What ever happened to just being nice to people and showing simple respect?

[HopeOverFear]

I am APPALLED at all of the bitching and nitpicking over the President bowing to the Japanese leaders. Some of you people seriously need to get lives.

[OffWithTheirHeads]

1. Ronald Raygun, Richard Nixon et al

[Go2Peace]

76. Can someone post the link? I doubt more than one or two people on this site would do that

You sure they didn't just forget a "sarcasm" tag?

[Barack_America]

2. Since the inception of "Freedom Fries", I believe.

Seems that cultural awareness and respect makes one weak?

:shrug:

Count me as a weakling then. I've given my Japanese coworkers a courtesy bow on many occasions. Shame on me!

[goclark]

88. I've bowed too ~ it's like saying Hello

with respect.

[Bonobo]

3. Really stunning ignorance and xenophobia on display.

Sorry to say it, but you guys that object to the bow are really ignorant, backwater redneck fucks.

On edit: I was wrong to say "Sorry". I'm not and my description is enhanced and made more accurate by the inclusion of the proper profanity.

[rebel with a cause]

61. Don't inusult us rednecks by putting us with that bunch.

:sarcasm:

Oh, on second thought I am no redneck no matter how many people tell me redneck = country people/hick. I am no ignorant backwards person also because I know that it is polite and proper to show respect to others, especially when visiting them, in their cultural tradition. Carry on with your outrage.

:applause:

[virgogal]

4. I agree,and pre-internet it probably wouldn't have happened.

I don't think we are necessarily less respectful,just that we have instant access for our bitchin'. and spend less time pulling back and looking at the big picture.

[Bobbieo]

5. With the advent of the personal computer and anonymity, simple respect

vanished.

[HopeOverFear]

9. Exactly

whatever happened to humility? One of the traits these so-called Christians are supposed to be displaying?

[boppers]

21. John Gabriel's theory:

http://www.penny-arcade.com/comic/2004/03/19/

[Cha]

6. What else would the

bitch du jour be?

[eleny]

7. "bitch du jour" !

:rofl: :hi:

[Cha]

8. ..

:hi: eleny~

[NYC_SKP]

10. Anyone, seriously, who thinks that the president did anything wrong in this...

Is backwards, unkind, seriously ethnocentric, unlearned, and/or just filled with contempt for Obama.

So yes, I agree.

Recommended.

[Igel]

112. I don't think so.

We reduce what we don't understand to simple black-and-white terms. Is a bow appropriate or not? Things aren't that simple. *His* bow was inappropriate, from what I've heard. A simple tilt might have been appropriate; better would have been none. In other words, bowing is a full-blown semiotic system--how low, how long, who starts it, do both people bow, do you make eye contact, do you shake hands, what's your social role, what's your social status, what's the other guy's social role and status? Lots of variables. His was too low, no eye contact, awkward pose, inappropriate handshake. His matched what was appropriate for somebody else; with him there, the inappropriateness begs for an interpretation other than what appearances would say. Fortunately, he's not of that culture, so there was an easy interpretation--he simply got it wrong, fill in whatever he should have done.

Rather like saying "stand up" in Chinese, when everybody understands it as "please"--same sounds, different tones, the bignose can't get it right so humor him. It's the thought that counts. (Of course, that'll be offensive to those who sincerely need to believe that Obama's bow was dead-on accurate, but that discussion would belong in another forum I visit from time to time, not one of the Big Four.)

Was it wrong? It was flattery, and taken as such. First rule: Most people don't really object to flattery. Second rule: You don't insult your guests, especially when they're important and flattering you--to do so embarrasses both of you.

So while a handshake would have been right, respectful, and appropriate, nobody's going to say that the bow was inappropriate or wrong. On the Japanese side.

There are two sides, though.

US protocol is that we fought a war to reject royalty, and so the US president is the equal of royalty. Akihito didn't bow, and wouldn't. Obama should have followed Akihito's example.

