolution (thanks to Waiting for Everyone): http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=439&topic_id=730234&mesg_id=731532

Topic on the women of the revolution, dispels myths that they are treated poorly: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=103x594751

Videos to bring the Libyan Revolution into context:

The Battle of Benghazi: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x0vChMDuNd0

BBC Panorama on Libya Part 1: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AyaPnMnpCAA

BBC Panorama on Libya Part 2: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hMzwQvcx62s

Tea of Freedom Song: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WD5tu5bJWKc

Latest indiscriminate shelling in Misurata: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wop3C4zrPXI

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=439x677397">Text of the resolution.

How will a no fly zone work? AJE reports: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iWEwehTtK2k

Canada: http://winnipeg.ctv.ca/servlet/an/local/CTVNews/20110317/cf-libya-canada/20110317/?hub=WinnipegHome">Canada to send six CF-18s for Libya 'no-fly' mission Norway: http://af.reuters.com/article/libyaNews/idAFOSN00509220110318">Norway to join military intervention in Libya Belgium: http://www.lesoir.be/actualite/monde/2011-03-18/la-belgique-prete-a-une-operation-militaire-en-libye-828970.php">Belgium ready for a military operation in Libya Qatar and the UAE: http://www.defpro.com/daily/details/776/?SID=e80884adc09a37d26904578a9b5978cb">Run-up for Western world’s next military commitment ... with unusual support Denmark: http://www.cphpost.dk/news/international/89-international/51229-denmark-ready-for-action-against-gaddafi.html">Denmark ready for action against Gaddafi France: http://www.nytimes.com/2011/03/19/world/africa/19libya.html?src=twrhp">Following U.N. Vote, France Vows Libya Action ‘Soon’ Italy: http://af.reuters.com/article/commoditiesNews/idAFLDE72G2HE20110317">Italy to make bases available for Libya no-fly zone-source United Kingdom: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-12770467">Libya: UK forces prepare after UN no-fly zone vote United States: http://www.newsday.com/news/nation/nations-draw-up-plans-for-no-fly-zone-over-libya-1.2765122">Nations draw up plans for no-fly zone over Libya Jordan: http://www.smh.com.au/world/military-strikes-on-libya-within-hours-20110318-1bzii.html?from=smh_sb">Military strikes on Libya 'within hours' Spain: http://english.cri.cn/6966/2011/03/19/2801s627320.htm">Spain Expected to Join NATO No-fly Zone Enforcement over Libya

"One month ago (Western countries) were sooo nice, so nice like pussycats," Saif says in a contemptuous sing-song tone."Now they want to be really aggressive like tigers. (But) soon they will come back, and cut oil deals, contracts. We know this game." - http://www.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,2058389,00.html">Saif Gaddafi


(Yeah, Saif, as if you weren't "cutting oil deals, contracts" with western states. Who are the 'tigers' now? Bombing your own people.)

http://english.libya.tv/2011/04/25/eastern-libyans-believe-in-national-unity-distrust-au-and-turkish-mediation-survey-reveals/">The first free public opinion poll ever conducted in Libya reveals clues to Eastern Libyan sentiments
* 98 percent of the respondents do not support the division of Libya as a part of the political solution for the current conflict with the Gaddafi regime. Around 95 percent also don’t see any role for Gaddafi or his sons in a transitional period, and think it is impossible to implement any political reform in Libya if Gaddafi or one of his sons stays in power

* Around 96 percent of those polled, believe that the 17th of February revolution can consolidate the national unity of Libya and support the model of a democratic Libya based on a constitution which respects human rights

* Al-Qaeda has not played any role in the 17th of February revolution, say 94 percent of the Eastern Libyans, and 91 percent thinks it’s impossible for Al-Qaeda to play any political role in the new Libya

* The National Transitional Council is seen by 92 percent of those surveyed as “expressing the views and wishes of Libyans for change”


This is equivalent to 17% the entire population of Libya, doing the numbers very conservatively.


http://jenkinsear.com/2011/03/19/a-legal-war-the-united-nations-participation-act-and-libya/">A Legal War: The United Nations Participation Act and Libya
The above link is to an overview of why Obama's implementation of the NFZ and R2P is perfectly legal under the law. I will not post it entirely here, however, all objections come down to the misinformed position that Obama, by using forces in Libya, was invoking Article 43 of the United Nations. This is wrong. Obama invoked Article 42, which does not require congressional approval to implement. Proof of this is that Article 43 has http://www.un.org/en/sc/repertoire/actions.shtml#rel5">never been used.

It goes like this: The US law (Title 22, Chap. 7, Subchap. XIV § 287d) grants the President the right to invoke UN Article 42 http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/uscode22/usc_sec_22_00000287---d000-.html">without authorization, the War Powers Act (Title 50, Chap. 33 § 1541) grants the President permission to act without authorization under http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/50/1541–1548.html">"specific statutory authorization" which, by definition, is what 287d does. § 1543 of the War Powers Act requires the President to report to Congress, http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/plum-line/post/obama_explains_libya_mission_to_congress/2011/03/03/ABU9377_blog.html">which he did. One can argue all day and night about the legality of the War Powers Act, doesn't change the fact that under the law as it is written, the President acted within the law.


http://blogs.aljazeera.net/live/africa/libya-live-blog-march-10-0">March 10 7:28pm Saif al Islam Gaddafi says "the time has come for full-scale military action" against Libyan rebels. He goes on to say that Libyan forces loyal to his family "will never surrender, even if western powers intervene".


http://english.aljazeera.net/indepth/2011/03/2011328194855872276.html">Libyan Karzai? Chalabi? Forget it
Fortunately, the Council wasn't made-in-the-USA or manufactured by another foreign power. Rather it came into existence, a month ago, at Libyans' own initiative, soon after the winds of revolutionary change blew Libya's way, and after its people rose to the occasion with pride and courage.


http://www.foreignpolicy.com/articles/2011/03/31/getting_libyas_rebels_wrong">Getting Libya's Rebels Wrong
Don't buy Qaddafi's line: The rebels aren't al Qaeda.


http://www.newyorker.com/talk/comment/2011/04/04/110404taco_talk_anderson#ixzz1HvS7iW22">Who Are the Rebels?
During weeks of reporting in Benghazi and along the chaotic, shifting front line, I’ve spent a great deal of time with these volunteers. The hard core of the fighters has been the shabab—the young people whose protests in mid-February sparked the uprising. They range from street toughs to university students (many in computer science, engineering, or medicine), and have been joined by unemployed hipsters and middle-aged mechanics, merchants, and storekeepers. There is a contingent of workers for foreign companies: oil and maritime engineers, construction supervisors, translators. There are former soldiers, their gunstocks painted red, green, and black—the suddenly ubiquitous colors of the pre-Qaddafi Libyan flag.


http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2011/mar/29/vision-democratic-libya-interim-national-council">A vision of a democratic Libya
The interim national council, formed by opposition groups in Libya, has said it will hold free and fair elections and draft a national constitution. Here is its eight-point plan in full.


http://www.workersliberty.org/story/2011/04/20/left-slipping-towards-qaddafi">The left: slipping towards Qaddafi?
When the revolt against Qaddafi started in Libya, hardly anyone on the left — however broadly defined — could say anything in defence of Qaddafi.

