CNN/ORC Poll: Dem support for Obama's re-election fades

[ProSense]

CNN/ORC Poll: Dem support for Obama's re-election fades

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Seven in 10 Democrats say they'd like to see Obama as their party's presidential nominee next year.

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That figure may seem promising, but support for Obama's re-nomination has fallen 11 percentage points since June.

Despite the decline, history is on Obama's side. "In 1994, only 57% of Democrats wanted the party to renominate Bill Clinton, and he went on to win the nomination and a second term two years later," said CNN Polling Director Keating Holland.

Without a prominent primary challenger, Obama's bid for re-election seems to be safe for now. But of those losing faith, the poll reveals that moderate Democrats are more likely than liberals to say the party should nominate someone else and younger Democrats are more likely to favor a new nominee than those who are older.

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Well, there you have it. Obama needs to win back moderates. If he can, support for his re-nomination will return to eight in 10 Democrats.

August and the debt ceiling debate took a toll.

[rpannier]

1. K&R

[Supply Side Jesus]

2. I'm sure it's just an outlier

nothing to see here...... move along now... nothing to see... honesty...

[patrice]

3. He showed us something about Congress that we needed to know, but it cost him to do it. Even his

supporters want him to be stronger.

[vroomvroom]

4. In Other Words, it's saying Obama should shift MORE RIGHT (to win moderates)...truly baffling.

Explains why Obama is so in love with Republican talking points because it seems polls like these seem to say Obama is not being right leaning enough with his already right obsessions. Hey if that is what democrat voters want these days -- to be more like republicans -- then i dont blame Obama for being so weak as a leader.

[jeff47]

5. Only if you don't dig into the details

Dem-leaning independents and moderate Dems actually want him to fight Republicans more. As in, go left. In fact, they're more pissed about the lack of fight than the self-identified liberals.

[TheWraith]

23. No, in fact this poll says nothing of the kind. Please stop making things up.

There is NO such data in this poll. And previous polls which DID ask that question showed that more people thought Obama should be more conservative, not people demanding he be more liberal.

[ClassWarrior]

6. Avoid the "Centrist Trap"...

Via email (a long time ago):

For progressives to succeed in taking back this country, we need to stay true to our values and communicate them effectively. To accomplish this mission, we need to be aware of the traps that have often tripped up progressives in the past.

In this preview of the new book, Thinking Points: Communicating Our American Values and Vision, A Progressive's Handbook by George Lakoff and the Rockridge Institute, we present twelve traps to avoid as we make our case to restore an America that is true to its best principles.

Twelve Traps to Avoid...

...7. The Centrist Trap

There is a common belief that there is an ideological "center"--a large group of voters either with a consistent ideology of their own or lined up left to right on the issues or forming a "mainstream," all with the same positions on issues. In fact, the so-called center is actually made up of biconceptuals, people who are conservative in some aspects of life and progressive in others. Voters who self-identify as "conservative" often have significant progressive values in important areas of life. We should address these "partial progressive" biconceptuals through their progressive identities, which are often systematic and extensive.

A common mistaken ideology has convinced many progressives that they must "move to the right" to get more votes. In reality, this is counterproductive. By moving to the right, progressives actually help activate the right's values and give up on their own. In the process, they also alienate their base.

(Excerpted from Chapter One of Thinking Points. The book is available to download for free at http://www.cognitivepolicyworks.com/resource-center/thinking-points)

NGU.

[CrazyBob]

24. That's good stuff!

You should post it as a separate thread. Would be good for discussion.

[FrenchieCat]

7. If we just work at it hard enough and long enough.......

I think we can get her done; let the Republicans win....
and then Blame one man for our misery for the 8 years thereafter.

It's ok to feel the pain, as long as one can blame someone else for it.

So the Morans will vote 3rd party or not vote at all; in essence they will be
like their Republican brethens; voting against their better interest. Brilliant
price for hurt feelings.

[jeff47]

8. Because Obama is utterly powerless.

He's just a scrap of paper, aloft on a breeze. Going wherever the wind takes him, completely unable to alter his course.

[Sheepshank]

15. This must be one of those constructive/disappointing posts

vs. useless critism.

:sarcasm:

You know, the type of posts that makes one a good Dem and not a dumbass sycophant Dem

:sarcasm:

[jeff47]

18. I'm not the one blaming voters for the results of Obama's actions. (nt)

[bigdarryl]

9. Must be a slow news day this poll is total BULLSHIT

I bet if you asked that same question back when Bill Clinton was President running for reelection you would have gotten the same response.

[Douglas Carpenter]

10. EXACTLY!! He should demanded REAL cuts in Social Security and Medicare

and taken a strong stand against the public option from the beginning and a made firm commitment for MORE tax cuts for the upper 2%!! And tell the SEC to get off Wall Streets back!! That will win back the moderates for sure!!

[Sheepshank]

16. See post #15 n/t

[JoePhilly]

11. I've been explaining this for a long time now .... the only message in the media is "Obama Bad".

The right wing media claims Obama is bad, because he is a socialist commie Kenyan, who hates America.

The left wing media claims Obama is bad, because is is a corporatist, secret Republican, who hates America.

The media brings on people who will take these positions, and then debate which one is the real reason that Obama is bad.

Those moderate Dems hear nothing but "Obama is bad" from the right and the left.

And they conclude that, clearly he must be bad.

[paulk]

14. that's a pretty shallow analysis

Moderate Dems watch the news, they pay attention - as a poster upthread points out, from the poll - it's moderates that want Obama to fight back against the Republicans even moreso than liberals.

[bornskeptic]

19. There is nothing like that in the poll.

It only includes one opinion question, and a largely incomplete demographic breakdown. But of course most people don't look at the full poll results, and are willing to believe anything they read as long as they like the sound of it.

[paulk]

22. it was a different poll, sorry

I'd post it for you, but I don't appreciate the snark.

[LiberalFighter]

12. Makes no sense.

First those on the left want Obama to be primaried. Now it is the moderates that want him primaried? Which is it?

[WI_DEM]

13. Well, he's still more popular with Dems at this time than Bill Clinton was and Clinton wasn't

challenged.

[treestar]

17. This "someone else" is like that generic Republican candidate

As long as the person is not identified, they can remain idealized.

[Beacool]

20. As someone pointed out on another post on this same subject,

in 1994 Clinton had 2 years before reelection. At that point Clinton had various problems that brought down his polling: gays in the military, healthcare and Travelgate come to mind. The comparison should have been done in August of 1995 how did Democrats feel about Clinton, not 1994.

Besides, how many times does it have to be brought up that Clinton had a booming economy when he was up for reelection. Obama does not and will not by November 2012.

:shrug:

[Mr Deltoid]

21. Obama support among independents is plunging

...worse than his support among Dems, which remains relatively strong.



He is shunning those who support him in favor of those who do not. Political suicide.