Moreover, to bow to royalty is to acknowledge that you are at their service in some way. Obama is not at Akihito's service in any way. Obama is a servant, to be sure, but he owes his service to the US citizenry, pure and simple. He can't have two masters, even if he symbolically says he prefers one to the other. Now, thtt's as American a culture as most DUers', and also one that Obama should be respectful of. The bow wasn't required by the Japanese, so respect for this culture would say it was wrong to bow.

Then there are practical questions. Do ambassadors and military now bow to royalty? The president does, and they're less important than him, after all. If Obama doesn't bow to the next king he meets--it's been noted he only bows to kings, thank you--will it mean that he's *not* showing respect to that king? Does it highlight that he's doing it for show or flattery and not taking another culture's ceremonies seriously? (How disrespectful is that? And, flattery that's perceived publicly as flattery is not appreciated--people may like being flattered, but they don't usually like being seen to like being flattered.)

I don't think he's thought this through. Personally, I don't think he thinks he needs to think it through--not because he's above such matters and too important, but because he sincerely thinks there *is* no actual matters there, just empty forms to be adopted and manipulated. But that's a radically different sort of post and would belong in an anthropology forum.

[ginnyinWI]

11. maybe spending too much time on the computer

tends to erode certain social skills?

Recommended! :)

[Lurks Often]

12. disappeared years ago

Not sure why, but people being polite to one other disappeared a long time ago.

My comment applies to the country as a whole, not this specific issue.

[Bobbieo]

14. It boils down to the fact that you say things to people on a computer

you would not say to their faces. ANONYMITY!!!

[HopeOverFear]

18. pretty much

[RFKHumphreyObama]

47. Precisely

[Lurks Often]

118. not me

I actually work backwards, generally I am at my most polite online/e-mail, a little less polite on the phone and rudest face to face.

[opihimoimoi]

13. The GOP led assualt on COMMON DECENCY was successful under W Bush

who made it Popular to be an Gigantic ASSHOLE and Arrogant at the same time.

[huntbir4]

15. He is the CIC of two of our sons. He should not be bowing to any leader.

There are dozens of dignataries and foreign leaders meeting and greeting the emperor of Japan. So far Obama is the ONLY one to bow. I don't know what kind of message that sends to our sons in the service. Seriously, I don't.

[HopeOverFear]

17. *smh*

your ignorance is so sad.

[huntbir4]

22. I am ignorant for raising two kids that want to serve this great country?

What gives? Haven't any of your sons served this country?

[HopeOverFear]

25. I am appreciative to your sons for their service.

You, on the other hand, are ignorant. Yes I said it. There was nothing wrong with what Obama did. It showed no signs of weakness whatsoever. The fact that you have a problem with it says more about you than it ever could about Obama. PERIOD.

[billh58]

53. I served this country

during the Viet Nam war, and I call bullshit on your faux "indignity."

[HopeOverFear]

59. Thank you for your service also.

:hug:

[billh58]

64. No thanks

are necessary, but are appreciated...

:toast:

[Bonobo]

70. No. You are ignorant because you are ignorant. Do you even know what "ignorance" is?

Ignorance:

ignorance |ˈignərəns|
noun
lack of knowledge or information : he acted in ignorance of basic procedures.
ORIGIN Middle English : via Old French from Latin ignorantia, from ignorant- ‘not knowing’ (see ignorant ).

[Catshrink]

24. That's what they do in Japan, it's a matter of respect

like we shake hands.

It makes better politics to have our President bow than puke on the Japanese PM like Poppy did.

[itsrobert]

28. Since the emperor didn't bow,

We can take that as the Emperor has no respect for Obama and America?

[ClayZ]

77. Japanese Etiquette

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Etiquette_in_Japan

[itsrobert]

96. Thanks, Since the Emperor is NOT Obama's superior

the Emperor should of returned the bow in-kind, not a nod. thanks for giving the link to prove my point.

[ClayZ]

107. I was not proving your point!

I was proving the point of RESPECT.

[itsrobert]

109. Yup, the emperor showed no respect for Obama

our elected leader. Since the emperor is not Obama's superior, the emperor should of bow in-kind. Thanks for the link.

