So he's saying, "We basically agreed to throw you all under the bus but that wasn't good enough for

[LaydeeBug]

the Umpa Lumpa."

I am not sure whether I should laugh or cry. It's been a loooooooooooooooooooong ass day.

[Pholus]

1. Yup. So much for "gossip" because it sounds like it was pretty accurate...

[Marsala]

2. Everyone on DU should get down on their knees and thank Grover Norquist

Well, maybe not. But he's done more to stop massive cuts than any Democrat.

[ClarkUSA]

3. No, he didn't say that. You did. President Obama simply didn't cave as so many expected.

[LaydeeBug]

4. Really? He said he agreed to wide ss cuts. I just asked a room full

of people and they all said, "Yep. That's pretty much what he just said".

Recall, it was Boehner who walked out...not Obama who told him to go (which would have ROCKED)

[whosinpower]

6. That is true

He OFFERED those cuts/savings/reform.

In the end - the irrational party of no could not overcome their irrationality.

Which begs the question - why even try?

And your right - a person does not know whether to cheer or cry.

Onward to default land ?

I still maintain that default will not occur. I expect Boehner and all the GOP WILL be hearing from Wall Street very very soon. They put themselves in this tea party box - and now know of no way out - Obama tried to help them - AT GREAT COST, I might add.

But - they cannot see themselves working with the president - in any way. Country be dammed.

[Bluerthanblue]

7. first it was your ex-

now it's "a room full of people"?

I think I'll stick to facts rather than accept your take on things.

You are entitled to your opinion and perspective but why the need to pass it off as something other than what it is?

Your opinion

[LaydeeBug]

29. Yep. One earlier this week, and the other was today. BO agreed to a harsher cut than the gang of 6

PER HIS OWN EFFING WORDS. Are you daft?

[ClarkUSA]

9. It's nothing but a strategic ploy, which Boehner walked away from.

[rug]

17. There's not a diaper big enough to contain that.

Strategic ploy. :rofl:

[ClarkUSA]

21. Can he borrow yours, then?

:rofl:

[rug]

25. When you give it back.

[ClarkUSA]

42. Sorry, it's way too big for me. Fits your rhetoric perfectly, though.

:rofl:

[rug]

44. Now that I see what you've done with it, I don't want it.

[ClarkUSA]

45. Yes, I know how fact-averse you are. Better than what you put in it daily, though.

[rug]

46. Maybe but I don't call a press conference to announce it.

[ClarkUSA]

47. That's because no one would show up.

[rug]

48. It wouldn't be as big a pile.

[Doctor_J]

27. So he was never REALLY going to give away SS, even though he offered to?

can we please keep the discussion sane?

[LaydeeBug]

31. So he is playing Jedi mind tricks again? Please

the only part about this blunder was that the spoiled oompa loompa fucktards were even more chicken to say the words "tax increase" to the teabaggers than Obama was to fight for seniors in 30 years.

[CreekDog]

40. do you promise that it won't be part of a future agreement that Obama is part of?

:shrug:

[sofa king]

43. Why not ask that room about NSPD-51?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Security_and_Homeland_Security_Presidential_Directive

Oh look! It turns out that President Bush quietly conferred upon himself the ability to create an "enduring Constitutional government," coordinated by nobody but the President himself, given a state of national emergency.

Think President Obama knows about it? Why yes, it appears he does, because last September President Obama informed Congress that the national state of emergency declared by George Bush in 2001 still exists.

Now, that's not exactly the sort of thing one wants to kick around among a public that still, amazingly, believes there is such a thing as the rule of law in this country, so the President may be saying whatever works to steer the Republicans into conference on this bill, where he can inform them, at his pleasure and in secrecy, that if he doesn't get what he wants he will begin "coordinating" Congress himself.

Who the hell needs the 14th Amendment when the previous idiot handed this President the keys to a permanent dictatorship?

[LaydeeBug]

52. wow. Just wow.

He'd never use it though. Clearly. :eyes:

[sofa king]

54. It's sort of like a nuclear bomb.

The threat of using it is much more beneficial than the cost of actually using it.

Back in February, I successfully predicted the timetable of this crisis and observed that the Republicans are dangerously unaware of exactly how much authority they transferred over to the Bush Administration, and by default to President Obama.

I also pointed out that it looks to me as if the President can even jump-start a universal health care program through the Pandemic and All-hazards Preparedness Act, in about as much time as it takes to write a decree.

That part amuses me, as does the evidence that the Bush Administration fully outlined a legal and administrative path to despotism, which along with the threat of prosecution (see Grover Norquist's walk-back yesterday) accidentally provided this President and his party with so much power over their opposition that this doff of the cap to consensus is just so much window dressing for the public.

Behind closed doors, the Republicans are going to be told what to do, by us, and they will do it or literally risk being the first against the wall in the latest American-engineered coup, this one right here at home. I now suspect that Harry Reid and Nancy Pelosi both had personal experience with this situation in 2007, which may also explain why neither of them seem particularly rattled about this crisis now.

[rug]

5. Not quite. He's upset because he wasn't allowed to cave.

[ClarkUSA]

10. What a pantload of nonsensical rhetoric.

[rug]

16. Wow, I must reconsider ny position.

I need time to mull over your points.

[LaydeeBug]

32. That's exactly what it sounded like. But I can hope he learns from this

and stops thinking of the raided fund as our problem.

[Pholus]

55. Really? The press conference *I* heard was that he was mad because he was ready

to take heat from his party for making cuts and he was only angry because the other side didn't agree to do the same.

Either way, *I* was already under the bus. Whether he talked sternly at the GOP or not really doesn't matter anymore.

[woolldog]

8. What's odd is that people on here are acting like the deal

didn't stink and wasn't a sellout. Were lucky boehner is an idiot and walked away. Damn lucky.

[ClarkUSA]

11. Luck had nothing to do with it. Republicans have been saying all along they wouldn't vote for it.

[woolldog]

14. lol

[Inuca]

13. We stil DO NOT KNOW what the deal was

we got the numbers, not much more. And yes, a COMPROMISE nobody is happy with the outcome.

[woolldog]

18. Did you watch the presser?

He outlined what the deal was and said he'd be releasing the details.

[LaydeeBug]

35. BUT WE KNOW HE WANTED A HARSHER SS CUT THAN THE GANG OF SIX WANTED SO STOP PLAYING POSSUM

seriously.

[jenmito]

19. There was no luck involved. Obama knew all along the Repubs. wouldn't vote for ANY revenues. Now

the Repubs. are left looking inflexible, unreasonable, and irrational.

[woolldog]

20. Some of that 11th

Dimensional chess I guess.

[jenmito]

22. That's exactly right. He's a lot smarter than you give him credit for. n/t

[woolldog]

23. haha

or maybe he really does believe in cutting Medicare and Medicaid and social security.

[jenmito]

30. Yeah, sure. That's why the "deal" included over $1 billion in revenues which he

KNEW they wouldn't go for. That's why he mentioned Norquist's pledge, "talk radio hosts," etc.

[jenmito]

49. I mean over $1 trillion. n/t

[LaydeeBug]

33. I KNOW!!! I never thought I'd see the say we were lucky Boehner was more of a spoiled oompa loompa

than Obama is a cave man.

[jenmito]

36. You DON'T know. You think it was "luck" that had Boehner walk out? Obama (and most of us)

KNEW the Repubs. wouldn't accept ANY revenue increases.

[ClarkUSA]

12. If President Obama praises it, the Teabagger House will not vote for it.

It's as simple as that: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=433x716348

[Peacetrain]

15. ~SIGH~

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=433x718676

[CakeGrrl]

24. No, he did NOT.

He was NEVER willing to dismantle SS and Medicare or cut benefits for seniors.

But some of you are so convinced of that you weren't listening to the differences he described even in TODAY'S press conference between what they offered and what Republicans wanted.

[LaydeeBug]

39. Um...yes he DID. He even said he was willing to go farther than the gang of six.

and they wouldn't agree to ANY taxes, so he said no.

[BklnDem75]

26. I thought the deal was done...

Didn't a VERY high ranking official in the Obama Admin tell you this?

[LaydeeBug]

37. Did you not hear the President? He agreed to cut Social Security...it was a done deal AND HE EFFING

ADMITTED IT RIGHT THERE IN HIS SPEECH. Yes, the deal on cutting social security was done.

Really.

You're putting your head in the sand pretending he wasn't going to do that, HE FUCKING STOOD RIGHT THERE AND SAID HE WAS.

wow. Just wow.

[BklnDem75]

41. Guess you missed the part

where he said current beneficiaries and the next generation would be unaffected. Yes, I have access to C-span. Guess your head was in the sand the last few dozen times he's been saying this since the SOTU.

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[BklnDem75]

53. Hilarious!

You've only been wrong about everything so far. I must admit, I'm enjoying the comedy.

[tallahasseedem]

28. Keep trying with your...

talking points. It's NOT working...

[LaydeeBug]

51. It's not a talking point. It's the truth.

nt

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[LaydeeBug]

38. as long as we try to get down to the heart of the matter, but my will gets weak...

and the thoughts seem to scatter, but I'm thinking about forgiveness...but not forgetness, because if these mother fuckers go near social security, there will be a reckoning that Don Hnely and all the smooth Eagles in the world won't be able to stop, and you sort of saw it here lately. ;)