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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-17-10 07:32 PM
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Bush I never visited the Exxon Valdez site

Obama is Not No-Visit, Feckless Bush on Oil Gushers: Update: GOP say is "natural disaster"

by Patriot Daily News Clearinghouse

Right-wing media have whined that Obama is "scrambling after week-old spill" and that Obama visited the Gulf BP disaster too late. They have the audacity to try to compare Obama's response to some imaginary Republican who would have been "absolutely pilloried in the press" if a Republican administration had "gone eight days without serious action."

Really? We don't have to imagine. I checked some press articles from 1989, and Papa Bush apparently did not show up in Alaska when Exxon Valdez happened because he was either too busy or believed a site visit would be a "political downer." Moreover, how has Papa Bush been "pilloried in the press" for not providing compensation claims to the people in over 20 years?

Exxon-Valdez oil disaster happened on March 24, 1989. Papa Bush apparently never personally visited the site, but continually made excuses that he was too damn busy when the truth was that he did not see how he could yield any political benefit from personally visiting the devastation caused by his oil buddies. No matter of the economic impact on the area or that "thousands of animals died immediately," with estimates of "250,000 seabirds, at least 2,800 sea otters, approximately 12 river otters, 300 harbor seals, 247 bald eagles, and 22 orcas, as well as the destruction of billions of salmon and herring eggs."

This is what the media reported back then.

April 14, 1989: Bush first had no comment as to why he did not plan to visit the disaster site.

A White House spokeswoman said the president is not planning to visit Prince William Sound, where the Exxon Valdez was torn open by a clearly charted reef March 24, spilling 10 million gallons of oil in the worst tanker accident in U.S. history. When asked why Bush has not made the trip, the spokeswoman said, "We have no comment."

April 30, 1989: WH did not recognize "enormity of the disaster" during vacation weekend perhaps because it just affected the "small people."

In the first hours after the Exxon oil tanker slammed into a reef off Alaska, almost no one at the White House recognized the enormity of the disaster. The president was taking off for a family weekend, and preparations had begun for the annual Easter egg roll on the back lawn of the White House.

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September 19, 1989: Clean up not going well, so stay away!

Papa Bush had planned to visit Alaska this week to "see the spill first-hand," but the "president's trip was canceled after news reports that the Exxon cleanup effort was not going well."

Apparently, Bush was still too damn busy:

"Please don't associate my not going to Alaska at a rather busy time with a lack of interest in Prince William Sound," Bush said.

September 19, 1989: Too "politically risky"

But Bush aides feared that a visit now (from Papa Bush), just a few days after Exxon stopped its uncompleted cleanup for the winter, would be politically risky for the president, so they canceled the trip and pressed Quayle into service instead.

By my count, Papa Bush spent months coming up with excuses to the one simple action of visiting the site of a major environmental disaster.

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ZombieHorde Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-17-10 07:39 PM
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1. This just in: Republicans don't care about the environment.
I know my subject line is smart-assy, but I recommended this for the decent talking point.
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whopis01 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-17-10 07:48 PM
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2. This just in - let's concentrate on today instead of 21 year ago
OK - President George H. W. Bush had all sorts of problems - but are we really going to use him as a counter example or excuse for today? Does it really matter what a Republican president did or did not do 21 years ago? Let's address the issue at hand instead.

I'm not saying that Republicans weren't fucked up back in 1989 - I'm just saying that we would be better off fixing things today rather than complaining about what they did in 1989.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-17-10 07:52 PM
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3. This just in: This is about today
Edited on Thu Jun-17-10 07:52 PM by ProSense
"I'm not saying that Republicans weren't fucked up back in 1989"

Actually, this is about the hypocrisy of the fucked up Republicans of today.

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whopis01 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-17-10 07:57 PM
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4. This just in: Let's fix the goddamn problem and then worry about the hipocrisy
Yes the Republicans are fucked up and hypocritic today - no argument from me there.

But instead of complaining about how they are today, or how they were 21 years ago, let's just fix the goddamn problem first - then worry about explaining who caused it.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-17-10 07:58 PM
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5. You fix it.
I'm busy responding to your comment.

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whopis01 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-17-10 08:00 PM
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6. yes you are. n/t
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Gordan Shumway Donating Member (162 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-17-10 08:08 PM
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7. Ok, then go fix it
Why waste time posting on a message board? :sarcasm:
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whopis01 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-17-10 08:16 PM
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8. You are right - I just saw the light - it is all about Bush 41.
How could I have not realized it before?

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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-17-10 08:19 PM
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9. Why are you so concerned that people are criticizing Republicans
"let's just fix the goddamn problem first - then worry about explaining who caused it."

Again, feel free to go fix it. I'll continue to criticize Republicans. I don't feel any obligation to wait, none whatsoever.