[ClayZ]

120. The respect lacking, is in you!

[Igel]

115. You didn't actually read that link, did you?

Can't say I haven't made the same mistake.

"The etiquette surrounding bowing, including the length and depth of bow, and the appropriate response, is exceedingly complex....

"Generally speaking, an inferior bows longer, more deeply and more frequently than a superior. A superior addressing an inferior will generally only nod the head slightly, while some superiors may not bow at all and an inferior will bend forward slightly from the waist.

"Bows of apology tend to be deeper and last longer than other types of bow. They tend to occur with frequency during the apology, generally at about 45 degrees with the head lowered and lasting for at least the count of three, sometimes longer. The depth, frequency and duration of the bow increases with the sincerity of the apology and the severity of the offence. . . .

"When dealing with non-Japanese people, many Japanese will shake hands. Since many non-Japanese are familiar with the custom of bowing, this often leads to a combined bow and handshake which can be quite complicated to execute. Bows may be combined with handshakes or performed before or after shaking hands...."

I think Obama wanted to show his familiarity with the custom and then got it wrong. His hosts were gracious enough to ignore what Obama said--rather like having a thick, virtually incomprehensible accent. You go by situation and likely intent: A self-perceived genius is pointing at the tuna sushi and utters, "Green byte feet scrofula asteroid sharpening in, drawer yammer son-fuck!" so you put the tuna sushi on the plate and smile politely, and courteously answer. He goes away assuming he's mastered the intricacies of your language and is brilliant, you're grateful for the business on an otherwise slow day. And amused, of course, by responding, "You, sir, have the intelligence a moribund limpet. May I add that that tuna is rotten, so enjoy your hospital stay."

Of course, your link is instructive to those who think that bowing is just "like shaking hands." Simple binary thinking like that insults Japanese culture--to the extent that an abstract constuct is subject to perceiving an insult, of course.

[ClayZ]

121. I bow often, mostly with my hands

together in front of my chest. Fingers pointed up!

Namaste style!

[huntbir4]

29. So why was Obama the ONLY leader to bow?

Plenty of web sites have dozens of pictures of leaders meeting the emperor of Japan. None of them bowed....

[HopeOverFear]

42. Because Obama knows how to show respect to people

THAT'S why.

[Rosa Luxemburg]

65. yes

[ClayZ]

78. Bingo!

[cleveramerican]

81. Humility is found in great leaders.

and found absent in lesser ones.

[Igel]

114. The response that came to mind immediately was,

Let's hope Obama never winds up in a bonobo preserve.

Like shaking hands.

Is it really possible to have such a one-dimensional view of such an old and rich culture?

What am I saying? ("D'uh," he says to himself.)

[treestar]

124. Exactly, what fits would they be having if a leader of another country

Came here and expected to be treated differently?

[Ikonoklast]

30. The message to your two soldier sons is:

Do your duty, and obey your oath.

There is nothing else to discuss.

[SeattleGirl]

32. Oh for heaven sakes! He can't show respect to another leader?

You want the Bush way back again, where instead of a bow or a handshake, he usually offered them the finger?

Did you ask your sons what they thought? Maybe they don't think it's that big a deal\.

[emulatorloo]

89. Bush also offered backrubs. I'll never forget that.

[billh58]

35. I suppose that

Hillary, and other prominent women from around the world, should not wear head coverings as a sign of respect either:

http://www.danielpipes.org/blog/2008/03/hijabs-on-western-political-women

Which part of showing a simple act of rerspect does NOT equal subservience, or weakness, do you not get?

[MadMaddie]

38. So when *(Bush) Kissed the Saudi King on the lips and held

his hand did you and others protest loudly?

You do know that the Japanese use the bow as a mode of respect right? This is how they greet each other. We are not at war with Japan.

Maybe having *(Bush) give the German leader a shoulder rub was really the appopriate thing to do, I mean after all he was the CIC and it showed the troops that being disrepectful to a woman was simply okay, even if she was the leader of Germany.

Now having said that, I come from a military family and I respect the work our military men and women perform.

