Newt Gingrich has lost his damn mind

[ProSense]

"I believe we are now in a struggle over whether or not we are going to save America," Gingrich said. "I believe the radical left is a secular, socialist machine so dedicated to values destructive of America that if it is allowed to remain in power…that machine is antithetical to the survival of America as a prosperous healthy country. "

link

Newt, you moron, your entire party is and has alway been the biggest threat to American properity.

[tabatha]

1. The Democratic party HAS TO HAS TO

get its message and the truth out there.

People are being brain-washed, and the Democrats are doing nothing about it.

On Edit - they want to keep on doing it so that the country has no choice but to kill SS and Medicare.

[KT2000]

15. You are right

This is brainwashing.
They concoct a lie, repeat it throughout their media machine and people believe it is the truth. When you talk to people who are afraid, they do not know of what, other than the simplistic lie they are told.

It is working but if the Democrats think that working for bipartisanship is going to make it go away, they are deluded.
Even the left pundits are go along types.

[okieinpain]

109. i agree. that is exactly what they are doing. n/t.

[Kablooie]

23. Absolutely. ALL I hear is Rwing propaganda--EVERYWHERE. And I live in California.

The Democrats should have a huge publicity machine to counteract the GOPPY one.

[Chulanowa]

89. Democrats need to stop propagating it

How can we counter the GOP when so many on "our side" are buying in and playing along?

[geckosfeet]

97. The GOP owns the media.

[onlyadream]

36. correct

They have a 24hr channel devoted to ripping the Dems. The closest thing we have is msn, which isn't nearly as overt as fox.

[elehhhhna]

53. Yeah - why isn't he MSM talking about the Radical Kleptocracy of the past 8 years?

[The Doctor.]

57. Because they're part of it.

[elehhhhna]

60. snap! we have a winnah!

[lxlxlxl]

68. agree...wait to see how little coverage progressive conventions get compared to 'teabaggers'

I think its obvious that left and center left voices are being intentionally marginalized. there is very few center left voices in our media, and its much easier to ignore or two...

[DisgustedInMN]

64. You want some truth, do ya?

Ok...


Here's some truth. I can't find a job. ANY job, doing ANYTHING. My Unemployment Benefits ended last week. I have NO income. NONE. ZERO. I have bills. They didn't stop because I don't have an income. I still get hungry. Sorry, but that goes with remaining alive. I'm still in my home, just how long do you suppose that will last, considering I have NO INCOME?

So I'll pass on the ** happy happy joy joy ** messaging, thank you very much. And I don't give a rats ass how much lipstick you put on THAT pig, it's STILL a fucking pig.

Don't fucking tell me to "be patient." I'm fresh out of time to do that.


And there are MILLIONS of "ME" out here...


It's gonna get ugly, VERY fucking ugly.

[bobhuntsman]

72. WORD!

[Flatulo]

87. I'm in the same boat. Second layoff in 6 months. There is nothing out there for me.

[RUMMYisFROSTED]

2. Again?

This is looking like a trend.

[mwooldri]

110. I didn't know Gingrich had a mind to lose in the first place! nt

[ChairmanAgnostic]

3. Too Many Facts!

Now, let's hope some Freepers come by and try to read AND think. That aught to ruin their weekend.

The facts are there. The argument is obvious. So, why are the Democrats still acting like they have a remote detonation device inside their underwear? They have a responsibility, and part of that involves standing up to enemies to the state, the constitution and to us, including those enemies lurking within our borders.

[polpilot]

43. WE have the presidency. WE haven't used the power AT ALL. THEY are defining the debate BECAUSE of

this void. You can't balme the crazies for acting crazy.

[eShirl]

4. He's always been batshit.

He's just cutting to the chase now.

[Jennicut]

5. When did he ever have it? I have not missed Newt since those lovely days of the 90's.

I just remember being in my college dorm room and throwing stuff at my tv whenever he was on it, circa 1994-95.

Rethugs love to reflect blame onto others.

[Enrique]

6. Gingrich already saved America

when he led the impeachment over the blow job! :patriot:

[DesertFlower]

7. socialist? every time they use that word

my blood pressure goes up. obama is a centrist just like clinton was.

[depakid]

95. Want to know why Gingrich et el. haven't "lost their minds?"

Because what he was saying and doing is perfectly acceptable and often politically successful in terms of how many people's minds actually work

In salient part:

False Reason and Real Reason: The Obama Mistake

It was entirely predictable a year ago that the conservatives would hold firm against Obama's attempts at "bipartisanship" - finding occasional conservatives who were biconceptual, that is, shared some views acceptable to Obama on some issues, while keeping an overall liberal agenda.

The conservatives are not fools. Because their highest value is protecting and extending the conservative moral system itself, giving Obama any victory at all would strengthen Obama and weaken the hold of their moral system. Of course they were going to vote against every proposal and delay and filibuster as often as possible. Protecting and extending their worldview demands it.

Obama has not understood this.

We saw this when Obama attended the Republican caucus. He kept pointing out that they voted against proposals that Republicans had made and that he had incorporated, acting as if this were a contradiction. But that was to be expected, since a particular proposal that strengthens Obama and hence weakens their moral view violates their highest moral principle.

