Negative Nelly and Debbie Downer just showed up at my bin Laden is Dead party

[KurtNYC]

Debbie Downer wants to tell us all what Fox is saying and how this is going to make Al Qaida mad. Negative Nelly says it can't be true because we should have taken him alive, flown him to the set of Court TV, put him on trial for months, paraded the body around. Now Debbie says OBL's death is "meaningless". etc etc etc.

My friends and neighbors died on 9/11. My father was in an airplane headed for NYC on the morning of 9/11 (they landed in Pittsburg). And many of my friends lost their jobs after 9/11. I was injured by parts of a ceiling that fell on me during the 1993 attack, the first attack on the WTC.

So if you wonder why I am partying in the streets (instead of here) -- it is because I've heard enough from these 2.


edit to add for clarity: my father's plane landed safely in Pittsburg that morning

[treestar]

1. Especially the trial one, since he was not going to be taken alive

It's like demanding a trial for the hijackers, in essence.

[liberalmuse]

2. Pompous Paul...

Is telling anyone feeling happy that bin Laden is dead that we are bloodthirsty savages. You know what? I'm glad the guy is dead and I'm glad the 9/11 families and the families of all the troops who died in Bush's wars have a little bit of closure today.

[ladyVet]

3. First of all,

:hug: for your losses.

Although I would rather have had a trial (at the Hague, not here) for bin Laden as well as for Bush*, Cheney, et. al., I understand how you feel.

I don't know who you're referring to, but piss on 'em and go back to your celebration, because after all, the son of a bitch is dead and it's not meaningless. :party:

[Dennis Donovan]

4. Recommended - I celebrate alongside of you Kurt...

I was a hundred miles north of NYC on 9/11, but watched it unfold live on my TV. I still recall when 1 WTC came down, concluding the cascade of destruction (7 WTC, notwithstanding); I dropped to my knees and pounded the floor in anger. I then looked up and they were flashing OBL's picture on the screen. I shook my fist at the TV and gulped, "you've really done it now , you mother fucker! You're fucking TOAST!" 10 years later, and his death is still as satisfying as if he died on 9/12.

I celebrate with you, Kurt. This is a good day.:patriot:

[KurtNYC]

14. thanks -- I went down the street to buy groceries bc I was concerned

after the 2nd plane hit that our bridges would be targeted. I don't go into denial, I just act. After 1993 I and many others believed that the WTC would be hit again and when I saw the smoking hole on TV that morning I knew 'today is the day.' I was on the street when the WTC fell, there was a rumbling like an earthquake and a gasp from those watching TVs inside of businesses in the area. Didn't hear from my father for about 7 hours -- they had to circle and land and then he scrambled with others to get any of the remaining rental cars in Pittsburgh.

[bread_and_roses]

5. I am sorry for your losses. And for the losses of the 100's of thousands we've killed

in our insane "war on terror." I don't have any quarrel with anyone's personal feelings of vengeance satisfied. Humans are human. I do quarrel with the notion that is it acceptable for a country supposedly based on a "rule of law" to engage in assassination as a tactic.

[pintobean]

10. Assassination?

He declared war on us. He had no country, he was a general. Was it an assassination when we shot down Yamamoto's plane?

[reggie the dog]

30. While i am not celebrating I would consider his killing

simply an act of war. I would have liked to hear what he had to say in a trial but understand that he would not have come willingly.

Politicians are assassinated, warlords are killed in battle. Osama was killed in battle.

[ScreamingMeemie]

6. While Jingoistic Jenny is lamenting that it is the troops and ONLY the

TROOPS that should be thanked. Never mind that Obama is the commander of the troops.

[fujiyama]

9. I was thinking that was Sour Sarah

and Mad Michelle.

[Burma Jones]

7. Party On Kurt!!!

I was living up in Westchester on 9/11, my little brother was at NYU, my wife was with my 3yo son and 1 yo daughter in the Bronx on their way downtown and turned around before the Henry Hudson Bridge, but I didn't know that until she got home. My Brother spent a week with us and we took him back and walked past several fire houses on the walk from Washington Square down to visit the site.