You have a sitting CIC that has just gotten the military a pay increase, he is working on making sure they have the equipment they need to perform, (unlike Rumsfeld "You go to war with the military you have"), President Obama went to the Ft. Hood memorial, he went to Arlington and spoke to families, he welcomed back our fallen soldiers a month ago.......and yet you complain because he simply followed protocol.....lets admit a sad truth here....this isn't about the bow, this isn't about him being a Dem.....this is about people not wanting to accept a "Black" President, a "Black" CIC.

My question to you is what did *(Bush)a White President, a White CIC do for our troops? He pulled troops from Afghanastan where the war needed to be fought 8 years ago and when our fine troops had Osama Bin Laden in their crosshairs he played politics and he willingly let OBL go.He sent them into a war in Iraq to resolve a personal vendetta against a man who slighted his father, he sent them without the armament and equipment they needed and our troops paid the price.

Your sons and the rest of our military personel have a better chance at coming home safe under this president, I hope that they do come home so you can have them in your arms and know that this president will not send them in harms way unless it's absolutely necessary.

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[billh58]

52. Wow! Such

pure and utter bullshit! You really DO need to go on back to FR where you will have many more Teabaggers and Birthers to mingle with.

[huntbir4]

54. Honesty is not accepted here? Ask the military if they feel safer.

Especially after Fort Hood.

Go ahead, ask the military how "safe" they feel with their new CIC who is making political decisions out of events that put them in harms way.

[billh58]

56. You are not

only despicable, but you are pimping the military and your sons for political points. Go away...

[Catshrink]

57. Papa John's has made a delivery.

[billh58]

63. There IS

a Mod God!

[Catshrink]

83. To which I humbly bow

:rofl:

[Ikonoklast]

60. I know that you are already tombstoned, but will read this.

All decisions made by the CiC about deploying troops in a war zone have political considerations.

Every. Single. Time.

Since you don't realize or understand that fact, it is my gift to you, birfer.

You also contradicted yourself, saying morale was low, but marines are champing at the bit to go overseas?

Morale is low because they have already been on multiple tours of duty, and are exhausted.

And if you actually have two sons in the military, this president just may be the one that keeps them safe.

Enjoy your granite pizza.

[Baltoman991]

66. Honesty is fine here.

It's bullshit like you're posting now that isn't accepted. Tell me, are you really a Democrat/Liberal? I kinda doubt it seeing as you're blaming the current CIC for putting the military in harms way when anyone with half a working brain knows exactly who it was that put the military in the position it's in now.

So take your Bush loving self back to fucking freeperville.

[NavyMom]

71. You are a complete moron, I doubt if you have sons serving

in the military, as a mother with a son currently defending our country, a daughter that lost her father defending this country, a sister that lost two brothers defending this country and a military brat...HELL TO THE YES they feel safe with this CIC. If you ARE a military mom,which I doubt, read any of the military news you will find these men respect him for his leadership, strategy, planning and willingness to make the hard decisions instead of pissing in the wind.

It is offensive to me your bitter azz comments along with your ignorance, so do us all a favor take your crap to Drudge or freeperville I sure as hell have no patience for your crap.

[Catshrink]

84. Well said

and welcome to DU!

:hi:

[MadMaddie]

72. That has nothing to do with President Obama last time

we checked he has been in office for 1 year and the Ft. Hood Shooter had been in military for 6 years. During that 6 years there were so many red flags that were overlooked or ignored by the military, this guy should have been kicked out long ago. Six months ago the FBI was investigating him for reaching out to known terrorist organizations......again he should have been kicked out.....

So put the blame where it belongs and that is with the military and the FBI, they dropped the ball on this one....this guy was a ticking time bomb and they handled him with kid gloves because he was an officer.

[MadMaddie]

73. Shucks...what did I miss...

I must have pissed our visitor.......:shrug:

[billh58]

75. She took offense

at your questioning of her RW heroes. Go figure... :evilgrin:

[Igel]

116. Oddly, the two aren't similar.

Kissing and handholding are between equals. State dept. protocol and American traditions have little to say about them--apart from a bit of homophobia.