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whopis01 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-17-10 08:25 PM
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11. I have done work to fix this. I have gone to beaches and cleaned up tar.
I am not concerned that people are criticizing republicans. I just want to fix the goddamn problem instead of worrying about who to blame. There is plenty of time for figuring out the blame, but right now it just doesn't really matter. What matters is getting the problem fixed and getting it cleaned up. I am doing that - if you are not, if you are worried about something else - great - I just really don't have the time to deal with that now - I have more immediate things to worry about.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-17-10 08:30 PM
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13. " I just really don't have the time to deal with that now ...
I have more immediate things to worry about."

That's fine, but right now you are on a politicial discussion board that isn't response central for the spill. There are many things being discussed.

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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-18-10 12:42 AM
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19. And, yet you wasted time here.
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-18-10 12:40 AM
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18. No, it's not all about that stupid ignorant arrogant asshole..but
we will talk about the history of their hypocrisy.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-17-10 08:21 PM
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-18-10 12:38 AM
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17. No, we're going to talk about it now..and if you don't like it
you can hide the thread.
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vaberella Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-17-10 08:28 PM
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12. Funny you should say that. B/c when people wanted to criticize Obama, they said it was his Katrina.
Where were you when that shit was going down.
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whopis01 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-18-10 11:13 AM
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23. Maybe I just don't get it
I was in the same place that I am now. Doing my best to get out there and actually do something to help.
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-18-10 12:37 AM
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16. Too bad you don't see it's about the hypocrisy of the gop..so, yes,
it has everything to do with today. I thought only the repukes didn't pay attention to history.
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whopis01 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-18-10 11:03 AM
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22. Wow. n/t
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treestar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-17-10 09:28 PM
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14. Isn't it appalling how differently the media treats D Presidents?
They didn't even begin to blame Pappy for this.

I don't remember anyone saying he had any responsibility at all.

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Jennicut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-17-10 09:46 PM
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15. I remember, even as at 13, there was not a word on the news about this.
Poppy never got raked through the coals. So much for the "liberal" media.
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-18-10 12:43 AM
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20. Geeze, how far back did the mediawhores go?
Or were they just more fair then..not interesting in excoriating a republicon president like the ones of today are doing to a Dem prez?
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tom_paine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-18-10 12:50 AM
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21. Apalling is far too mild a word - it is grotesque, Soviet, Orwellian...
And it seems to have been going on for MUCH longer than we thought.

Remember in 1988 in was revealed Poppy Bush had REAL LIFE NAZIS on his campaign staff - ironically in his "ethnic out reach programs".

I also remember when it happened. I also remember, as a young man fully under the spell of the Corporate M$M, not giving it much thought that something like that wouldn't automatically sink ANYONE.

But obviously Corporate M$M has worked like that for a long, long time - it's only that it's so over the top now that even the relative small percemntage is noticing. Apparaently, Corporate M$M is designed using Ed Bernays' principles and has always been subject to being Mockingbirdded.

Google "Operation Mockingbird" if you dont already know what it is.
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cherokeeprogressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-18-10 11:45 AM
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24. BUSH!!
Ah, now I feel better.
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-18-10 12:11 PM
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25. Losta of unrec's on this one.
Guess we are not supposed to compare the treatment of various Presidents.
It might just tell us something.
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TheKentuckian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-18-10 12:49 PM
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26. What you post here is true but it'll never get any traction
Republicans are held to different standards, if any.

They don't actually care about the environment, civil liberties, peace, taking care of the least among us, regulation, consumer protection, rule of law, diplomacy, or wages.

Right or wrong, it seems if you run on being a pro-big business, pro-wealthy warmongering fuckwit that you get graded on that (sometimes). Poppy didn't get run out because he invaded countries, screwed poor folks, sold drugs for guns, ignored the Valdez and cleared paths for Exxon, or even because Clinton blew folks away but because he raised taxes and spoke to well and too yankee.

Republicans don't register hypocrisy and I suspect the public expects them to be what they are, at least to a degree. Lots of white folks are all into that libertarian/gangster capitalism bullshit and that's the majority in the country. They vote puke because that's mostly what they want or think they want.

Nobody loves a good Republican bash than me but comparing what they get away with or the areas they are graded on isn't good for more than venting. The media isn't going to be shamed into responsibility, TeaPubliKlan aren't going to finally see anything, pukes in and running for office aren't going to turn over a new leaf.

Bash 'em cause they earned it. Bash 'em cause it's fun. Bash 'em to embarrass them and catch them with their pants down. Bash 'em cause they are dangerous fuckwits but they will have to be repudiated not "busted".
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-18-10 07:38 PM
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27. I'm just amazed that the media isn't asking itself,
why didn't we make BushI responsible for that spill,
but we are compelled to hold Obama responsible for this one.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-18-10 08:07 PM
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28. "Nobody loves a good Republican bash than me but comparing what they get away with " Well,
it's about hypocrisy, and no one can say that pointing out hypocrisy serves no purpose. You can best believe that if Republicans ever came across a valid point to expose Democratic hypocrisy, they'd be all over it.

Yes, Republicans are hypocrites, but the public has a short memory.

As for Bush and the Exxon Valdez, there are several left blog pointing out the hypocrisy.

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