With the start of the "no-fly zone", many on the left started to sideline the issues within Libya and focus their efforts on denouncing NATO.

Now the denunciation of NATO, in turn, is acting as a lever to introduce defence of Qaddafi and denunciation of the rebels into broad-left discourse.

...

Everything is done by insinuation and sarcasm, just as old-style Stalinists used to deflect criticism of the USSR by studied wondering whether the regime was quite as bad as extreme Western right-wingers used to say, or whether the right-wingers' motives for criticism might be suspect.


http://louisproyect.wordpress.com/2011/04/21/is-qaddafi-an-anti-racist/">Is Qaddafi an anti-racist?

...

One of the signs that you are dealing with a cruder form of propaganda is if the author does not bother to address evidence that contradicts his or her own. To be taken seriously on the question of Qaddafi’s commitment to pan-African values, you have to take a close look at his overall record, something that does not interest Forte who is so anxious to tilt the scales in favor of Qaddafi that he does not bother to conceal the fact that his hand rests upon the scale.

...



Mohammed Nabbous, killed by Gaddafi's forces while trying to report on the massacre in Benghazi

"I'm not afraid to die, I'm afraid to lose the battle" -Mohammed Nabbous, a month ago when all this began


I'm struggling to come up with something to say about this man. I was not aware of the Libyan uprising until I saw Mo's first report, begging for help, posted here on DU. I was stricken. Here was a man giving everything he had to explain a situation that clearly terrified him, I would not call him a coward in that moment, but you could see the fear in his eyes, and desperation in his voice. For 30 days Nabbous would spend many hours covering the uprising in Benghazi. For many nights I would go to sleep with the webcast of Benghazi live on my computer screen, looking to it occasionally to be sure it was still 'there.' Mo treated the chat room as if we were his friends, and in some way, we were. I never signed up to LiveStream to thank him for all his work and it seems somewhat shallow to do so now, given that I was a lurker for so long. Ever since I took over posting these threads "Libya Alhurra" has been linked as a source of information. It wasn't until last night, when I posted, and twitter posted on Mo's adventures out into Benghazi to try to determine the truth of the situation, that Mo's webchannel became a hit, over 2000 people were watching him stream live. This was curious to him because he'd done many reports like this in the past but he appeared somewhat bemused that the view count exploded as it did. Last night Mo became a star. This is a man who first started out with a webcast replete with fear and desperation finally overcoming that aspect of himself and losing that fear, to become someone who was a fighter for the resistance just as much as those who held the guns. Reporting on the front lines of Benghazi became his final act, and for that he should never, ever be forgotten. I'm so sorry Mo that I never got to know you better.

Mo's first report, which many of you may remember, begging for help: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=38EXALI60hg

Mo's last report, a fallen hero trying to spread the word to the world: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ecu_iWLn-rg

Mo leaves behind a wife who is with child, she had http://blog.foreignpolicy.com/posts/2011/03/23/a_bright_voice_from_libyas_darkness">this to say about the No Fly Zone and R2P UN resolution:

We started this in a pure way, but he turned it bloody. Thousands of our men, women, and children have died. We just wanted our freedom, that's all we wanted, we didn't want power. Before, we could not do a single thing if it was not the way he wanted it. All we wanted was freedom. All we wanted was to be free. We have paid with our blood, with our families, with our men, and we're not going to give up. We are still going to do that no matter what it takes, but we need help. We want to do this ourselves, but we don't have the weapons, the technology, the things we need. I don't want anyone to say that Libya got liberated by anybody else. If NATO didn't start moving when they did, I assure you, I assure you, half of Benghazi if not more would have been killed. If they stop helping us, we are going to be all killed because he has no mercy anymore.


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joshcryer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-07-11 10:07 PM
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1. Current time in Libya, 5:07am Sunday, May 8
Sorry for being so late today, all, Mothers Day Weekend has kept me busy!
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tabatha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-07-11 10:26 PM
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3. I am glad to hear you are busy with other things.
That is the way it should be.
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Yosarian71 Donating Member (185 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-08-11 12:24 AM
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11. Where are the fronts right now?
The MSM is too lazy to do actual journalism, and prefers to continue to promote the same stalemate meme, which leaves me a little lost as to where things actually are.

My understanding from here, AJA and Twitter

East: two fairly large armies skirmishing periodically the last few days. Gaddafi's troops in Brega, rebels in Ajdabiya. Neither force is able to sustain an attack against the other, but this situation does serve the purpose of pinning down Gaddafi's best remaining troops and leaving them exposed to NATO attacks.

Gaddafi has a few additional recon groups that can stage hit and run raids in the east but are incapable of capturing and controlling territory. All Gaddafi's eastern forces seem to be under some supply pressure.

Misurata: City essentially cleared. Gaddafi hasn't launched another ground attack in days, indicating that the Khamis Brigade has likely been smashed on the streets of this city. Fighting is now in the suburbs and pushing further back. Gaddafi has resorted to indiscriminate shelling because he has no troops left to impose his will on the city. This is the most likely opportunity for a rebel breakout towards Tripoli.

Western Mountains: ferocious fighting with significant casualties on both sides and the rebels in trouble with supplies. The rebels seem to be gaining ground but can not break the sieges on Yefren or Zintan. Gaddafi continues to attack the border crossing but the attacks are getting weaker and weaker so all he can do is disrupt with rocket attacks.
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pinboy3niner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-08-11 01:01 AM
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15. That's a pretty good assessment
I think one reason we seem to be getting less information is that some of the foreign press in Libya was transferred to Pakistan after OBL was killed. CNN's Nic Robertson, for one, has been reporting from Abbottabad, and I've seen a few others there who had been in Libya. I wonder how many others were shifted.

I expect a breakout from Ajdabiyah westward. Reports on Gaddafi forces massed in and around Brega and nearby towns have been conflicting, with some rebel sources claiming the loyalists' supply lines are cut off, that they're surrounded, and even that they're surrendering in large numbers. There's no clear picture on what is really happening there.

It's doubtful that Misrata rebels have the strength to push toward Tripoli, though they'd likely have a role when there's an offensive from the East. It's also possible that the rebels could land forces there by sea. It will be interesting to see what strategy they use when they're ready to move.