So in a way, they're similar: One part of American culture--the part that in a multicultural world must cease to exist as being an inferior, deviant culture not worthy of the respect that all cultures inherently deserve--decry both of them.

But Americans can be told that it's not a gay thing to kiss and hold hands, and a lot of them--except for the most brutish--get it.

In another way they're not similar. Both the Japanese and "deviant American" culture view it as subservience--not all bows, for the Japanese, but one that's so low. (The other option is that Obama seriously offened Akihito and is apologizing from the depths of his heart.) So when it's said that bowing in Japan is like shaking hands, it's like saying "mister" is the same as "master"--it's true, possibly, but in another context it's also utterly false.

Fortunately, the Japanese have opted to accept his slurred, accented bowing--even if that reads more like I'm discussing his violin technique.

But the State Dept. protocol is also very clear, and in this sides not with the polite Japanese or DU--in spite of assertions to the contrary--but with the deviant Americans, and puts the ambassador and military in a bind. Because they're prohibited from bowing, as is the president, by tradition and rule. Of course, Obama can rewrite the rule, but should do so thoughtfully, not to flatter or impress. Or did he rewrite the rule?

It's like *'s declassifying some of the information involving Joe Wilson. Apparently only the VP knows for sure.

Note that protocol says nothing about most other traditions.

[Sinti]

51. I wouldn't worry about your sons

Bowing does not mean demeaning yourself before someone, especially in Japan. I don't know, and don't believe President Obama has been the only American leader to bow to a Japanese dignitary, much less the Emperor.

In Japan this bowing simply shows that he has class and good manners. Class and good manners are always appropriate.

Knowing how to bow in Japan might help you while you are traveling. Bowing (ojigi) is a very important custom in Japan. Japanese people bow all the time. Most commonly, they greet each other by bowing instead of handshaking. It is impolite not to return a bow to whoever bowed to you. Japanese people might be uncomfortable with any physical forms of contact although they might be used to shaking hands with westerners.

[hileeopnyn8d]

86. Crap!

Are we at war with Japan now too???!!!???

Do you know why you don't know what "kind of message that sends to our sons in service?" Because there isn't one. It doesn't send any message other than respect for different cultures.

Which, as a veteran myself, I can say is a very important thing for our military members to uphold. They can do that in between bitching about how McDonalds isn't exactly the same as it is at home.

[treestar]

123. What do you like on your pizza?

It seems your (alleged) two sons are the only people that matter?

[jberryhill]

134. ...respect the culture of the countries they are visiting, perhaps?

[slipslidingaway]

16. unrec - just a distraction from real issues, there are several threads

here on the subject with thousands of views.

This thread about the financial reform loopholes has a small amount of views and cannot even get 5 recs.

:think:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=433&topic_id=2269&mesg_id=2269

[billh58]

19. K&R

Much ado about absolutely nothing...

[itsrobert]

20. It was right for Obama to bow

It's wrong for the Emperor not to return it.

Also, UNREC for posting anohter thread.

[HopeOverFear]

23. bottom line: if you have a problem with what Obama did, that says so much more about you

then it ever could about Obama. Period.

[itsrobert]

26. Are you not getting it?

I said I had NO problem on what Obama did. I have a problem with the Emperor not returning the bow. How many times do I need to repeat myself?

[HopeOverFear]

27. my fault, dear robert. That wasn't directed towards you.

I humbly apologize. :)


See, right wingers? I made a mistake and I owned up to it. That doesn't make me weak. It actually makes me stronger. Take notes.

[itsrobert]

45. thanks

[HopeOverFear]

50. LOL

back atcha :bow:

[billh58]

49. A slight nod

is all that anyone will ever get from the Emperor, and some not even that. It's tradition, coupled with political protocol.

[smalll]

62. Yes, but from what I've read, the Emperor NEVER bows to anyone --

So while I see where you're coming from, I think the key point is that if President Obama wanted to demonstrate cultural expertise, he would NOT have bowed in the first place. By bowing so deeply, in fact, he put the Emperor in an uncomfortable position. If the Emperor had returned the bow, I think he would now be facing more heat from the Japanese than Obama is facing over here.

