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HysteryDiagnosis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-06-11 07:21 PM
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Need a biologist to debunk
Edited on Fri May-06-11 07:27 PM by HysteryDiagnosis
ON EDIT TO ADD VIDEO IN GERMAN: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XL6K6a_Ls54

If this is true:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19607845
Math Biosci. 2009 Sep;221(1):60-76. Epub 2009 Jul 14.
An algebraic hypothesis about the primeval genetic code architecture.
Sánchez R, Grau R.
Source

Research Institute of Tropical Roots, Tuber Crops and Plantains (INIVIT), Biotechnology Group, Villa Clara, Cuba.
Abstract

A plausible architecture of an ancient genetic code is derived from an extended base triplet vector space over the Galois field of the extended base alphabet {D,A,C,G,U}, where symbol D represents one or more hypothetical bases with unspecific pairings. We hypothesized that the high degeneration of a primeval genetic code with five bases and the gradual origin and improvement of a primeval DNA repair system could make possible the transition from ancient to modern genetic codes.


Our results suggest that the Watson-Crick base pairing G identical with C and A=U and the non-specific base pairing of the hypothetical ancestral base D used to define the sum and product operations are enough features to determine the coding constraints of the primeval and the modern genetic code, as well as, the transition from the former to the latter. Geometrical and algebraic properties of this vector space reveal that the present codon assignment of the standard genetic code could be induced from a primeval codon assignment.

Besides, the Fourier spectrum of the extended DNA genome sequences derived from the multiple sequence alignment suggests that the called period-3 property of the present coding DNA sequences could also exist in the ancient coding DNA sequences. The phylogenetic analyses achieved with metrics defined in the N-dimensional vector space (B(3))(N) of DNA sequences and with the new evolutionary model presented here also suggest that an ancient DNA coding sequence with five or more bases does not contradict the expected evolutionary history.

PMID:
19607845


Could there be anything to this??
http://www.urzeitcode.com/index.php?id=19

Title of the lecture of Daniel M. Ebner, Switzerland, at the "World Mysteries Forum" 2008 in Basel:
"Primeval Code" - reactivated!

Can the global food problem at last be solved without using genetic engineering? This new book by Swiss journalist Luc Bürgin unveils the secret of a sensational biological discovery at the pharmaceutical giant Ciba (now Novartis), which unfortunately has been ignored by the experts up to the present day. In laboratory experiments the researchers there Dr. Guido Ebner and Heinz Schürch exposed cereal seeds and fish eggs to an "electrostatic field" in other words, to a high voltage field, in which no current flows.
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NYC_SKP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-06-11 07:30 PM
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1. Not a biologist, I'm a generalist.
It seems plausible that an electrostatic field could be used to interrupt the normal development of nuclei during cellular reproduction, and that the "memory" of past forms of an organism are coded into the DNA of more contemporary ones.

I bitterly contest, however, that such techniques, if successful, could have a meaningful impact on the global food supply.

Larger yields means more rapid depletion of nutrients.

There is no free lunch, so to speak.

:patriot:
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HysteryDiagnosis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-06-11 07:32 PM
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2. But if the corn needed no pesticides.... and other things that aren't good for the
environment... well that's one of the claims for the corn anyway.
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NYC_SKP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-06-11 09:46 PM
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5. Small benefit that could be had in a more natural way. BUT-----
It still fascinates me, this topic.

Witness the human embryo in all it forms, the stages of development resemble past forms of life that lead up to our present form (including having a tail), and the fact that the salinity of our blood is nearly identical to that of the ocean.

As to the need to solve the global food problem, the problem is that human population has exceeded the carrying capacity of the planet.

No amount of technological development can change that.

We gotta be fewer in number.

Period.

:P
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HysteryDiagnosis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-07-11 08:19 AM
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6. Yes the past is represented in the developing embryo, and what if, and this is
a rather large what if, our future, yet another quantum leap in our genetic storyline, is yet to come and what if it is triggered by celestial events not spoken of in recorded history??? Now wouldn't that be the bees knees?
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Capitalocracy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-06-11 07:33 PM
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3. Don't know anything about it at all.
But I'd say the same thing I say about GM crops... test it before you put it on my dinner plate, please.
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Rabblevox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-06-11 09:34 PM
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4. The guy doesn't even have a degree and works as a "management consultant...
yup, sure where I'd turn for cutting edge biological research. Seriously peeps, Google your sources!
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HysteryDiagnosis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-07-11 08:21 AM
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7. Yup, make Einstein's job as a patent clerk put him in the 5th percentile. n/t
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hobbit709 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-07-11 08:30 AM
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8. Einstein had a degree though.
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HysteryDiagnosis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-07-11 08:33 AM
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9. And Matt Damon in Good Will Hunting was a janitor, not too hard to imagine
genius in those who might not be what you'd expect them to be. Please consider this and yes it is wooful.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=439&topic_id=1055060&mesg_id=1057705
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