Such conservative logic explains why conservatives in Congress first proposed a bipartisan committee to study the deficit, and then voted against it....

...We now (finally!) come to the point of going through all those experiments in the cognitive and brain sciences. Here are the basic differences between real and false reason, and the ways in which all too many liberals, including Obama during the past year, are wed to false reason.

Real reason is embodied in two ways. It is physical, in our brain circuitry. And it is based on our bodies as the function in the everyday world, using thought that arises from embodied metaphors. And it is mostly unconscious. False reason sees reason as fully conscious, as literal, disembodied, yet somehow fitting the world directly, and working not via frame-based, metaphorical, narrative and emotional logic, but via the logic of logicians alone.

Empathy is physical, arising from mirror neurons systems tied to emotional circuitry. Self-interest is real as well, and both play their roles in real reason. False reason is supposed to serve material self-interest alone. It's supposed to answer the question, "What's in it for me?,"which President Obama assumed that all populists were asking. While Frank Luntz told conservatives to frame health care in terms of the moral concepts of freedom (a "government takeover") and life ("death panels"), Obama was talking about policy minutia that could not be understood by most people.

Real reason is inexplicably tied up with emotion; you cannot be rational without being emotional. False reason thinks that emotion is the enemy of reason, that it is unscrupulous to call on emotion. Yet people with brain damage who cannot feel emotion cannot make rational decisions because they do not know what to want, since like and not like mean nothing. "Rational" decisions are based on a long history of emotional responses by oneself and others. Real reason requires emotion.

Obama assumed that Republicans would act "rationally" where "rationality" was defined by false reason - on the logic of material self-interest. But conservatives understood that their electoral chances matched their highest moral principle, strengthening their moral system itself without compromise.

It is a basic principle of false reason that every human being has the same reason governed by logic - and that if you just tell people the truth, they will reason to the right conclusion. The President kept saying, throughout Tea Party summer, that he would just keep telling the truth about policy details that most people could not make moral sense of. And so he did, to the detriment of all of us.

All politics is moral. Political leaders all make proposals they say are "right." No one proposes a policy that they say is wrong. But there are two opposing moral systems at work in America. What moral system you are using governs how you will see the world and reason about politics. That is the lesson of the cognitive science behind Moral Politics and all the experiments since then. It is the lesson of all the research on embodied metaphor. Metaphorical thought is central to politics.

Finally, there is the lesson of how language works in the brain. Every word is neurally connected to a neural circuit characterizing a frame, which in turn is part of a system of frames linked to a moral system. In political discourse, words activate frames, which in turn activate moral systems. This mechanism is not conscious. It is automatic, and it is acquired through repetition. As the language of conservative morality is repeated, frames are activated repeatedly that in turn activate and strengthen the conservative system of thought - unconsciously and automatically. Thus conservative talk radio and the national conservative messaging system are powerful unconscious forces. They work via principles of real reason.

But many liberals, assuming a false view of reason, think that such a messaging system for ideas they believe in would be illegitimate - doing the things that the conservatives do that they consider underhanded. Appealing honestly to the way people really think is seen as emotional and hence irrational and immoral. Liberals, clinging to false reason, simply resist paying attention to real reason.

Take Paul Krugman, one of my heroes, whose economic sense I find impeccable. Here is a quote from a recent column:

Republicans who hate Medicare, tried to slash Medicare in the past, and still aim to dismantle the program over time, have been scoring political points by denouncing proposals for modest cost savings - savings that are substantially smaller than the spending cuts buried in their own proposals.

He is following traditional liberal logic, and pointing out a literal contradiction: they denounce "cuts in Medicare" while wanting to eliminate Medicare and have proposed bigger cuts themselves.

But, from the perspective of real reason as conservatives use it, there is no contradiction. The highest conservative value is preserving and empowering their moral system itself. Medicare is anathema to their moral system - a fundamental insult. It violates free market principles and gives people things they haven't all earned. It is a system where some people are paying -God forbid! - for the medical care of others. For them, Medicare itself is immoral on a grand scale, a fundamental moral issue far more important than any minor proposal for "modest cost savings." I'm sorry to report it, but that is how conservatives are making use of real reason, and exploiting the fact that so many liberals think it's contradictory.

More: http://www.commondreams.org/view/2010/02/21-0

[Beartracks]

99. This is precisely why conservative morals do not jive with Christianity. n/t

[Cha]

8. If only America didn't have to suffer through those

fucking bush/cheney years ..we'd be a lot better off now but there would still be assholes like gingrich preaching doom and glooom bc that's all the fuck they know.

[me b zola]

90. Amazing, isn't it?

We sat here and watched as the republicans plundered every cent out of our treasury that they could get their filthy hands on during the bush/cheney years. The republicans lead us to third world nation status and now we have to listen to their bullshit about how liberalism/progressivism is destroying this nation.

[OHdem10]

9. How about I believe radical is a religious fascist machine so dedicated

to the destruction of America.....

I am using fascism defined of the merger of Business and the State,
with Business having pre-eminence. I am not saying Nazism--not yet.

At the roots of our circumstances today...A period of de-regulation
with no oversight by GOP Congress. Corporatism started by Reagan
was brought to full bloom under Bush and GOP.