From the video clip of the bow, one can see that the Empress at least (the Emperor's face is hidden post-bow, during the after-bows that Obama continued to perform) was clearly embarassed by the whole thing.

[HopeOverFear]

68. meh

nitpick nitpick nitpick :eyes:

[JTFrog]

79. I, recommend sticking your foot in your mouth at any time...

Feel free!

SWALLOW IT DOWN....Like a jagged little pill....


Bitter much?

:rofl:
:rofl:
:rofl:

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[HopeOverFear]

34. So what?

[Ikonoklast]

40. And your point is what, exactly?

That Putin doesn't respect the traditions of the countries he visits?

Enjoy your stay.

[billh58]

46. Yes, Putin IS

bowing, and just the right amount to be respectful.

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[HopeOverFear]

36. again...SO WHAT?

[billh58]

43. Actually, they

are both bowing to each other. The depth of the bow depends on the "rank" of the individuals, and between two equals only amounts to a slight nod (as seen in the pic).

Americans tend to overdo it, as they are not accustomed to the finer points of Japanese protocol, and I'm sure that President Obama's diplomatic advisers will address protocol with him as time goes by. All-in-all, it's no big deal with the Japanese whether foreigners bow, or not, but are pleasantly surprised when they do.

[Bonobo]

90. You seem well informed. All correct. nt

[billh58]

104. I have lived

in Hawaii for the past 50 years, have traveled extensively, and am lucky enough to have crossed paths with many cultures.

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[HopeOverFear]

41. Take your ignorant xenophobic ass back to Free Republic

[billh58]

44. Of course Olmert

is bowing. Stevie Wonder could see that...;-)

[Captain Hilts]

55. I don't 'get' it either. When in Rome, or Tokyo, do as they do...no big deal. nt

[Starry Messenger]

58. lol

Hell_If_I_Know

[HopeOverFear]

126. Yes, Runcible Spoon? Got something to say?

[Thrill]

67. Only in the arrogant US is this a story

.

[Withywindle]

69. No SHIT!

newsflash to the doctrinaires: Etiquette varies from country to country and culture to culture. Shocking, I know! but it's true!

Yes, I am an American citizen and I don't believe in royalty and I think our head of state is equal to anyone anywhere in the world. And a classy, empathetic, educated head of state--as our Ultimate Diplomat--would learn about what each culture's leader finds an appropriately respectful kind of greeting, and do that. It takes 10 seconds and doesn't hurt him and doesn't cost him anything.

So Obama bows to the Emperor of Japan, as is fitting in that country's etiquette (again: newsflash: East Asian people bow to each other all over the place. Yes, there are rules about it, but it's also used casually kind of like a wave. In Thailand, the street vendor I bought soup from and I bowed to each other to acknowledge that the transaction was accomplished to both our satisfaction. It's not a big deal.), and the Emperor smiles and shakes his hand, as is fitting in ours. Seems to me that BOTH of them went out of their cultural comfort zone a little bit to pay each other respect. So what's the problem?

[impik]

74. America really deserves George Bush

Seriously. It's a generation of morons. Obama is just too good for this stupid country.

[cleveramerican]

80. you must spend a lot of time apalled

Bitching and nitpicking is hardly a rare event here.

I cannot count how many times I have gotten a stunned reaction to what I think of as very ordinary politeness and courtesy.

[Vidar]

82. Obama acted with class, contrary to Ugly American jingoism that

motivates many of our compatriots. Though I disagree with him often on policy, Obama has done a great deal to restore America to a position of respect in the eyes of the world.

[ClarkUSA]

85. Bitterness over the outcome of last year's election drives Obama Haters to ape Drudge and Rushbo. nt

[Jennicut]

87. Americans sometimes think they are above it all and better then everyone else

We simply are not. Obama is polite and courteous, not an arrogant bastard. Some people are not used to that, sadly.