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tabatha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-08-11 02:11 AM
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19. Gerhard Heinz - Al Jazeera blog commenter
Edited on Sun May-08-11 02:20 AM by tabatha
Seems to know his stuff, even though his English is not too good.


so info in short after fail of the long one by discuss
helis ,the plane and also the mine depot smoke after nato reseche
al depots from daffi lokated noth of western mountains bombed this night.also reinforcement for zintan bombed.
troops near wazin also targeting
brega scouts are inside to find out mines and traps and remaining resistance points of forotten troops
jalu daffis remaining soldiers try to get acsess to food and water
tripoli over 20 points of fire this night
part of goverment split away and start negio. with ff contakt
misrata ff will have control over highway today with help of nato.
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he problem in the moment is more to selekt targets.
even daffis men in the army are sons or fathers ,they have famely.
if nato attack a 4x4 convoy the follow procedur is used
one bomb in the front of the convoy
waiting 45 seconds after convoy stop
.so soliers can run.
then destroy the 4x4.

if you not use this proceder you have 30.000 dead soldiers up to now.
the target of this operation is to destroy daffis weapons,amu ,and comand,
not to kill soldiers as much as possible
this kills otherwise will produce hate and block any deflektion and surrender..
the best example is brega ,ras lanuf
there is no problem for nato to bomb this area to ground in about 4 hours and kill the rest with ac130

but nato will not work in a daffi style.




developments this night up to 8 .oo this morning

western mountains
if you take a card of this area you see all amu-depots and compounds of daffi are on the side of the mountains .
nato wipe them out tonight.photo-planes in the air now to see what is left.
on the way back after dropping the bomb jets looking for targets for their rockets and find some.
so we will have a quick devellopment in this area in the next days.

misrata
thereare still some fights in the night ,and daffis troops try to hold ground at the highway.

in south
a convoy with reinforcement for this troops was blowing up 3 .14 this morning.
they will try a counter attack today ,becouse if they stay in defensiv ,no chance,
they are surrouded and try to break out to reach an area with more cover.

brega
the situation of daffi there is hopeless
lack of fuel(they try to destilate crude)lack of food.lack of amu ,no comunication ,no high standard medical treatment.and every night more bombs.
arround 11.00 yesterday evening a group of 4x4 try to escape to ras lanuf,and there are also men by foot on this way.today ff will send some scouts into brega to evulate the positions of the rest of daffis troops

tripoli
daffi conzentrate tanks in the city center and near his compound,hide them under roofs and inside buildings,
looks like prepare for endgame.
so we see us this evening, i tell my staff to prepare the news for me.
the fire points in tripoli are not from airstrikes

western mountains
after tonight air strikes ff will make good gains today
the anti daffi fraktion inside the goverment is growing.
spezial kontakts say nobody see or speak with daffi since the airstrike
nato get reinforcement yesterday for a hotter week


And then I loved this comment by someone else



"Rebels are nothing but a pawn in the hands of imperialists. "

Trolls are nothing but krill in the maw of the hegemonists.

See, I can make trite meaningless phrases as well. Personally, I like mine much better.


Forgot the link, but I don't think it is a permalink.
http://blogs.aljazeera.net/live/africa/libya-live-blog

(Josh seems to know how to get the #links on a page on Al Jazeera - I don't)
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pinboy3niner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-07-11 10:19 PM
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2. K&R
:hi:






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joshcryer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-07-11 11:22 PM
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4. 42 years of Gaddafi in 42 seconds
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tabatha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-07-11 11:37 PM
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5. Libya: RAF Tornados destroy Libyan missile launchers
Two Tornado fighters targeted a FROG-7 weapons system - which can fire rockets more than 40 miles (64km) - near the city of Sirte on Friday.

The planes also destroyed at least 30 containers used for transporting long-range Scud missiles.

The mission comes as Libya faces claims of scattering landmines in the beseiged rebel-held port city of Misrata. The use of Chinese anti-vehicle mines, as claimed by rebel groups and video footage, was verified by Human Rights Watch.

....

Nato aircraft have flown more that 5,300 sorties since the no-fly zone was put in place in March.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-13325389?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter

(That is a hell of a lot of aircraft fuel.)
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tabatha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-07-11 11:42 PM
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6. Gadhafi Forces Bomb Oil Tanks in Besieged Misrata
Edited on Sat May-07-11 11:51 PM by tabatha
Libyan Deputy Foreign Minister Khaled Kaim told journalists Friday in the capital Tripoli that government forces would not stop trying to close Misrata’s port, accusing the rebels of using it to "bring arms to the city and evacuate some criminals."

Also in Tripoli, a tribal organization loyal to the government called for a general amnesty, but continued to call for the "liberation" of rebel-held territory. Rebel leaders, for their part, claimed that Colonel Gadhafi is "giving out money to encourage rebel fighters to change sides."

Pro-Gadhafi forces continued to shell areas along the Tunisian border. Witnesses say a number of shells fell inside Tunisia. Libyan government forces are besieging the towns of Zintan, Nalout and Yfran in the mostly Berber mountainous plateau near the border.

http://www.voanews.com/english/news/Libya-Criticizes-Aid-Plan-that-Skirts-Government--121434474.html
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Turborama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-08-11 12:18 AM
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9. Posted a link to the video of the destruction of the missile launchers
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tabatha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-08-11 12:28 AM
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14. Thanks.
:hi:
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tabatha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-07-11 11:45 PM
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7. Egyptian Sacrifices for a Libyan Cause
BENGHAZI, LIBYA 4/27/2011 – Libya and Egypt are neighboring countries, and their people have always had strong ties (regardless of what the government’s stance was). After Egypt and Libya’s revolutions, those feelings were intensified, and the Egyptian people didn’t hesitate to give a helping hand to their Libyan neighbors. Egyptians sent aid, doctors, and other much-needed assistance.

We sat down with Mr. Ashraf Elshwehdi in the Alive In Libya office. He wanted to share the story of Ashrafa Sameer Aburkb, Mohamed Jalal Mohamed, and Abdulfatah Manjod, the three Egyptian volunteers who passed away while helping the Libyan people. He wanted the world to hear their story, and to offer them thanks.

http://alive.in/libya/

(Although this is old, I have not seen it before.)
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joshcryer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-07-11 11:57 PM
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8. Targeting Gadhafi from the sky
http://www.thestar.com/news/world/article/987712--targeting-gadhafi-from-the-sky">Targeting Gadhafi from the sky
From the ground, the Libyan battle front is often no broader than the four-lane span of a coastal highway. Rebels and regime forces push each other back and forth along the same 150 kilometres of macadam.

But from where Lt.-Gen. Charles Bouchard sits — which is at the apex of Operation Unified Protector — the front is 1,300 kilometres wide, a vast desert domain studded with tiny villages and heavily populated cities.