[UpInArms]

10. Snewty Gingsow has no brain to lose

he was too busy re-writing the vocabulary so that no one could ever use any words that didn't make his language list that now all he does is babble about his 70 year war

'Language: A Key Mechanism of Control'

Update February 1995

Since winning control of Congress, Rep. Newt Gingrich (R.-Ga.) has constantly complained about "destructive" and "negative" coverage from the "liberal elite media."

For example, when asked on Nightline (11/29/94) about his reference to the Clintons as "counter-culture McGoverniks," he first insisted that he had been misquoted--"I used the term McGovernite, not McGovernik--it was one of those things that the Times picked up and therefore it's now history" (actually, at least four different newspapers--including the New York Times--quoted Gingrich in their November 10 editions as calling the Clintons "counter-culture McGoverniks")--and then blamed the media for selective reporting:

I didn't say that to attack the president, I was asked an analytic question. But because I am now the next speaker, I am learning that everything I say has to be worded carefully and thought through at a level that I've never experienced before in my life.


In fact, the new speaker of the House--who once described his goal as "reshaping the entire nation through the news media" (New York Times, 12/14/94)--has given a great deal of thought to the media and how to manipulate them. One Newtonian axiom is "fights make news" (Boston Globe, 11/20/94). Another skill he has taught to Republican candidates through his political organization, GOPAC, is how to create a "shield issue" to deflect criticism:

"A shield issue is just, you know, your opponent is going to attack you as lacking compassion," a GOPAC training tape advises. "You better find a good compassion issue where, you know, you show up in the local paper holding a baby in the neonatal center, and all you're trying to do is shield yourself from the inevitable attack."

But the clearest expression of Gingrich's philosophy of media came in a GOPAC memo entitled "Language: A Key Mechanism of Control." Distributed to GOP candidates across the country, the memo's list of words for Democrats and words for Republicans was endorsed by Gingrich in a cover letter: "The words in that paper are tested language from a recent series of focus groups where we actually tested ideas and language." Next time you hear Gingrich complain about media focusing on the negative, refer back to these lists.

<snip>

Contrasting Words

Often we search hard for words to help us define our opponents. Sometimes we are hesitant to use contrast. Remember that creating a difference helps you. These are powerful words that can create a clear and easily understood contrast. Apply these to the opponent, their record, proposals and their party.

decay... failure (fail)... collapse(ing)... deeper... crisis... urgent(cy)... destructive... destroy... sick... pathetic... lie... liberal... they/them... unionized bureaucracy... "compassion" is not enough... betray... consequences... limit(s)... shallow... traitors... sensationalists...

endanger... coercion... hypocrisy... radical... threaten... devour... waste... corruption... incompetent... permissive attitudes... destructive... impose... self-serving... greed... ideological... insecure... anti-(issue): flag, family, child, jobs... pessimistic... excuses... intolerant...

stagnation... welfare... corrupt... selfish... insensitive... status quo... mandate(s)... taxes... spend(ing)... shame... disgrace... punish (poor...)... bizarre... cynicism... cheat... steal... abuse of power... machine... bosses... obsolete... criminal rights... red tape... patronage

http://feeds.bignewsnetwork.com/?sid=151765">Gingrich tells Rumsfeld to dig in for 70-year war

Tuesday 7th March, 2006

Gingrich posits the creating an "Intelligent Effective Limited Government" which will use "entrepreneurial public management and modern information systems to modernize the government into a system compatible with the speed, agility, flexibility and efficiency of modern global companies."

Dismantling the government bureaucracy is a subject dear to Rumsfeld's heart. The day before the Pentagon was attacked in 2001, Rumsfeld unveiled his plan for transforming the business side of the Defense Department. His plans have hit a rough patch: while he got a rewrite of the hiring, firing and promotion rules governing the military's 700,000 civilian workers, a federal court essentially gutted the proposed system last week. Other components have made slow progress, in no small part due to the ongoing wars in Iraq and Afghanistan.

But Gingrich goes much further, prescribing a societal transformation, including a new national "theory and system" for dealing with "the irreconcilable wing of Islam" and a national math, science and basic research initiative to ensure the United States is prepared to compete economically with China and India in years to come.

Gingrich proposes a seven-point plan.

The first is establishing a "values and goals based" metrics for senior leadership, which would extend throughout the national security departments. He advocates the method used by then-May Rudolph Giuliani to reform the New York City Police Department, with daily reports to senior leadership on what has been achieved each day, combined with increased tactical authority for lower-level officials. He contrasts that with the "cumbersome World War II-style" monthly progress reports conducted for the Iraq war.

The second would be a massive overhaul of the non-defense agencies and departments involved in national security along the lines of the 1980's Goldwater-Nichols Act, which strengthened the Joint Staff and the combatant commanders, and created Special Operations Command. This new act would compel and ease interagency coordination across departments "to bring to bear all aspects of national power to achieve national and homeland security."

"None of the civilian systems have the habits, structures, training and career tracks needed to be complete participants in an effective system of national and homeland security," Gingrich writes.

One of the changes he envisions would be integrating the Defense, State and intelligence budgets into a single integrated whole.