I live outside of DC now......I'm a happy guy today.

Peace.

[Solomon]

8. If you research posts, you will see that most of the Debbie Downers

are people who have invested in Obama's "failure." They decry anything that might make Obama look good. In this instance they are running to some "moral highground" from which to launch sanctimonious missiles.

Once again, it's a "so what" "this does nothing" blah blah blah, except it's laced with self-righteous bullcrap - "how dare you celebrate someone's death?"

[Hissyspit]

11. How is "I do not CELEBRATE the intentional killing of one human being by another"

self-righteous bullcrap?

I do not celebrate the intentional killing of one human by another. Period.

Relief? Sure. Resignation? Sure. Celebration? No. Recognition of the intrinsic possibility of taking a life in self-defense of another life or one's own? Sure.

Nothing self-righteous about it at all. I have lived too long and seen too much of human nature to think that it is desirable to celebrate the failure sof human nature.

By the way, other persons who lived in NYC or who have had loved ones killled have expressed differences of opinion with the OP in reaction to this news.

[dana_b]

20. well said

there seem to be a lot of generalizations going around and it is not helpful or necessary.

[Dappleganger]

13. Happy to blow your theory and broad-based bashing of fellow DU'ers.

[Last_Stand]

15. Bullshit... n/t

[Bobbie Jo]

16. +1000

[reggie the dog]

31. the general consensus here in france

from the right and the left, is that celbrating death is kind of barbaric. Celebrating bloodshed and death are not on top of my list of ideals either. it is a free country, celebrate if you want, but do not tell us that it is self righteous if we think it is inappropriate to do so. i, for one, dont want my kid to think someone being killed is a reason to have a party. if you want to enjoy some kind of blood feud then go for it but do not be surprised when many people are aghast by your actions.

[mreilly]

12. As meanwhile Revisionist Republican Richard...

.... is racing around SCREAMING that Bush did all the heavy lifting, Obama did nothing, this is all to Bush's credit, Bush deserves a parade, Bush was right about everything, Bush should be on Mt. Rushmore... oh, and Obama is an awful slime for trying to take credit for the hard work that precious George W. Bush did, impeach Obama, Obama's still a Muslim born in Kenya, blah blah blah blah blah.

You know what? Fuck the Republican shits. Fuck them. They are always going to shriek their little heads off about anything Obama does, even if its killing Osama Bin Laden. Turning their snotty little noses up, desperately trying to think up some alternate reality where the last Republican President can somehow receive credit for current events despite having left office over 2 years ago. Oh, but of course a former (or current) Democratic President will never receive credit for anything positive, only the blame.

Fuck. The. Republicans.

[jp11]

17. Yeah those people should shut the hell up.

[KurtNYC]

19. people can post what they like

But even the Zen Buddhists believe that this life is lived in the physical plane. Ideas, ideals, and what-should-be are necessary parts of moral guidance but OBL no longer walks in this world. He finally reaped what HE sowed.

[gratuitous]

22. Will we reap what we have sown?

And will we deserve it every bit as much as bin Laden? How should we receive our just deserts? With rueful equanimity or violent outrage that we have been repaid in the same coin with which we paid others? How likely are we to be all Zen about it, do you suppose?

[KurtNYC]

24. What did I, personally, do to a sect of fanatical Saudi Wahhabis or

the ISI of Pakistan to deserve to be attacked twice? And what did my neighbors on these posters do besides go to work on a Tuesday in September:



This is the real world, the physical plane. Not some ivory tower with harps and butterflies.

[gratuitous]

28. So, nothing the United States did provoked the 9/11 attacks?

Wow, who's living in an ivory tower?

[reggie the dog]

34. individually they probably did nothing

but our tax money was used to do plenty of horrible shit.

plus how many photos of people who were killed by our bombs are there in irak or afghanistan (2 countries which had nothing to do with planning or carrying out the 911 attack)

can you imagine all the people in chile, argentina, houduras, nicaragua, greneda, vietnam, iran, saudi arabia, libya, egypt, palestine etc have been killed because of totalitarian regimes we supported and helped put in place.


none of your friends deserved to die, none of the people in that photo you posted deserved to die, but none of the people killed by US economic policy across the world deserved to die either. we are not some special chosen people because we are american. our lives do not have more value than the lives of other people.