And while he's across the Mediterranean Sea from there, inside the whitewashed NATO headquarters of Combined Joint Task Force-Unified Protector, Bouchard can see all of it — every tank, artillery piece, ammunitions depot, resupply line, command and control “node'' and troop position.

How the Canadian general is able to do this is classified information, but there are daily reconnaissance flights that relay critical electronic intercepts and high-resolution images from the battlefield.
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tabatha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-08-11 12:27 AM
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13. Really interesting article.
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Turborama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-08-11 12:22 AM
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10. Tunisia condemns "repeated violations" of territorial integrity by Libya
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JustABozoOnThisBus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-08-11 08:48 AM
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29. Who's violating the border?
Qaddafi's troops? Rebels? Both?
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tabatha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-08-11 02:19 PM
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49. The only side that is lobbying grad rockets into Tunisia
is Gaddafi's side. Period.
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pinboy3niner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-08-11 02:33 PM
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51. Not to mention Gaddafi troops wounding Tunisian soldiers and civilians nt



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tabatha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-08-11 12:25 AM
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12. Fear of crackdown, conscription haunts Libyan capital
Green bunting and pictures of Muammar Gaddafi festoon a Tripoli district where two months ago protesters marched in the streets. Locals whisper on corners, youths avert their gaze. Men watch passersby from unmarked cars. The fear is palpable on Tripoli's streets, fear of speaking out and fear of conscription as Nato air strikes hit Gaddafi's forces and fighting rages in Misrata and the Western Mountains.

More than two months after an uprising against Gaddafi's 41-year rule saw rebels seize the eastern part of Libya, the army has crushed dissent in the capital and its crack down on opponents elsewhere in the west is spreading fear.

"No one wants him. If the people in Tripoli were not so scared they would rise up. They did in February, in Tajoura, in Fashloom, in Souq al-Jumaa, but he crushed them," said one shopkeeper, changing the subject when other customers came in.

In the Fashloom district, a tent flanked by a big picture of Gaddafi stands a few metres from the charred offices of the local revolutionary council, set alight during the unrest that spread briefly in late February and early March before fizzling out.

http://mg.co.za/article/2011-05-07-fear-of-crackdown-conscription-haunts-libyan-capital
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pinboy3niner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-08-11 01:13 AM
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16. Recent updates from AJE:

11:00pm Forces loyal to Gaddafi attacked the remote eastern oil town of Jalu in the Libyan desert on Saturday, but the town remains in rebel hands, a rebel spokesman said.

The town, south of the eastern frontline near Adjdabiyah, has been attacked by Gaddafi forces more than once since the uprising against Muammar Gaddafi's rule began in mid-February.



8:54pm Fierce clashes near the western Libyan town of Zintan killed at least nine rebel fighters and wounded 50 others on Saturday, an AFP correspondent and medics said.



8:17pm Tunisia warned Libya that it considered the shelling of a border town on Saturday "extremely dangerous" and said it would take all necessary measures to protect its sovereignty.

Close to 100 shells or mortar rounds fell on or near the Tunisian border town of Dehiba on Saturday, causing no injuries but doing damage to one house, a Reuters witness said.

The shelling sent residents scurrying for safety.


http://blogs.aljazeera.net/live/africa/libya-live-blog






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joshcryer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-08-11 01:50 AM
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17. In Libya, a long-dead hero rises again in east
http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/nationworld/2014994087_libyahero08.html">In Libya, a long-dead hero rises again in east
BENGHAZI, Libya — In eastern Libya, the spectral image of an elderly, bearded man in a skullcap or Bedouin cloak is everywhere — on bumper stickers and posters, military vehicles and checkpoints, even press IDs issued by the rebel government here.

"He is the godfather of all of us," said Salim Ismael, a retired army officer now training rebel recruits. "He is our inspiration, the spiritual leader of the Libyan revolution."

The figure is Omar Mukhtar, a 20th-century resistance hero executed by Italian occupiers 80 years ago — and, improbably enough, depicted in a 1981 Hollywood all-star epic, "The Lion of the Desert," starring Anthony Quinn as Mukhtar. A box-office flop, the film has a devoted cult following here.

"General, bring me back Mukhtar!" Rod Steiger, playing Benito Mussolini, bellows to a subordinate before dispatching him across the Mediterranean. "Bribe him or break his neck."

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pinboy3niner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-08-11 01:51 AM
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18. Migrant ship runs aground near Italian port
Source: Al Jazeera





Incident comes a day after another such boat with 600 men, women and children sunk off the coast of Tripoli.

Last Modified: 08 May 2011 05:32



A boat carrying 300 African migrants ran aground near an Italian port, forcing many of those on board including women and children to jump into the sea, Italian news agency ANSA reported.

The coastguard launched a rescue operation on Sunday and have already plucked dozens of people from the water after the boat hit rocks on the approach to the island of Lampedusa in southern Italy, the report said, citing officials.

The boat had apparently been headed for Malta but was escorted by the Maltese coastguard towards Lampedusa, the officials were quoted as saying.

The incident comes a day after a migrant boat laden with 600 men, women and children - mostly African refugees - sunk off the coast of Tripoli.

Al Jazeera's Karl Stagno-Navarra, reporting from the nearby island of Malta, said that most of those on the boat were feared dead. He said that a rescue operation was under way and a few bodies had been recovered.

...


http://english.aljazeera.net/news/europe/2011/05/20115845455723288.html








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tabatha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-08-11 02:14 AM
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20. Looks as though NATO is getting its act together
after doing the tedious job of hunting and destroying armaments.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=439x1061810#1062415
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joshcryer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-08-11 02:16 AM
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21. Nice find.
Edited on Sun May-08-11 02:18 AM by joshcryer
I saw that guys comments being mentioned in Libya Alhurra TV chat but I didn't know what they were talking about. Thanks for the scoop!

edit: btw, the tactic of hitting the main weapon caches / trucks is not new, they did that in Desert Storm which is why the "highway of death" wasn't ... so much. Basically once the raid begins they allow them to run, somewhat different tactic than would be used for Afghani or Pakistani people. :(
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pinboy3niner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-08-11 04:05 AM
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22. The forgotten frontline in Libya's civil war
Source: The Telegraph





A town in western Libya is coming under almost as much fire as Misurata, writes Andrew Gilligan. But no one is paying much attention.


By Andrew Gilligan, Ras al-Jedir, western Libya 8:00AM BST 08 May 2011


...


But transfixed by the horrors of Misurata, the international community - and the Nato military alliance - have all but overlooked the closely parallel drama in the mountain towns of Zintan and Yafran, little more than an hour's drive from the capital.

...


