I wish he'd just say, "We've tried to negotiate with you, now I want a one sentence bill"

[LaydeeBug]

"...I will veto anything else. Enough with your shell games against the poor and the elderly. Enough"


This my hope for a change.

[Davis_X_Machina]

1. We did that. In May. Lost. Got 97 votes. And there are more than 97 House Dems.

[LaydeeBug]

5. that was before the republicans got played like little bitches

now it's different.

[vaberella]

23. No it's not. You're not dealing with republicans. You're dealing with Teabaggers.

You obviously don't know what we're dealing with. These people are not Republicans----Republicans can be reasoned with even if they are buillheaded. Tea Partiers don't know reason and ONLY care about getting Obama, dare I say, a Black man, out of office.

[Inuca]

26. WE did not do it

THEY did. In other words, it was Boehner that brought the bill to a vote, knowing full well (sometimes he does) what the outcome will be and wanting to make a point. Which he did. So I agree, asking for the one sentence bill is not very useful.

[Davis_X_Machina]

27. "Never reinforce failure." Karl von Clausewitz n.t

[ashling]

2. Beat Herman Kaine at his own game

Three page bill my ass! BTW, wasn't Bush's Bailout a 3 page bill?)

:rofl:

[CTyankee]

3. Why do you do this? Aren't you just setting yourself up for disappointment?

I don't hate Obama but why do you do this torture to yourself? Don't do it!

Accept that he is not what you think or hoped he was and move on...we did this with Clinton, who was an imperfect Democrat, and we can do it with Obama...

[LaydeeBug]

4. Because "One of the joys of following your heart is not knowing where it will lead, yet having...

"...a sense of purpose along the way." ~Robert M. Edsel

:hi:

[CTyankee]

6. It is a great thing when it is rewarded, time after time, with great gifts to you.

When it is not, then it is becomes a very uncomfortable burden on your way. You find that you have to shed old beliefs, old habits, old understandings, in order to move forward and get to where you want to be.

That is the reality that I have experienced and that I know. When I followed my heart and it was a rewarding journey it was a joy. If I had found it was not rewarding, but rather something that would work against my life and my happiness, then it had to be changed and remedied. I had a painful divorce, for instance. It was what I needed to do on my journey, but it was not a pleasant thing. I didn't want it. It was pretty much forced upon me and I had to step up, which I did. Stepping up was my reward, actually!

I seek a remedy now, not a starry eyed continuation of something that has not worked out.

What about that is so hard to understand?

[LaydeeBug]

11. Well, I hope for a little spine. nt

[CTyankee]

14. Of course. I do understand.

My hardest political disappointment was on health care reform. I had heard ALL of the Dems running in the primaries in 07 and 08 talk about some sort of public option. It never even got off the ground! I was astonished and couldn't figure out what happened. I (and so many others esp. here at DU) had been waiting for our time to come on this and it was quashed before it could be looked at by the populace. Why? Well, probably because the health insurance industry strangled it in its crib, so to speak. And, when they were polled, most people said they liked the idea of a public option.

I guess "the public be damned" is what we are dealing with...

[Armstead]

17. But we shouldn't accept this trash

If the progressives had not been shut out of the Democratic tent in the 90's, we would be in a much better position today.

Media ownership would be much less concentrated, the corpirate sector would less all-powerful and dictatorial, the financial catastrophe of 2008 would have been averted....etc. The GOP would also be more recognized for the stooges of the elites.

Seeing the DLC Clinton strategy of conservative centrism being repeated now by Obama and the Democratic elites is not something we should just accept as a learning experience.

We should have learned from the mistakes of the 90s and we shouldn't be accepting of it now.

[CTyankee]

21. The basic problem is attracting more progressives into our ranks.

I thought that would evolve rather naturally with the health care reform debate. But we couldn't even get a committee hearing on single payer! It was like it didn't exist! The media ignored it and us or portrayed us as "fringe." The people had a distorted image of single payer (European socialism! like that was a BAD thing). About the best thing we had going for us was the comedy of Jon Stewart and Stephen Colbert.

I wish I could say things will get better, but I don't see that happening, based on what we have seen happen thus far...more DLC and less progressivism...I thought we'd be ahead of the game by now...how silly I was...