"Only by presenting the national security system as a single system can Congress begin to understand that an effective foreign service may be as important as an effective training program for the military," he writes.

The third step is establishing a "theory and system" for winning the Long War with the Irreconcilable Wing of Islam." Gingrich suggests the war could last as long as 70 years, and complains that there is no central guidance for this new struggle on par with George Kennan's 1949 "Long Telegram" and Paul Nitze's 1950 NSC-68, both documents that described the problem of, and proposed a policy for, defeating the Soviet Union in the Cold War. Gingrich says that theory must be developed, as well as a strategy for keeping weapons of mass destruction out of the hands of dictators or rogue regimes that might give them to terrorists.

"Twenty-two years after the Marines were killed in Beirut and five years after the 9/11 attack on the American homeland, we still do not have a clear and compelling explanation of the Long War, the theory on how to win it, and the strategy and structures which that victory will require," he writes.

[Enthusiast]

40. Thank you, UpInArms.

That validates my previous post. If Gingrich's own words don't convict him I don't know what would. What horrible person!

The MIC needed a new boogie man after the loss of the USSR. With Gingrich in control we can have a never ending war with what he calls the Irreconcilable Wing of Islam.

[Sherman A1]

11. Thanks for Posting

Great Charts.

[BrklynLiberal]

12. Reality and truth are two things that the RWingnuts have a gret deal of trouble dealing with...

I believe they would not be able recognize either of them if they were bitten on their asses by them.


That entire crew, Gingrich, Hannity, Beck, o'lielly, etc..should get group rates at a place that has padded rooms for each of them..oh yes..and daily thorazine

[lib2DaBone]

13. If you haven't already...watch Real Time Bill Maher with Elliott Spitzer....

.,. it is a good segment where they talk about the DEMS failure to get the true message out, and why the DEMS always back down from the Repukes, even though we are right.


A very good video Clip.



http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/02/20/eliot-spitzers-tough-word_n_470013.html

[Enthusiast]

45. Great clip!

Thanks, lib2DaBone!

[MadMaddie]

14. What exactly does he mean by

<snip>
"I believe the radical left is a secular, socialist machine so dedicated to values destructive of America that if it is allowed to remain in power<snip>

I hope the powers that be are watching and listening because Newt and others are inciting violence.

[Liberal Gramma]

16. Which powers that be would that be?

I think if action must be taken, we will have to do it ourselves. Look at how the "powers" have protected your rights and the constitution lately: the Supreme Court has awarded the benefits of personhood (but not the responsibilities) to corporations; the Justice Department has decided that we shouldn't prosecute war crimes if they are committed by elected politicians; and the media has made such a bfd of the tea parties that they actually think they are a revolutionary force. We're in it alone.

[Enthusiast]

47. Liberal Gramma, that was one

fine post! And your post illustrates just how complicit the M$M is in all this.

[MadMaddie]

78. I know you are right

I still hold some hope that sanity will return to this country.

Those two decisions you described will have unintended consequences. We have seen what happens when you take Nixon era people who were involved in crimes and let them run free did to the country. 30 years later they screwed this country over so bad that recovery is all but impossible.

[hollowdweller]

17. The GOP are not gracious losers

They were in power so long and became so arrogant that they no longer understand how to lose graciously.

They think it's the end of the republic rather than just that the voters changed their minds in 06 and 08?

I think they are getting the loonies way to worked up with their rhetoric. It's one thing to oppose the other parties policies but it's really irresponsible to suggest that the Democrats are enemies of the country. Sort of scarey.

[Enthusiast]

48. They are following the playbook of

RW hate radio(Limbaugh).

You makes some great points. It is scary. It's scary when the winning party is relegated to playing defense constantly instead of enacting meaningful legislation.

[TankLV]

27. It's "Mein Kampf" all over again - they're PUBLICIZING their intentions and goals CLEARLY for all to

see - just like Hitler did - and we are ignoring or poo pooing the whole thing - just like we all did with Hitler - and then in a few years - in the middle of this assult aknew on the Constitution, etc. - we will all be "surprised" and wondering how this could possibly happen!!!!

[Enthusiast]

49. +1, TankLV! nt

[MadMaddie]

79. I agree with you 100%

I think many of us are aware of it and acknowledge the similarities. Many others don't want to use the Hitler analogy because it's just unfathomable that it could happen in this country. Well the Germans said the same thing and look where it got them.....

[JHB]

31. He means "blah blah blah hate liberals blah blah blah support me..."

Newt's MO is to toss red meat to his base, and they don't get much baser than CPAC. He punches their hot buttons tp get them charged up with hate and revulsion for the opposition. Mere facts have never been a consideration. This is classic Newt, the way he rose to prominence in the first place.

Until the day comes where Newt is persona non grata in Washington, "bipartisanship" is a fool's errand.

[The Wizard]

35. Radical left is subjective

and determined by the perceptions of the speaker or viewer. Most people see themselves as close to the middle.
It's one of those terms that gets thrown out there for consumption and goes without being challenged.
No one ever challenges the word freedom, but it's an abstract term that applies in different ways to different situations. If everyone's fantasies were to be realized would the world be a better place?