[reggie the dog]

33. we reaped what we had sown on 9-11

had the USA not supported dictators around the world for decades, and killed millions of civilians around the world in the hot parts of the cold war there would not have been so many people willing to attack us and our own crooked regime could not have used the 911 plan in conjunction with their own neocon dreams.

we were attacked on 911 because we supported assholes who hurt their own people so long as those assholes did business with us and often times helped attack the governments elected by the people and put dictators in. had we not done that across the middle east and latin america i doubt that 911 would have ever happened.

[KittyWampus]

18. you didn't mention Conspiracy Connor. Do I need to even explain?

[StarburstClock]

21. Have a lot of pretend friends?

I feel sorry for people with mental illnesses.

[Rebubula]

23. Wow...

...I responded to a post you placed in another thread where you touted that you, by design, have no republican friends. As if being aligned with only people that think like you gives you street cred.


Now I see that you have professed a poster (with a decent and well thought out post) to be mentally ill.


You sir (and I expect this post as well as yours to be deleted) are an immature douche. I would bet that you are under the age of 25 as your posts are very immature.

[mfcorey1]

25. Don't forget "Doubting Thomas" who has been around for awhile.

[Raffi Ella]

26. seriously, this place sucks!

I'm so freakin happy we shot that motherfucker through the face, so proud to be an American SO ELATED that finally Obama got it right and that there were no American casualties - but then here at DU we have the PC police and the mourners who invade every.fucking.thread-

You don't have the right to dictate how I fucking feel or how I react. You don't have the right to judge me or anyone else for the way they're reacting to this!

It's TRAGIC that we aren't being allowed to celebrate this at D.U., of all places! God Dammit it's just not fair!

I say make the movie so I can see for myself what happened, see for myself that crazed fucking pig shot in the face and killed! I can't wait!

Go AMERICA! GO OBAMA! YES WE FUCKING DID! HALLELUJAH!

[quinnox]

27. Jesus, calm down

No one is preventing you from having a patriotic orgy fest. WTF are you talking about, there are tons of threads doing just what you want. As if everyone is going to feel the same freakin way you do about this!

[reggie the dog]

35. of course we have a right to judge the acts of others

you do the same when you say that we are pc police. i happen to think that celebrating death is a sign of barbarianism. i didnt like seeing videos of people celebrating when we were attacked and i see no reason for us to celebrate when he is attacked. I am glad that he is no longer able to organize war against us. I am glad obama gave a damn about osama unlike W. but i dont see why you want to celebrate. So one of the many many people plotting to attack the usa has been killed. ok. why the celebration? he is just one guy, just the spokesman for the organization.

ps if you watch a movie to see what happened you only get some producers and directors version, now if they have video from the shoulder of the navy seals that is different, we could indeed see and i would probalby watch the video once my kid was asleep.

i must be all pc right? with my reefer leaf logo and my direct way of speaking my mind.

celebrate if you want but do not be surprised when some people think that your blood celebration is in poor taste.

[Raffi Ella]

36. ROFL

I would like to take this opportunity to thank both the people that responded to me with their lectures for proving my point, beautifully I might add.

I have enough respect and decency to stay out of threads that annoyed me, that I didn't share the same feeling with etc. I posted in this thread BECAUSE it was a thread that I could express said sentiment in with a like minded DU-er-

And STILL - you "invade.every.fucking.thread."

:eyes: :eyes: :eyes:

[reggie the dog]

37. invade?

[reggie the dog]

38. i thought the point was to discuss stuff here at d u

and not just with those people who think the same way we do.

where was i dispespectful and indecent?

[LynneSin]

29. I just heard on the Ed show that we also got Obama's Hard Drive....

that is amazing stuff that'll last for years

[Bonobo]

32. "Obama's hard drive"???

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: