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KamaAina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-02-11 11:37 PM
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Well, now the tables are turned. Any Canadians looking to come to sanity in the Lower 48?
Edited on Mon May-02-11 11:52 PM by KamaAina
I'm a hetero single male in California, one of our very finest states (provinces). All the CDs (ridings) in the Santa Clara Valley are Democratic (roughly, Liberal; remember them?), as are our two Senators.

And to think I was getting excited about all this up North. :cry:

edit: We even have hockey! Our Sharks are up 2-0 on Detroit in the Western Conference semi. :-)
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Dawson Leery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-02-11 11:39 PM
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1. Horrible and only wit 39.5% of the vote.
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murphyj87 Donating Member (570 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-03-11 12:54 AM
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10. If you had 5 parties.....
If you had 5 parties, as we have in Canada, the same thing would happen often in the United States.
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Commie Pinko Dirtbag Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-03-11 01:09 AM
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14. ...IF they implemented this fucked first-past-the-post system. -nt
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msongs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-02-11 11:39 PM
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2. next Canada will get an invasion of toxic fundies with free bibles for every candadian nt
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Sen. Walter Sobchak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-02-11 11:40 PM
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3. funny you mention that,
I am eligible for the Canadian equivalent of a green card, all of the sudden it is much less appealing.
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Fiendish Thingy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-02-11 11:47 PM
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4. I'm still emigrating...
Hopefully this summer, I'm just a little less enthusiastic now
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gateley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-02-11 11:48 PM
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5. What are you guys referring to? Thanks. nt
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Armstead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-02-11 11:50 PM
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6. Canadian election -- Conservatives won majority
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MattBaggins Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-03-11 11:28 AM
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47. They won a Plurality
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polly7 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-03-11 12:05 AM
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7. No, but thanks for the kind offer.
We already have the social programs and health-care in place ... it's just a matter of trying to stop him from dismantling them, I don't think he can do too much there in the time he has. I fear most for his enthusiasm for the tarsands and selling out more of our resources than already have been. I can't stand the man and am supremely pissed ... but we've just got to work hard to limit the POS'S damage for the next few years.
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Amonester Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-03-11 12:05 AM
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8. harper will piss off Quebecers to the point they will vote the PQ in
next time they'll have a chance

Well done, Canadian lefties....
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murphyj87 Donating Member (570 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-03-11 12:51 AM
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9. You must be kidding.....
Edited on Tue May-03-11 12:57 AM by murphyj87
That any Canadian would go to a reactionary place like the United States, which is 50 years behind Canada, is ridiculous. Until you have a universal single payer health care system in the United States, at the very least, no Canadian would go to the United States, and have insurance company bureaucrats, instead of physicians as we have in Canada, making our medical decisions. I'm in no way a Stephen Harper or Conservative fan, but even at his worst, Stephen Harper and his Conservatives are way to the left of American Republicans. Stephen Harper is an American Republican wannabe, but compared to real American Republicans, he is almost a Democrat. I'm sure Americans can't understand that, but no Canadian politician would dare change Canada's health care system into an American insurance run one, and when examined, the Conservative agenda is nowhere near the American Republican one.

As Elizabeth May said... Amateurs built the Ark. Professionals built the Titanic.

American politicians are the ultimate professionals.
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Grey Donating Member (933 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-03-11 01:02 AM
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11. You rock, Murphy.
Tell them like it is......
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laundry_queen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-03-11 01:07 AM
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13. Good edit! I loved that quote when I heard it tonight. nt
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Oasis_ Donating Member (201 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-03-11 01:17 AM
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15. Is there any appreciation
for the fact Canada has almost no standing army and relies completely on the United States for your protection?

How about a nice "thanks" instead of the smug condescension?

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fujiyama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-03-11 01:21 AM
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16. To their credit though
they don't go out of their way to piss people off. Invading other countries tends to do that.
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murphyj87 Donating Member (570 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-03-11 01:24 AM
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17. The United States.....
Edited on Tue May-03-11 01:27 AM by murphyj87
The United States is the greatest, really the only threat to Canada, Canadians, and the Canadian way of life. Unless the US military is willing to attack the US, it is not protecting Canada in any way. Americans think they are the saviors, while we, as most nations, consider the United States as a real threat.
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Oasis_ Donating Member (201 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-03-11 01:34 AM
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20. That's amusing
If the United States didn't provided effective deterrent, Canada would be an old Soviet Union satellite.

You possess zero defense capability. None. You're weaklings.

It's on scale with Popeye protecting Olive Oil, really.

Oasis
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murphyj87 Donating Member (570 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-03-11 01:39 AM
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22. Amusing but very true....
Edited on Tue May-03-11 01:59 AM by murphyj87
The United States, and it's 19th century reactionary thinking, is the only real threat to Canada. Never think that the US military protects Canada. The US is a foreign nation, whose military is not welcome in Canada.

You forget that if Canada sat on it's hands during the first three years of WWII like the US did (and the US would have sat on it's hands all of the war if the Japanese hadn't attacked you), if it weren't for Canada and Canadians, you'd be speaking German now. The only army to make large advances into enemy territory on D-Day were the Canadians at Juno Beach, not Americans.

My father was a mechanical engineer who worked in weapons development and testing for the Canadian and British Navy, and he developed anti submarine weapons from 1939 to 1942, which the US navy were very glad to use when the Americans got into the war over three years late.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-03-11 02:24 AM
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polly7 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-03-11 02:34 AM
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38. LOL, That's some inferiority-complex you've got - you might wanna get some
help, or learn some history. I have a feeling getting help would be the most doable .... eh???
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murphyj87 Donating Member (570 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-03-11 02:42 AM
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40. Only in the distorted mirror which Americans look at themselves in
Edited on Tue May-03-11 02:47 AM by murphyj87
Only in the distorted mirror which Americans look at themselves in. You have no idea of the contribution of Canada and Canadians. You probably have no idea how many Canadian inventions, discoveries, and developments you hear about and use each day and falsely think they are American.

Did you know that the implanted pacemaker was a Canadian invention? Did you know that total body cooling for cardiac surgery, which is used every day, is a Canadian development? Did you know that the first surgical treatment for epilepsy was done in Montreal? Did you know that the zipper was a Canadian invention? Did you know that basketball was developed by a Canadian? Did you know that the electron microscope was a Canadian invention? Did you know that IMAX was a Canadian invention? Did you know that the machine gun tracer bullet was a Canadian invention?

http://www.canadianmedicinenews.com/2007/11/canadas-greatest-medical-research.html

http://www3.sympatico.ca/taniah/Canada/things/
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KamaAina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-03-11 11:08 AM
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43. You forgot insulin
:-)
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demwing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-03-11 11:25 AM
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46. Oasis speaks for Oasis
not for me, not for America.

Just reaffirming what I hope is already obvious to you ... :)
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LiberalAndProud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-03-11 11:37 AM
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49. Blackberry? I thought I had read that was a Canadian product as well.
I wish I had learned that much sooner.
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Amonester Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-03-11 02:04 AM
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27. oooops.... (this reply went to the wrong place) n t
Edited on Tue May-03-11 02:05 AM by Amonester
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polly7 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-03-11 02:06 AM
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30. How old are you ............ 12? nt.
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murphyj87 Donating Member (570 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-03-11 02:27 AM
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36. Once he's pushing 65 like me.....
Once he's pushing 65 like me I think his ideas might have changed, if he lives that long with American insurance run health care. An insurance company bureaucrat probably will deny or ration his health care long before that, and especially after Ryan abolishes Medicare, and he has no health care if he even makes it to 65.
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polly7 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-03-11 02:39 AM
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39. Hopefully U.S. health-care will have evolved to where it helps him
or her by that age. Of course if Harper gets his wish, ours will be on the road to privatization so we can afford the glorious big bombs and machines that kill so well. Makes me sick to think about.
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KamaAina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-03-11 11:20 AM
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45. Huh?
Whenever the world needs peacekeeping troops, as opposed to invading and occupying countries with oil or whatnot, Canada's there with bells on.
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laundry_queen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-03-11 01:24 AM
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18. LOL!
Edited on Tue May-03-11 01:25 AM by laundry_queen
The only reason we need any protection at all is because we're your friend! And no way will I thank you for the military industrial complex/war machine you've created. Sorry. And you're welcome for the oil.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-03-11 01:34 AM
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murphyj87 Donating Member (570 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-03-11 01:43 AM
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23. No, no appreciation at all for your interference.......
Canada does not need the US or it's military.
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Amonester Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-03-11 01:55 AM
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26. harper plans to create (or maintain) jobs in the U.S. by ordering....
F-35 fighter jets (for an estimated 35 billions).

thanks for your gratitude, pal... :sarcasm:
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polly7 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-03-11 02:05 AM
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28. Our protection from who?
No 'thanks' necessary. We'll worry about and take care of ourselves when the time comes.