[Enthusiast]

46. Thought crimes.

The right has succeeded in demonizing progressive thought. Of course they have been engaged in this for more than 30 years. And just look what it has gotten us. What kind of a country do these assholes want to live in?!

[zbdent]

18. and here I thought it was a headline from a 1985 archived article ...

[progressoid]

19. Blah blah blah.

Typical of you libruls; too many facts, not enough hyperbole.

[Dappleganger]

20. Newt: Respect my Moral Majoritayyyy!

Shove it in your pie hole, hypocrite.

[zulchzulu]

21. The "Left" will run Richard Reid the Shoebomber for President because he's Amurikin!

Right Newt?

:crazy:

[donheld]

22. You're assuming he ever had one?

[Kyril Enko]

59. My thought exactly!

[tavalon]

24. Newty has always been lacking a mind so this is just him gearing up for a run

[damonm]

25. Socialism?

My man Inigo Montoya says it best:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G2y8Sx4B2Sk

[DeSwiss]

26. It was never a threat....

... of being much to lose.

""I found a cause (religion) large enough to immerse my insecurities, that was large enough to justify whatever I wanted it to." Newt Gingrich - From: http://www.democracynow.org/2009/9/4/republican_gomorrah_inside_the_movement_that">“Republican Gomorrah: Inside the Movement that Shattered the Party”

- So he became a Catholic in order to clear his pea-sized conscience, or what passes for a conscience in a Republican. And of course with them, he fit right in.....

K&R

[old mark]

28. What "radical left" is he fucking talking about? I can't understand why

anyone would consider Obama's administration anything more than moderate, even conservative.
I'm not complaining - I think overall Obama is a good man doing a great job, but in certain cases he is reminicent of Bush II.

I don't know of ANY "radical leftists" in democratic politics at a national level, and damn few anywhere at all.

(I made this point on a RW gun forum and was told I should find another country in which to reside, since I "revealed" that I was way left of the commie Obama....but then these people are all nuts anyway.)

mark

ADDED: Newt never speaks truth when he can tell a lie, never has, never will.

[Enthusiast]

50. I agree, old mark. nt

[humbled_opinion]

101. haven't you been paying attention?

Its a common sense black and white argument with no room for academic gray..

Massive ice and snow storms this year after a hacker exposed some questionable emails of the climate change scientists has become a meme of There is no man caused global warming it is a Hoax therefore the credibility of Liberals like Al Gore who were bringing attention to the issue is shot don't you dare try and pass nonsense like cap and trade where companies will pass these costs down to the people because government is now the arbiter of who is causing global warming that is a hoax...

Credibility of Obama is shot because he said that passing the Stimulus would ensure Unemployment did not go over 8 percent stimulus passed without and Repukes and unemployment went over 8 percent. No repuke supported Stimulus so Democrats get blamed for its failure to produce a result that was promoted.

Next up Healthcare Obama says you can keep what you got? huh if its broke why would I want to keep what I got, means you must not be sure yours is better then what I got credibility shot. Sarah Palin told me that big govt will be making decisions regarding my healthcare and government is a bunch of bean counters only worried about the bottom line so I won't get a new heart when this one goes bad because a bunch of govt people will decide that I do not warrant one, death panels...

Next up, teabags.... Fake grassroots anger over BIG GOVERNMENT INTRUSION ON CIVIL LIBERTIES (where were these baggers when BUSH was signing the Patriot act but I digress) Obama implementing TARP that wasn't even his idea but he implements it becomes big govt takeover of Banks, Bails out auto industry, becomes govt takeover, Govt is going to tax you and tax you and tax you so it can create green energy jobs that will destroy the private sector non-green energy jobs, big govt, government, government cheese handed out to welfare people paid for by taxpayers, Obama expanding government, big intrusive government, fouding fathers, Constitution says limited power of Government must protect ourselves from Government overreach and big government is coming to get all of us soon...


CREDIBILITY...

[old mark]

106. What I see is not so much credibility as media being bought and paid for by the GOP.

I see the stimulus WORKING, more slowly than touted, but WORKING!!! I see a lot of republican obstructionism and actual attempts to sabotage the recovery of our country and the well being of our people to make political points. I see the Democrats dithering, playing safe and walking around in a daze, but finally beginning to respond aggressively to the republican traitors in congress and the media. I want to see much more of this behavior, and I applaud fighting back and I detest those who whimper and tell us all how badly we are losing.

mark

[JHB]

29. Newt didn't lose his mind, just any sense of honesty or integrity

This is classic, "old-school", boilerplate Newt, his standard MO. When he's pushing an agenda, he will say anything -- ANYTHING -- that will throw red meat to his audience and get them stampedeing in the direction he wants them to go.

There's a reason why it was his own allies that coined the phrase "Tell Newt to Shut Up".

[Enthusiast]

51. Newt never had a sense

of honesty or integrity. Not that I've ever seen.

[howmad1]

100. So I see how far a sense of honesty and integrity has gotten.....

....the Democratic party, much less the progressive movement, such as it is. Joke all you want about this asshole along with the CPAC crowd, teabaggers, Palin, Steele, Cheney and the rest of the rethugs. Lets see how funny things are going to get beginning this Nov. through 2012. I don't see any sign of the progressives gaining the strength of the rightwing whacko's and it scares the living crap out of me.