"From the south, from the north, from the east, from everywhere. They fire with Grad missiles, Scud missiles, anything. They have tried to enter Zintan many times but they couldn't." Homes, schools, and the town's main hospital had been hit, causing panic, he said.

...


A spokesman for Human Rights Watch, Fred Abrahams, accused the Libyan regime of committing "indiscriminate attacks" in the district. "They are firing into residential areas without targeting a military object," he said. "It is in essence the same tactic as in Misurata."

...


In normal times, this dramatic area, studded with fortified castle-granaries carved out of the rock, is one of Libya's main tourist attractions. Now it just might be the place where the country's long military stalemate is starting to shift a little.


Zintan, whose Berber people have long been at odds with Tripoli, was one of the first places to rebel against the regime, resisting even a proffered $750,000-per-family bribe by Gaddafi's security chief to stay loyal. Col Gaddafi, in turn, singled out the town for special mention in his first key anti-uprising speech, promising to hunt its rebel "greasy rats" from "alley to alley."

...



http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/africaandindianocean/libya/8500231/The-forgotten-frontline-in-Libyas-civil-war.html









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joshcryer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-08-11 04:20 AM
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23. Libyan grad students in Colorado face deportation
http://www.9news.com/news/article/197366/339/Libyan-grad-students-in-Colo-face-deportation-">Libyan grad students in Colorado face deportation
DENVER - While Libyan rebels continue to battle the forces of Moammar Gadhafi, nearly 400 Libyan graduate students in Colorado are facing possible deportation. The Libyan government has decided to cut off all scholarship money to those students, which means they would no longer qualify for student visas in the United States.

Most of these students say they came to the U.S. with hopes of making their home country a better place.

"Back home in Libya, it's a dream to be free and express your opinion and express yourself," University of Denver student Jasem Rashwan said.

Many of the students brought their families with them to the United States.
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Iterate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-08-11 08:13 AM
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26. Tell DHS to Stop Sending Libyan Nationals Back to Violence and Unrest
Tell DHS to Stop Sending Libyan Nationals Back to Violence and Unrest
by Prerna Lal · March 21, 2011

On March 19, 2011, the United States, France and the United Kingdom launched attacks on Libyan defensive infrastructure and ground forces. With a war against Libya underway and violent turmoil within the country, is the Obama Administration still deporting Libyan nationals and requiring visitors and students to abide by visa restrictions to return to the warzone?

We hope not. But one glance at the USCIS site, and there is currently no press statement or policy in place for nationals from Libya who may be in the United States currently visiting or studying. Granted the population of Libyans in the United States is probably minuscule when compared to populations in the rest of Europe, but that is all the more reason for the Department of Homeland Security to come out with a statement or policy immediately.

India has stopped the deportation of a Libyan student in light of the conflict. Canada has followed suit and stayed the deportations of all Libyan nationals until the violence and political unrest in their homeland subsides. This is not unusual or unprecedented. USCIS usually grants Temporary Protected Status (TPS) for countries undergoing armed conflict or a natural disaster. Last year, it was quick to grant Haiti TPS after a major earthquake rocked the country.

When USCIS grants TPS, foreign nationals from the designated country are allowed to live and work in the United States for as long as TPS is in effect. However, besides TPS, the USCIS can also grant visa extensions or deferred enforced departures. For example, at this time, DHS has determined that Japanese foreign nationals living and residing in the United States do not require TPS. But Japanese nationals traveling either on a non-immigrant visa or through the Visa Waiver Program are now allowed up to 30 extra days to depart after the expiration date on their visa or passport.

more...
http://news.change.org/stories/tell-dhs-to-stop-sending-libyan-nationals-back-to-violence-and-unrest


We've seen these stories since the beginning of the conflict. The DHS knows what to do. They already offer TPS for citizens of these countries: El Salvador,
Haiti, Honduras, Nicaragua, Somalia, Sudan, and Liberia.
http://www.uscis.gov/portal/site/uscis

I'll post more on the topic over the next few hours, but not all in the same post, as the mass of content can be a bit too much.

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pinboy3niner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-08-11 04:25 AM
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24. FACTBOX-Latest military activity in Libya


Sat May 7, 2011 2:41pm GMT


BRUSSELS May 7 (Reuters) - Following are the latest available details of military activity in Libya:


* NATO said aircraft under its command conducted 149 sorties on Friday, including 56 "strike" sorties designed to hit military assets. Among the targets were tanks, ammunition storage depots, military trucks and "command and control" facilities in and around Sirte and Ras Lanuf.


* Amnesty International on Friday reported indiscriminate attacks by Gaddafi forces in the besieged city of Misrata, including the use of snipers, cluster bombs and artillery in civilian areas, saying it could constitute war crimes.


* Russia on Friday said that it opposes any foreign ground operation in Libya and criticised a Western-led grouping that has pledged aid to the rebels fighting Muammar Gaddafi's government forces.


* A coalition of Western and Arab countries has agreed to provide Libyan rebels with millions of dollars in aid to help them in their campaign to drive out Gaddafi.

...


More:
http://af.reuters.com/article/libyaNews/idAFLDE7451B620110507








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pampango Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-08-11 07:42 AM
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25. NPR: NATO Official: More Progress Than Meets Eye In Libya
http://www.npr.org/2011/05/08/136056129/nato-official-more-progress-than-meets-eye-in-libya

Everything points to a prolonged stalemate in Libya. In the east, the front is static: Gadhafi's forces are dug in near the important oil ports of Brega and Ras Lanuf. In the west, the dictator's forces are shelling the town of Zintan and are in firm control of Tripoli, the capital. In Misrata, the rebel's main western enclave, Gadhafi's forces still control the airport and all access to the city except the port, which Gadhafi has tried to mine and which he sporadically shells with heavy artillery.

But to U.S. Air Force Maj. Gen. Mark Ramsay, the glass is half full. NATO's chief of operations and intelligence says Gadhafi now is unable to effectively command his forces in the field. Take communications: Gadhafi, he says, now has to use unsecured phones and couriers.

Ramsay says Gadhafi is having huge problems resupplying his troops with the basics — bullets, food, spare parts — things essential to sustaining any military campaign.

"Every day he wakes up, he has less fuel, he has less ammunition and he has less ability to control the forces he's got," Ramsay says. "And we're seeing that play out on the ground very vividly in that it's pretty obvious the balance is tipping not in his favor."
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pinboy3niner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-08-11 08:41 AM
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27. Libyan state TV says NATO warplanes have attacked several gov't. targets
It came after pro-government forces started a fuel fire in the western city of Misurata.

Gaddafi loyalists attacked an oil depot - wiping out a key fuel source for the pro-democracy fighters still clinging onto control of the city.

Witnesses told Al Jazeera that three helicopters that bombed the storage tanks were painted with Red Cross emblems.