How about not being such a smug asshole?
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Amonester Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-03-11 02:06 AM
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29. Oh, and if you wanna link.....
There: http://f-35.ca /

Maybe it will teach you something you obviously R ignorant about and makes you look stupid.
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murphyj87 Donating Member (570 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-03-11 02:13 AM
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31. That was the budget that was defeated,,,,,
Edited on Tue May-03-11 02:15 AM by murphyj87
Just because Harper has a majority government doesn't give him free reign. Canada does not have a President who can do things unilaterally. Canada has a Prime Minister in a Parliamentary system.
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Amonester Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-03-11 02:19 AM
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32. I didn't "hear" the Liberal leader promissing to do away with this....
Edited on Tue May-03-11 02:22 AM by Amonester
(probably un-necessary) 'purchase' and if he did, please provide me the link to it.

I think I heard the NDP was going to cancel it though (IF they were to be voted in power or form a coalition gov.).

That neocon budget will pass now (ever thought about that?).
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murphyj87 Donating Member (570 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-03-11 02:24 AM
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34. The opposition can create enough friction..
The opposition can create enough friction to even turn back parts of the agenda of a majority government. This is a Parliamentary, not a Presidential system.
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Amonester Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-03-11 02:33 AM
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37. I sure hope you're right.
Although, with :puke: harper now in majority, he can pass anything he wants. For 4 years. He's got the number of Yays he needs and every single MP who 'might' not tow the party line 'could' be tossed out of the caucus.

he's gonna piss the Canadian electorate long before 2015.... though.

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Moral_Imagination Donating Member (161 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-03-11 02:22 AM
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33. Right wing talking point FAIL
go away.
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krabigirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-03-11 01:52 AM
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24. seriously.
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murphyj87 Donating Member (570 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-03-11 01:54 AM
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25. Yes, seriously
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laundry_queen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-03-11 01:06 AM
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12. Stephen Harper
would have to have 40 years of consecutive majority governments for Canada to even begin to resemble the US. I still have universal health care (he won't touch that, yet, anyway) and now my official opposition is a socialist party. I think I'll stay here. But I do appreciate the offer. :)
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murphyj87 Donating Member (570 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-03-11 01:35 AM
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21. Until the US can elect 102 Bernie Sanders' out of 308 seats like we did with the NDP..
Edited on Tue May-03-11 02:16 AM by murphyj87
Canada will continue to be be way more progressive than the United States, and put the US to shame.
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Ramulux Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-03-11 02:55 AM
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41. Are you joking?
The rise of the NDP might be the greatest thing I have ever seen. Canada's political system now has an opposition party that people can actually respect and makes the democrats look like flaming conservatives.

Jack Layton is like Obama X 100. He might be the coolest politician ever. He and his party basically made neo-liberalism non-existent and toxic in Canada. It would be like if a party made up of Bernie Sanders' took down the democratic party and made them irrelevant. I would love to be a Canadian right about now, I expect things swill be very interesting in coming years.
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KamaAina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-03-11 11:12 AM
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44. Well, sort of
during the long national nightmare that was the Bush years, many of us, quite seriously, were looking into moving North, as it appeared the U.S. might no longer be livable for us. Hopefully your national nightmare won't be as toxic; it certainly won't be as long (though five years is more than enough time for them to do serious damage :( ).
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-03-11 05:52 AM
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42. I'm still urging my sons to move there.
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Zorra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-03-11 11:28 AM
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48. Another disaster of continental proportions. nt
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Dappleganger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-03-11 11:44 AM
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50. LOL
Funniest post today on DU.

It reminds me of the old sign saying, "A bad day fishing is better than a good day working."
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