[JHB]

102. Oh, there's no "joking" involved in what I wrote.

It's a warning to not kid ourselves we're up aganist, and to fight them.

And the leadership of the Democratic Party has been kidding themselves for a danm long time.

[Enthusiast]

105. It was a little encouraging

to read the comments at the CNN site. They were overwhelmingly against Newt's views.

Many of the anti-Newt variety had some excellent points. Those in sympathy for Newt's position often read like the words of children.

But, like you said, it doesn't matter if we're right. Only results count. History teaches us that the righteous don't always win.

[mfcorey1]

30. Newr missed one his important meetings today....the ku klux klan met in Nahunta, Georgia

http://projects.ajc.com/gallery/view/metro/topics/ku-klux-klan-photos/2.html

[malletgirl02]

32. Left Values

Doesn't he know all these values he calls leftist and "socialist" is the only reason his beloved capitalist system survived the Great Depression.

[Enthusiast]

52. He (they) won't admit it.

Reinact Glass-Steagal now!

[WinkyDink]

33. Republicans have ALWAYS known how to rile up the voters. Can Dems PLEASE SPEAK UP AGGRESSIVELY?!?!

[rasputin1952]

34. Sanity is not Newt's strongpoint...

;)

[recovering democrat]

37. Never had one to begin with

You have to have a mind in order to lose it. Newt never had one.

[Jakes Progress]

38. It's not his mind.

It's his soul. He long ago gave away any form of integrity or respect for truth. Another soulless husk for the republican machine.

[RedRoses323]

54. Ditto

:thumbsup:

[Enthusiast]

39. Newt Gingrich?

No way. He know exactly what he is selling. And he has been selling this same message since the early 1990s. He is a master at misinformation.

It matters little that what he says has no validity. The M$M will repeat whatever he says. And they will repeat it in such a way as to give his words great weight.

[UpInArms]

44. well, yes, they will sell "it" to everyone with him as the moving mouth person

since he is on their payroll and the payroll

Will Fox News Drop Newt Gingrich?

October 29, 2009

the television ratings, Fox News is coming under serious scrutiny. But there is no reason why this scrutiny should come exclusively from those on the left who are jealous of the cable channel's success. Conservatives should not hesitate to offer their own critique of the popular news network.

Since Fox News has come to symbolize in the public mind the conservative viewpoint, conservatives should examine which personalities and issues are being presented regularly on the cable channel. Inevitably, such an analysis will focus on former Republican House Speaker Newt Gingrich, who seems to appear every few days on "The O'Reilly Factor," "Hannity," or "On the Record with Greta Van Susteren."

However, Gingrich's position as a Fox News regular may be in jeopardy because of his abandonment of the conservative candidate, Doug Hoffman, in a special election race in New York. One of the White House criticisms of Fox News is that it is an arm of the Republican Party. The regular use of Gingrich, a knee-jerk Republican who defers to party bosses, tends to support that thesis.

Since many people tune into Fox News to ascertain the conservative point of view, the regular use of Gingrich will become disconcerting and problematic to many members of its viewing audience. In a major break with some of his on-air colleagues, independent conservative and Fox News host Glenn Beck openly has questioned Gingrich's embrace of the official Republican candidate, liberal Dede Scozzafava, in the race. Beck noted her ties to ACORN and interviewed her conservative opponent, Hoffman. The interview ran under the headline, "Principles or Party?" and is now featured on Hoffman's website.

While he supports the official Republican nominee in the New York race, out of deference to party leaders, Gingrich irritates conservatives and Republicans alike by giving credence to causes embraced by far-left liberals in the Democratic Party. He filmed a climate change ad with radical House Speaker Nancy Pelosi and currently conducts joint appearances with racial agitator Al Sharpton, a figure in the Democratic Party, on educational matters. The Gingrich-Sharpton tour was actually announced by the Obama White House and is being sponsored by the federal Department of Education.

[Roland99]

41. Clinton did NOT leave a $5.6 Trillion surplus

The deficit continued to increase until his last 2 fiscal years where we had small surpluses....like $100 billion.

[Faygo Kid]

42. ". . .ALLOWED to remain in power. . ."?? WTF?

Didn't we have that little thing called an election? I know it's a quaint notion to Fascists like Newt, but that's a disturbing quote, even for him.

[ginnyinWI]

55. You have to lie when you've got nothing--

this convention was all about feeding red meat to the base, and when they've got no facts they have to feed lies. Politics as usual.

[The Doctor.]

56. They're completely insane.

They believe that which is utterly false simply because it supports their views.

What can men do against such mindless hate?

[ShadowLiberal]

58. It's the GOP who's values are destroying America

Lets see here, what values of the GOP's have been screwing over America lately that we haven't gotten around to fixing yet?

-Taking away financial regulations & safeguards, allowing idiots to screw up the economy for everyone just for the hope of short term gain for them, the exact same way that people caused the great depression doing stuff like borrowing money & investing it all in the stock market. We've seen why that doesn't work.

-Promoting ignorance through bashing all their smart well educated opponents as 'elitists', and the ignorant of their own as 'common man' who you want to run the country. Umm... would you hire a 'common man' to fix your plumbing despite the fact that he didn't know half the stuff he should about plumbing to be a plumber, or would you hire an 'elitist' professional who knows all about plumbing and exactly what they're doing?

-Promoting ignorance through rewriting history in ways that sound an awful lot like 'brain washing', such as removing the good days for liberals, and turning conservatives usually painted in a very N light like McCarthy into American heroes. Oh and don't forget how long that failing and underperforming schools have been a problem, how is doing this going to make that any better?

-Forcing women to have unwanted pregnancies, even if they can't afford another kid, or got pregnant by being raped, or if they're like 13 years old. And then once they have the kids refusing to have government give them any help they need, afterall, that would be socialism! Not to mention the fact that the earth is overcrowded enough as it is, and this kind of a philosophy just makes things even worse.

-Open racism towards Hispanics because of anger over illegal immigration, and bigotry just like racism towards gays for being gay. Whatever happened to respecting your fellow man for who they are? The hate crimes that this king of hatred produces is horrible, yet the bigoted neocons just add fuel the fire trying to stir up the crazies for political gain.

-Insisting that tax cuts can solve anything economic, including big deficits. One of the republicans Obama appointed to his budget commission really said that this was delusional because under Bush "republicans didn't cut spending like was necessary, they just spent on more stuff like Iraq, the medicare drug bill, without paying for any of it". And really, cutting taxes to increase revenue when you have a big deficit already? That's like a business saying "we're losing $100 million dollars a month, lets cut our prices again even though they're already half off".

[Overseas]

61. Not really. He has always been an ardent liar. Just more brazen now

seeing Cheney lead the way, and given the Luntz plan to abandon all pretense of rationality.

Gingrich used to feel that he needed to invent ways to slant the truth (i.e. his famous "Language: A Key Mechanism of Control"), but Dick the Torture Chief and Luntz the Liars' Liberator have shown him that truth needn't inhibit them any more.

Once the right has solidified its ownership of our mass media to the extent that it has, truth really doesn't matter much anymore. Blatant liars like Cheney, Boehner, Cantor, McConnel and others get air time whenever they want it, without much challenge to their demonstrably false statements.

And Democrats pretended their party had not gone totally off the rails when they took power. Democrats didn't call for a time-out on the destructive losers' ideas-- they courted their support, even as we all knew it would not be forthcoming.

Had Republicans taken office after a Clinton Crash and Clinton Bankers' Bailout, would they have been sweetly bipartisan or would they have said-- You All Screwed Up! No way we're working with you idiots! Unless your little blue dogs want to join us.

[AlbertCat]

62. He has always been an ardent liar.

Now he's a senile, ardent liar.

My father had a copy of "To Renew America", a book Newty wrote back during the Clinton Occupation of the '90s :eyes:

It's the damnedest bunch of platitudes and SciFi fantasies ever coddled together. And neither he nor his party has ever done one of the things espoused in the book to "renew" America....were it a sane or loopy suggestion

[Overseas]

70. Yes they've lied for a long time. Just seems like Liars Gone Wild these days.

What with Dick the Torturer on tour and such comprehensive right wing control of our mass media, with a few token liberal shows tossed in to the mix for pretend balance.

[Rozlee]

63. Broken Record Question # 12011--Why do I belong to a party of pussies

Demonization. They do it. We don't. We should. Especially since they take lies and twist them further. We could just blast out truths after truths after truths. Instead we get on TV and talk sweetly about bipartisanship. Obama could have swept in like a tornado and nationalized the banking system for a few years until the credit crisis was over; he could have reinstalled Glass-Steagall; he could have shoved through real health care reform through a public option before last August when the town hall fascists showed up. He could have, should have. And it would have worked because people were ready for a strong leader. He could have squashed the Republicans like bugs by demonizing them the way they've demonized us. The first thing Bush did when he came in was lock out Democrats and plot behind closed doors when Rethugs. When they came out, they passed 1.5 trillion dollar tax cuts for the rich, cut out Democrats from Cheney's Energy meetings, and passed anti-environmental and anti-middle class regulations out the wazoo. And guess what? It worked! And all his programs were vastly unpopular with the electorate. Obama was swept in to take care of the problems above.

[AlbertCat]

75. Obama was swept in to take care of the problems above.

By doing the same thing?

Doing things by the rules is always harder. Everyone on the news and here used to crow about what a genius Karl Rove was. But what's genius about lying, stealing and cheating? Anyone can get ahead that way....until they get caught.

[Yeahyeah]

65. You know he's got a Confederate flag on a wall somewhere.

[AlbertCat]

73. You know he's got a Confederate flag on a wall somewhere.

You mean a real one, or that fake one they fly in SC?


I think he has any flag on any wall anywhere he thinks it will get him ahead.

[gtar100]

66. We should take him at his word. He means to incite violence against us.

You don't use words like "radical left", "values destruction", "machine", "survival of America", etc., and expect people to think about following standard political discourse. No, these are fighting words, these are meant to scare people on the right into thinking their world is crumbling and we are to blame.

Gingrich is a right-wing terrorist and should be dealt with as such.

[lxlxlxl]

67. It's disgusting isnt it?

Newt knows his time is up, and the mess we are in is a direct function of his and his cronies failures. He has a history of hyperbole when it comes to political talk, and this isnt any different.

[Martin Eden]

69. Gingrich has NOT lost his mind

Nor is he stupid.

He is a lying sack of shit rethuglican who will do/say anything to revive his party's political fortunes. This is primarily achieved by fabricating/distorting/ignoring relevant facts and by scaring the shit out of people too ignorant to know the difference between objective facts and intentional deception.

Gingrich knows the difference, but for him the means (lying, fearmongering) juistifies his ends.

We need to understand that Newt and his ilk are not stupid or crazy. They're very accomplished liars who need to be dealt with accordingly.

[SlingBlade]

71. Gingrich is purposeful detraction meant to remind us that

the bad cop exist. No more no less.

Now, Back to reality, Looking backwards, John Yoo, HCR, War Crimes, Corporate Welfare... Hope !

[billybob537]

74. desperate acts

Desperate party of no.
They're slowly losing the message war.
Intelligent reasonable people are winning.
That's why they get more and more desperate.

[AlbertCat]

77. They're slowly losing the message war.

People are tired of bickering.

Which party looks like it's not cooperating and bickering the most? The going is slow, and the "reaching out" looks futile, but the Repugs are becoming the ones everyone is tired of. They MAKE even legislating futile! The Dems need to continue to highlight that. The "Party of No" label has stuck.

[defendandprotect]

76. Gringrich is a prolific right wing propagandist -- and frequently loses his mind!!

Remember when he was telling Americans they had no right to NOT practice

a religion???

Another right wing bully -- who's succeeding with a push from right wing corporate-

press and stolen elections!!

[Jeff In Milwaukee]

80. The last time Gingrich used that rhetoric somebody blew up the OKC Federal Building

Who dies this time, Newt?

[liberal N proud]

81. When you have nothing good in your party, you just make shit up

The Republicans are experts at making shit up because they have never had anything good.

[Mopar151]

85. 'When all you have is nuthin', nuthin' makes you glad"

from "Life Sucks", by the Fools

[patrice]

82. Nothing could be further from the Truth and that's why he said, and will continue to say, it.

[omega minimo]

83. When was he ever SANE? He is the CHIEF SPOKESLIAR, with LUNTZ, after REAGAN of the past 30 years

:evilfrown: AND LIMBOT

[SalviaBlue]

84. Awesome graphics... very useful. Thanks!! nt

[on point]

86. Actually Republicans are the biggest threat to American Ideals

The ignorant, theocratic, fascist and delusional right wing is actually the biggest threat to American ideals, and to the health of the country and the world. They understand neither the letter nor the spirit of the constitution, nor the march of human progress. They live in a world of their own making, assuming philosophical tenets in economics and government management that not only do not make coherent sense, but have been shown to be empirically wrong. Yet they persist in promoting them. They deride those people who are well informed, educated and able to exercise critical thinking skills because these people are able to show the right wing thinking to be fundamentally flawed. When confronted with information that challenges their beliefs, they would rather attack the presenters than change their beliefs. The danger is that for too long democratic forces of civilization have let their pronouncements go unchallenged, thinking that facts, wisdom and clarity of thought would when the logical arguments. But these people are not logically based. They are delusional. And now they have built up a mantra of things assumed to be true, that even we take as axioms of truth, when in fact they are completely wrong. Things like all government regulation is inherently bad, or that market forces always yields the optimum results, or even they are on the side of good, when in fact history shows them to be on the side of the most evil and vile impulses of humanity. These brown shirts need to be challenged always and everywhere, so that the nonsense they spout soon is seen for the delusions they are.

[PatSeg]

88. Great post and

excellent use of charts and graphs. Says so much in a short time.

[tomp]

91. doesn't rahm emmanuel think the same thing? nt

[FunMe]

92. Gingrich still alive?

I thought he left when Jerry Falwell did.

Crazy people do say the darnest things!

[depakid]

93. What people should be asking themselves is why (and how) Republicans get elected

and win policy fights. Over and over.

They must be doing something right- or rather, Democrats must have a tendency to be doing something really wrong...

[LynneSin]

94. Doesn't one have to have a mind first in order to lose it

:eyes:

[geckosfeet]

96. Great excellent super fantastic charts that even a drunken one eyed tea bagger can understand.

These need to be plastered all over all media for next 10 months.

Bookmarking this thread for future chart thievery.

[HughMoran]

98. The Republicans think Americans are stupid

Oh, ummm, never mind :eyes:

[Dinger]

103. Well That's News To Me

I didn't know he had one to lose. Wow!

[rosesaylavee]

104. The first graph is apparently wrong...

I would love it to be true and for someone here to prove to me that it is true and refute this link: http://www.factcheck.org/askfactcheck/during_the_clinton_administration_was_the_federal.html

And if that graph is off, just how accurate are the others.

Sorry Prosense. I enjoy your posts but had to add what I discovered. Please show me how the link from fact check is wrong as I was loving these graphs earlier today.

[NoSheep]

107. These graphs should be plastered on every front page of every newspaper in the US.

[Blue_Tires]

108. never miss what you never had...