1:30pm:
http://blogs.aljazeera.net/live/africa/libya-live-blog







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Iterate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-08-11 08:45 AM
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28. NAFSA Requests Temporary Protected Status for Libya from DHS
NAFSA Requests Temporary Protected Status for Libya from DHS

On May 2, NAFSA sent a letter to Secretary Janet Napolitano at the Department of Homeland Security requesting Temporary Protected Status (TPS) for the country of Libya. With respect to the current extraordinary conditions in Libya at the moment, NAFSA expressed concern in the letter for the approximately 2,000 Libyan exchange visitors and students currently in the United States and recommended that automatic extensions of current immigration status or other deferred action remedies be taken in the interim.

Source: http://www.nafsa.org/resourcelibrary/Default.aspx?id=26513

PDF download of request: http://www.nafsa.org/uploadedFiles/NAFSA_Home/Resource_Library_Assets/Public_Policy/LibyanTPSDHS_0522011nosig.pdf

About NAFSA (National Association for Foreign Student Affairs):

With nearly 10,000 members, NAFSA is the world's largest nonprofit professional association dedicated to international education.

NAFSA and its members believe that international education and exchange—connecting students, scholars, educators, and citizens across borders—is fundamental to:

establishing mutual understanding among nations,
preparing the next generation with vital cross-cultural and global skills, and
creating the conditions for a more peaceful world.

http://www.nafsa.org/

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pinboy3niner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-08-11 08:54 AM
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30. BREAKING, CNN: ****Eman al-Obeidi escapes to Tunisia****
Edited on Sun May-08-11 09:39 AM by pinboy3niner
Source: CNN


STORY HIGHLIGHTS

*Eman al-Obeidy accused Libyan security forces of rape in March

*She says she has fled to Tunisia with help from a defecting military officer

*She is hoping for protection from a western government



May 8, 2011 -- Updated 1330 GMT (2130 HKT)


(CNN) -- Eman al-Obeidy, who garnered worldwide attention for her vocal rape allegations against the regime of Moammar Gadhafi, says she has fled Libya, fearing for her safety.

Al-Obeidy told CNN that she crossed into Tunisia on Thursday with the help of a defecting military officer and his family.

She said she left Tripoli in a military car, wearing a head cover that hid everything except one eye.

Al-Obeidy said she entered at the Dahibah border crossing disguised "in the local manner" and was not challenged. She described the trip from Tripoli as "very tiring."

...


http://edition.cnn.com/2011/WORLD/africa/05/06/libya.rape.case/








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Turborama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-08-11 01:26 PM
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42. Woohoo! That's excellent news!! I was just wondering about her earlier and how she's doing. Thanks!!
BTW, have you seen this documentary about Mo yet? If not, it really is a must see.

AJE's description: "Through the eyes of a Libyan-born filmmaker, we investigate the dark stories emerging from a country fast unravelling into civil war."

You can click on this image to go and watch it...

http://twitter.com/#!/DUTurborama/status/67097813548417024">

Or go here where there are several other related "must see" documentaries that have been (and have yet to be) broadcast available to watch, as well...

The Arab Awakening: As revolution shakes the Arab world, a series of films explore the roots of the uprisings and ask 'what next'?
http://english.aljazeera.net/programmes/general/2011/04/20114483425914466.html

:hi:
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pinboy3niner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-08-11 01:43 PM
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45. The doc is bookmarked
I'm eager to see it, but couldn't with my HP motherboard on its last legs before it finally died.

The computer shop actually gave me a loaner (something they NEVER do) until my new custom build is done, but it doesn't seem to want to display video and I'm not making ANY changes to their system.

It's great news about Eman. Too bad she couldn't see her family before leaving, but they'll be overjoyed to hear that she's free.


:hi:


P.S.--Please be sure to tell a certain special someone "Happy Mother's Day" for me.







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pinboy3niner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-08-11 03:57 PM
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53. "It now appears she's already moved on, out of Tunisia"--CNN
Live report from Nic Robertson a few minutes ago.






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pinboy3niner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-08-11 09:36 AM
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31. Editorial: Gaddafi has to go without any more bloodshed--Gulf News




Gulf News editorial: His Arab colleagues must persuade him to quit for the good of his own people


Gulf News Published: 00:03 May 8, 2011


...



An excellent article last week by Shaikh Hamad Bin Jasem Al Thani, Qatar's Prime Minister and Foreign Minister, written with Italian Foreign Minister, Franco Frattini, was very clear that the international community wants a political solution in which the Libyan people alone will decide their country's future.

The two were right when they said that "the start of such (reconciliation) demands the cessation of violence, a ceasefire which requires Colonel Gaddafi's definitive departure if it is to be credible."

There needs to be more Arab activity to bring a diplomatic end to the civil war. Gaddafi needs to be persuaded to leave without bloodshed for the good of his people, and his long-term Arab colleagues may be best placed to bring this about.

But what is as important as any diplomacy, is the very good plan from the Contact Group to set up a trust fund of $3 billion (Dh11 billion) for the Transitional National Council, which might be funded from seized Gaddafi assets, or future oil sales from rebel territory.

...


http://gulfnews.com/opinions/editorials/gaddafi-has-to-go-without-any-more-bloodshed-1.804610









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pinboy3niner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-08-11 10:00 AM
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32. CURRENT TIME IN LIBYA = 5 PM SUNDAY, MAY 8
Libya time = EDT +6 hours, PDT +9 hours, GMT +2 hours







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Iterate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-08-11 10:18 AM
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33. Because G-Forces are killing livestock and burning farms in Nalut,
@AlmanaraMedia Almanara Libya

Because G-Forces are killing livestock and burning farms in #Nalut. 1 farmer was able to take cows to the city http://goo.gl/djs6C
vor 13 Stunden via web

Really, it's a must see.
https://www.facebook.com/video/video.php?v=122304737848417&oid=221212461228498&comments

In other news...

Gaddafi "shoot 'n scoot" frustrates NATO in Misrata
Sun May 8, 2011 12:33pm GMT
http://af.reuters.com/article/libyaNews/idAFLDE7442B420110508

Nothing new in the report, but it did occur to me that Reuters can't report that it has nothing new, and can't humble itself to report on cows being hidden in cities. Recycling is their only option.
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pinboy3niner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-08-11 10:18 AM
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34. Syria: 4 women among 6 civilians killed in a tank-backed army raid on besieged coastal city
Posted by pampango as a reply to an OP in LBN by Turborama:

Syria: Four women among six civilians killed in a tank-backed army raid on besieged coastal city of Baniya
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=102&topic_id=4843601&mesg_id=4843673







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pinboy3niner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-08-11 11:22 AM
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35. Raids on Libyan weapons depots reported

Source: Al Jazeera





Accounts of Nato strike in Zintan and explosions in Tripoli follow "government attacks on fuel depots" in Misurata.