[Zenlitened]

7. K&R, but a clean bill does not seem to be part of the chatter at this point.

From the Washington Post (link below):

Congress tees up crucial votes on debt limit

By Zachary A. Goldfarb 7:11 PM ET

A bipartisan effort in the Senate to allow President Obama to raise the federal debt ceiling in exchange for about $1.5 trillion in spending cuts over 10 years gained momentum Sunday, as leaders agreed they would have to act in the next two weeks to avert a potential default by the U.S. government.

The growing sentiment for raising the federal limit on U.S. borrowing sets the stage for a week of largely scripted actions on Capitol Hill, where leaders in both chambers are looking to build support for the plan being crafted by Senate Majority Leader Harry M. Reid (D-Nev.) and Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.).


(snip)

Most lawmakers were focusing on the new Senate plan, originally proposed last week by McConnell and further developed by Reid. Under the plan, Obama would be able to raise the debt ceiling three times over the next year for a total of $2.5 trillion. Congress could also vote on a resolution of disapproval each time, assigning blame to Obama for increasing the nation’s debt.

Although there is this encouraging sign of tensions rising within the republican ranks:

“At the end of the day Republican leaders have made it clear that we will not be the ones to put the government into default,” Sen. Jon Kyl (Ariz.), the chamber’s No. 2 Republican, said on ABC’s “This Week. “Now the House of Representatives has to make its decision about what it will do.”

If they are looking to backtrack, weasel and save face, then now might be a good time for Pres. Obama to suggest a clean bill and get this thing DONE.

That is, unless he truly is wedded to doing a Big Deal. In which case, even if the republicans back down, this could still turn into a pyrrhic victory.


Link:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/business/economy/congress-tees-up-crucial-votes-on-debt-limit/2011/07/17/gIQA40IZKI_story.html

[LaydeeBug]

8. I fear you are correct, but hope for some strong arming

a girl can dream. :)

[Liberal_Stalwart71]

9. Pay attention, please. We tried that. The House voted it down. Pay attention! n/t

[LaydeeBug]

10. Pay Attention Please. That was before the republicans got played like little b!tches. Pay attention

nt

[Liberal_Stalwart71]

12. The Republican "got played?" We don't know that yet, but yes, I will be paying attention

to see what actually happens.

[LaydeeBug]

13. Pay attention. They got played. Now they are scrambling for "something in writing"

Now, I will indeed grant that no one knows how to lose with a winning hand better than this guy (health care), but right now? the Republicans got played like little bitches. Because they ARE. They are nothing more than little bitches and it's time we started telling the truth.

[CTyankee]

15. I think you are right here, LaydeeBug. They wouldn't take "yes" for an answer

from Obama and got this. I wonder how they will screw us with it, tho...there's gotta be a catch somewhere...

[Ikonoklast]

16. And the Teabaggers are doubling down after getting played.

They DO NOT CARE if they destroy this government and the economy, fer fuck's sake, they WANT that to happen.

They are telling Boehner that they don't care if they are one-termers, as long as they can destroy the Federal Government, they are going to be happy.

They are in love with Armegeddon, and will do anything to bring it about.

A "Clean Bill" will never leave the House.

[Armstead]

18. So we should give them what they want?

[Ikonoklast]

19. I think the Senate will not let the House crash this country.

Old Money will not let petty politics over essentially a triviality in the overall scheme of things destroy their holdings.


It is going to an interesting game of chicken, and quite frankly, I think the Democrats have the high ground on this one.

The ball is most definitely in the Republican's court, and they are still looking for their racket.

[Liberal_Stalwart71]

20. Interesting that you keep telling me to pay attention when this is DU

Many here are quick to point their finger at Obama/The Democrats, but allow the Republicans to get away with every evil deed that they're responsible for.

But my worry is that average Americans will fall into the trap of blaming Democrats/the President FIRST, and that's why I raised the point.

I probably pay way too much attention to politics. I need a break from it, sometimes...

[vaberella]

24. Obama gave them something in writing. They are ignoring it. n/t

[Palmer Eldritch]

22. because he doesn't have to. that is what he's getting anyway.

[WiffenPoof]

25. That would be nice...

...but you need a backbone and some principles to stand up for before you can do that.

-P