[backscatter712]

91. Agreed. It's completely silly. EVERYBODY bows in Japan.

It's part of the culture. When in Rome, do as the Romans do, and all that.

Obama was just observing a basic part of Japanese culture while he was visiting them. Only freeper tards would have a problem with this.

[Beacool]

92. Well, there's bowing and then there's bowing.

Protocol does not dictate that a US president must bow to any foreign leader. If he chose to do it out of respect that's fine, but it was done incorrectly. The bow is slight, the back remains mostly in an upright position and the head is inclined forward while the hands remain at the sides of the body. One does not bow deeply and at the same time shake hands.

;-)

[Bonobo]

95. Stop. You are misinformed.

One can bow while shaking hands as well. It is done commonly.

I have experience. Lots of it. You're just wrong.

[CakeGrrl]

99. This is THREE times I've seen her missive.

She's on a mission, all right.

"It is a terrible thing to lose one's mind, or not to have a mind..."

:rofl:

[Beacool]

102. I don't know.

Why don't you tell me?

:eyes:

[ClarkUSA]

110. Bitterness over the outcome of last year's election drives Obama Haters to talk shit 24/7.

[firedupdem]

97. Miserable lady!!

Woke up and Barack was still president!! Take it one day at a time...it'll be easier for you that way.

[Beacool]

101. Kool-Aid lady!!!

If we are going to start with ad hominem attacks.......

:shrug:

[firedupdem]

103. Big Fail! Try something new..that one is all worn out.

I know you guys have some new slogan for the people that don't HATE the president.

[Beacool]

105. How about you and the rest of the fan club harassing someone else?

Cheers!!! Got to go, too busy to stay.

:7

[firedupdem]

106. Buh Bye!! I'm sure the hate club is waiting for your most awesome

posts!

[ClarkUSA]

108. Funny, my Japanese neighbors disagree with you. They were impressed with his very correct bow. nt

[ensho]

93. yes, manners matter

nt

[blueworld]

94. I'd love to see the dialogue about Jesus washing feet. LOL! n/t

[HopeOverFear]

113. THANK YOU!!!!!!!!!!

[jenmito]

98. The media is showing Cheney NOT bowing comparing it to Obama bowing. Obama was right

to bow to the Emperor. Cheney was WRONG. My Japanese husband said so-Cheney was wrong.

[Bonobo]

100. As did my Japanese wife.

Hilarious that some here accuse the Emperor of not knowing how to bow properly!~ My lord, that is rich. LOL.

[jenmito]

111. Funny how they seem to know less than these posters who think

that Obama bowing is wrong, that the Emperor not bowing back is wrong, and that the bow is a show of submissiveness/apology. It's really sad that so many DEMS. are this ignorant. I expect it of Repubs., but I expected more from "our side." I guess I thought too highly of our side.

(I read your posts last night. :) I can't believe that even after posters read our posts, they stick with their wrong beliefs.)

[Cha]

117. Anything cheney does is wrong so

that's a given.

Being on the wrong side of everything is his legacy.

I hope the "media" wasn't trying to convince its viewing public that PO was out of line by showing how cheney did it? Because most Americans do know that cheney is a loser.

[jenmito]

119. It was on Faux News Sunday and CNN's State of the Union.

The Conservatives all said what you'd expect them to say, and the "liberals"...wait...there WERE no liberals. :D

[treestar]

122. I cannot believe hissy fits have been pitched over this

What assholes people are.

[freddie mertz]

125. This is trivial non-story at best.

Who cares if he bowed?

He was being polite.

Next....

[Aramchek]

127. Haters will use any excuse to attack Obama. Any excuse will do.

[Kurt_and_Hunter]

128. Nothing says respect like telling people to get lives

[QC]

130. The irony is overwhelming, isn't it?

It's like Dean Martin demanding to know what happened to sobriety.

[HopeOverFear]

131. I see you Runcible Spoon

[QC]

132. I see you, EraOfResponsibility!

[HopeOverFear]

133. Still mad?

[QC]

129. What ever happened to Baby Jane?

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