Last Modified: 08 May 2011 15:05


NATO air attacks have hit Libyan government weapons depots near Zintan, southwest of Tripoli, the capital, according to a rebel spokesman in the town.

Separately, two loud explosions rocked a western sector of Tripoli on Sunday as jets flew overhead, witnesses told the AFP news agency.

...


"NATO struck weapons depots five minutes ago in an area which lies about 30km southeast of Zintan," Abdulrahman, the rebel spokesman, told the Reuters news agency by telephone on Sunday.

"We heard a loud explosion ... I think the strike hit some of them .

"We are now at a cemetery burying 11 people martyred during yesterday's fighting, in which 35 other fighters were also wounded."

...


http://english.aljazeera.net/news/africa/2011/05/201158135733735559.html









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pinboy3niner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-08-11 12:07 PM
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36. Misrata: Intense fighting at airport; NATO airstrike east of city
Rebels in the Libyan city of Misurata have been engaged in intense fighting with government forces near the airport, and a NATO air strike hit the east of the city, a rebel spokesman told the Reuters news agency.


"Fierce fighting is taking place now at the airport and in the air force college area (near the airport). We are still hearing sounds of artillery and rockets," the spokesman, called Abdelsalam, said from Misurata.

"NATO struck an area in the east of Misuata today but we do not have details," he said.



Misurata is the last remaining city in the west under rebel control. It has been under siege for more than two months and has been the scene of some of the war's fiercest fighting between the rebels and Gaddafi loyalists.

...


6:46pm:
http://blogs.aljazeera.net/live/africa/libya-live-blog






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Iterate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-08-11 12:27 PM
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37. Extremely loud explosions east of Misrata and at the airport
ChangeInLibya Mhalwes
Misrata: Extremely loud explosions east of Misrata and at the airport, where NATO jets took out multiple convoys of Gaddafi vehicles #libya
vor 5 Minuten

ChangeInLibya Mhalwes
Misrata: Revolutionaries promise good news from the airport clashes soon but it is considered Gaddafi's main base in the area #libya #feb17
vor 47 Minuten

I've been looking at this for far too long:

@ChangeInLibya: Misrata: Very fierce fighting in the city today on all three fronts. Dafiniyah to the west, Airport to the south and Shanteen to East

Dafiniyah is a about 25km west of the center of Misrata - they've gone nearly halfway to Zlintan. But I can't for the life of me find Shanteen, or any likely misspelling or mistranslation.

I hope there is good news in this today.
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Yosarian71 Donating Member (185 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-08-11 05:57 PM
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57. Zliten
Gaddafi will be forced to fall back if the rebels get to Zliten. I wonder if the move in that direction is the beginning of a flanking move to surround the airport and wipe out Gaddafi's forces there before advancing West. I am guessing that the rebel army in Misurata is several thousand strong at this point between residents and volunteers coming in from surrounding area. Probably 2x the size of Gaddafi's forces arrayed against it, but the regime forces have artillery.

The news out of Brega keeps teasing us. I get that time is on the eastern rebels side, but surrounding Brega and capturing that force would be a huge PR victory. The rebels seem to be engaging Gaddafi's forces more frequently in the area.
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tabatha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-08-11 12:51 PM
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38. Libya rebels remake schools for Gaddafi-free thought
Sunday May 8, 2011
Libya rebels remake schools for Gaddafi-free thought
By Deepa Babington

BENGHAZI, Libya (Reuters) - How do you teach in schools where history books omitted revolutions, geography books had few maps and children learned never to question authority?

Libyan rebels are having to come up with responses to those and related issues as they try to reopen schools in rebel-held Benghazi where in the past much of the curriculum was devoted to the wisdom of longtime ruler Colonel Muamma Gaddafi.

Before the uprising against him began in February, "Mushtama" and "Fikr-al-Jamahiri" weekly lessons based on the Gaddafi doctrine were mandatory and the leader's thinking permeated everything from history to Arabic textbooks, rebels say.

http://thestar.com.my/news/story.asp?file=/2011/5/9/worldupdates/2011-05-08T220222Z_01_NOOTR_RTRMDNC_0_-568599-1&sec=Worldupdates
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Iterate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-08-11 01:16 PM
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40. Good story.
I'll edit the other one for a new topic, although it is worth reading twice.
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Iterate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-08-11 01:13 PM
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39. Update from Zintan
Edited on Sun May-08-11 01:32 PM by Iterate
feb17voices

LPC #Jadu: 75 hanger weapons storage facility hit by NATO strikes south of Zintan #Libya #feb17

http://audioboo.fm/boos/351517-lpc-jadu-english-75-hanger-weapons-storage-facility-hit-by-nato-strikes-south-of-zintan-libya-feb17
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tabatha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-08-11 01:18 PM
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41. May8th [New video] Gaddafi's military build-up forces heading to kill civilians in Masrata
Edited on Sun May-08-11 01:22 PM by tabatha
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LUb8VA_jsA0

Translation:
The rebels have managed in the city of Misurata of getting video clips photographer columns huge forces Gaddafi which tends to Misurata, the source said of the rebels that these passages image then obtained from the mobile phone to a member of the squad that have been killed in combat in Misurata, adding that such a force was pushing them Misurata to last March in a desperate attempt to Gaddafi to impose its control on the city of Misurata, which managed to inflict a crushing defeat with the same forceThe rebels have managed in the city of Misurata of getting video clips photographer columns huge forces Gaddafi which tends to Misurata, the source said of the rebels that these passages image then obtained from the mobile phone to a member of the squad that have been killed in combat in Misurata, adding that such a force was pushing them Misurata to last March in a desperate attempt to Gaddafi to impose its control on the city of Misurata, which managed to inflict a crushing defeat with the same force.

Sh**t - Hope NATO is on top of this.

On edit - is this a "new" video of an old event?
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pinboy3niner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-08-11 01:28 PM
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43. Rebels deny regime broadcast claims that groups of Misrata rebels surrendered
Source: Reuters



Last Updated: Sunday, May 8, 2011, 17:55

...


The broadcast brought a swift rebuttal from rebels.


"This is a big lie. Nobody did this (surrendered) and nobody will do. We are steadfast and full of challenge. We will fight until the end even with our nails and teeth if we have to," said spokesman Ahmed Hassan.


He acknowledged the fuel tank attack was causing problems.


“The fuel is still burning and huge clouds of smoke are covering Misrata. This is causing breathing difficulties and threatens a major environmental problem in the city," he said.


An Italian ship came to help extinguish the fire but could not dock because the port is closed and rebels were now at a loss to know how to combat the fire, he said. The port has come under heavy shelling from pro-Gadafy forces.



http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/breaking/2011/0508/breaking43.html









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tabatha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-08-11 01:30 PM
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44. Libya rebel spokesman: NATO troops hit government weapons depots in Zintan
NATO launched air strikes on Sunday against a Libyan government weapons depot near the rebel-held town of Zintan and heavy fighting was reported near Misrata airport in western Libya, rebel spokesmen said.

Zintan is in the Western Mountains region that has seen escalating conflict between forces loyal to Muammar Gadhafi and rebels fighting to end his four decades in power.

"NATO struck weapons depots ... in an area which lies about 30 km southeast of Zintan. We heard a loud explosion ... I think the strike hit some of them (the depots)," the rebel spokesman who gave his name as Abdulrahman said by telephone.

http://www.haaretz.com/news/international/libya-rebel-spokesman-nato-troops-hit-government-weapons-depots-in-zintan-1.360570?localLinksEnabled=false
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Iterate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-08-11 01:46 PM
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46. Lampedusa: 400 Libyan migrants in dramatic sea rescue
Lampedusa: 400 Libyan migrants in dramatic sea rescue
8 May 2011 Last updated at 13:49 GMT

More than 400 migrants from Libya had to be rescued by Italian coast guards after their fishing boat hit rocks on the small island of Lampedusa.

TV images of the dramatic night-time rescue showed some migrants jumping or falling into the sea.

Others held on to ropes strung between the boat and the shoreline as Italian coast guards helped them to shore.

more with video:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-13326719


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pinboy3niner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-08-11 02:11 PM
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47. BREAKING: Darth Cheney still evil--slams Obama on torture policy, Libya
Excerpt from Think Progress report on Cheney's appearance today on what Jon Stewart calls "the Lupus of News":



Finally, Cheney had tough words for the Obama administration when it came to Libya. He smirked when Wallace mentioned the policy described as “leading from behind,” and admonished Obama for turning over operational control of the mission to NATO. He further tried to suggest weakness on the president’s part by telling Wallace, “the policy of the administration has been to hope for Gadaffi’s departure but not be prepared to do enough to make sure it happens.” Most gallingly, one week after Obama took decisive action to eliminate the world’s most notorious terrorist, Cheney said “it’s not clear to me that this administration is up to the task” of taking out Gadaffi.


Cheney Defends Torture, Says Administration ‘Not Up To The Task’ In Libya (w/ video)
http://thinkprogress.org/2011/05/08/cheney-defends-torture-says-administration-not-up-to-the-task-in-libya/









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tabatha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-08-11 02:17 PM
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48. Yeeech, do you have to sully this thread with that name?
Edited on Sun May-08-11 02:20 PM by tabatha
:-) :hi:

I know, I know it's in the news - but Cheney may not have noticed that NATO is running the Libya NFZ.
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pinboy3niner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-08-11 02:30 PM
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50. LOL, sorry
But it helps to be reminded how lucky we are not to have HIM in the Oval Office now.

I'm expecting to hear from Darth Vader demanding an apology for the insult of equating Cheney with him. :)


:hi:







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BOG PERSON Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-08-11 03:45 PM
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52. i can't believe this thing has dragged out to 80+ days.
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tabatha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-08-11 04:37 PM
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55. It won't stop until Gaddafi has no more
hardware to use against the rebels.
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-08-11 09:52 PM
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60.  .. and noting the landmines, perhaps in the harbor of Misrata now ....
landmines that keep on doing harm ---

I do remember when we were shocked to think this may go 50 days --

I don't know -- the demands of the people -- the evidence of "daffi's" violence/

genocide -- seems there should be a better way to do this than forcing everyone

to more violence.

And, I wonder if daffi is still being resupplied with weapons from via Chad --
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catchnrelease Donating Member (359 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-08-11 04:02 PM
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54. Kick and
thanks for keeping the information coming!!
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pinboy3niner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-08-11 05:30 PM
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56. CURRENT TIME IN LIBYA = 12:30 AM MONDAY, MAY 9
Libya time = EDT +6 hours, PDT +9 hours, GMT +2 hours







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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-08-11 09:56 PM
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61. K/R -- Libya Hurra !!
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MedleyMisty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-08-11 07:14 PM
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58. K & R
Been dealing with personal issues for a few days. Glad to see you guys keeping it up. Off to get caught up.
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tabatha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-08-11 08:19 PM
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59. Gerhard Heinz - Al Jazeera blog commenter

why is nato waiting so long to knock out this bunker.
daffis compounds are hit in the last days several times ,and daffi lost a lot of his amu depots.
this bunker is swiss build and daffi think it is a shure place to store his amu there.
over the last week there are198 truck loads of amu bring from other depots to this place
this aktion finish last night.
why to hit earlyer?
sorry for the soldiers there but it was quick




the amu was stored in a deep bunker,
and this give exakt this effekt.
if amu stored in normal buildings the pressure from follow explosions have a way out
in this case the bunker is like a big bomb hold the pressure back up to the point of eruption.



situation in tripoli
daffis troops concentrate on town-center.
30 tanks and a lot of 4x4
ithink they feel something is coming
from the outskirts of tripoli
the criminals who are still alive must hide somewhere there .
nobody from goverment is working
mafia-clan run out of sources



about this big explosion
nato hit a amu depot
noth of the mountain area
this depot is a bunker depot
penetration bomb hit
and about 1400 tons of amu join the explosion there are also some scud warheads in as reported
fragmets of the bunker reach a high from about 3km pilot report
dust and smoke in a shockwave about 6000m
hole in the ground 830x670m




misrara east
daffis forces try an attack with 16 tanks and 24 bmp 35 trucks with troops coming from compound west of sirte .
on the way to misrata they lost 11 tanks 16 bmp and 29 trucks .try than to attack and was beaten back,
and have a new air strike wipe out the rest . 2 trrucks come back to the compound
crazy aktion from a crazy officer ,by day and under natos eyes,


http://blogs.aljazeera.net/live/africa/libya-live-blog
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Yosarian71 Donating Member (185 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-08-11 11:22 PM
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62. Yet if you read Reuters

http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/05/08/us-libya-idUSTRE7270JP20110508

If you read Reuters, it appears the rebels are on the verge of a total defeat. Reuters presented the absurd Libyan State TV story about mass surrenders in Misrata and the rebels denial as two differing opinions, instead of one being a total fantasy and one being a reality.

Every Reuters article refers to Misrata as the "last rebel held city in the West", which might as well come straight from Gaddafi's mouth. Why not state that the rebels hold 2 of the 3 largest cities in Libya and virtually all of the mountains? Gaddafi is ruler of the city-state of Tripoli and some of the surrounding area at this point, with an outpost in the central coast.

Does Reuters have an agenda? Why are their reports so consistently biased?

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joshcryer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-08-11 11:51 PM
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63. Day 81 here:
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