Since when has government "created" jobs?? this question was...

[centristgrandpa]

a retort to a reply i posted. Lets start with facts; The nature of America’s troubles is easy to state. We're in the aftermath of a severe financial crisis, which has led to mass job destruction. The only thing that's keeping us from sliding into a second Great Depression is deficit spending. And right now we need more of that deficit spending because millions of American lives are being blighted by high Unemployment, and the government should be doing everything it can to bring unemployment down.

How can this apparent conflict between short run needs and long run responsibilities be resolved? Intellectually, it's not hard at all. We should combine actions that create jobs now with other actions that will reduce deficits later. And economic officials in the Obama administration understand that logic; for the past year they have been very clear that their vision involves combining fiscal stimulus to help the economy now with health care reform to help the budget later.
The sad truth, however, is that our political system doesn't seem capable of doing what's necessary.

On jobs, it's now clear that the Obama stimulus wasn't nearly big enough. No need now to resolve the question of whether the administration should or could have sought a bigger package early last year. Either way, the point is that the boost from the stimulus will start to fade out in around six months, yet we're still facing years of mass unemployment. The latest projections from the Congressional Budget Office say that the average unemployment rate next year will be only slightly lower than the current, disastrous, 10 percent. Yet there is little sentiment in Congress for any major new Job Creation Efforts.

So we're paralyzed in the face of mass unemployment and out of control health care costs. Don't blame Mr. Obama. There’s only so much one man can do, even if he sits in the White House. Blame our political culture instead, a culture that rewards hypocrisy and irresponsibility rather than serious efforts to solve America's problems. And blame the filibuster, under which 41 senators can make the country ungovernable, if they choose and they have so chosen. (paul krugman)

To answer your question, Now is the time for Government to step in and do the right thing, create Jobs...

http://krugmanonline.com/

[YOY]

1. I find the question idiotic in and of itself.

Since government started has it created jobs from the tribal days to the present.

Using multiple vehicles such as back to work programs, social initiatives like the New Deal and even with Technological based initiatives such as Semitech.

The question really is beyond fucking moronic.

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[Zenlitened]

4. Great Moments In Irony.

:spray:

Is there any possibility that the poster was in agreement with you on this?

Think so.

Might want to lighten up and re-read with that possibility in mind.

[YOY]

5. Really? What's so idiotic about me? Do tell.

Because I just pointed out that the question is beyond idiotic with a single sentence with two simple examples.

So how did you get "moron" from citing semitech and the New Deal as examples? Do you find fault in those examples???

Unless you actually believe that the government is incapable of creating jobs and feel that those examples are non-sequitar...when on fact they are two perfect examples of very different means to creating jobs.

[centristgrandpa]

8. my bad YOY !

i completely missed your point, sorry and i withdraw my foolhardy reply. please accept my apology...

[YOY]

9. No worries. We all do it.

Everyone flies off on occasion...I am no exception to the rule personally.

[centristgrandpa]

12. thanks...

i was talking business on the phone and speed reading, not a good mix today...

[lapfog_1]

3. Sadly, a moronic comment often heard from the radical right.

Take my family (most are die hard republicans). This last Thanksgiving they were all making similar comments around the post Turkey dinner. Thing is, of the 12 adults in the room, 9 had either direct or indirect government jobs, one is on SS (disability), two are not working at present (including me).

10 out of 12 had either SS payments or direct government jobs from Sheriff deputy, youth counselor, University research assistant, University IT worker, National Parks worker, active duty military, etc. etc. All of then dependent on taxpayers to pay for them. It's just that they never think of THEMSELVES as "government workers".

Sometimes you really want to :banghead:

[The Northerner]

6. As Byron Dorgan said a few days ago on C-SPAN, the govt. doesn't create jobs

The private sector does.

We need to stop outsourcing, end tax credits for outsourcers, stop wasting money on bank bailouts, & everything that impedes small business growth.

[Tesha]

7. Tell that line of bullshit to Electric Boat, Bath Iron Works, Ingalls Shipbuilding, and a host of...

...other "Private Industries" that couldn't exist except for sucking on
the teat of the government (in the form of the military).

And how about the Eisenhower Interstate Highway System.

And school systems everywhere.

The government creates *PLENTY* of jobs.

Tesha

[centristgrandpa]

10. kudos Tesha...n/t

[DeadEyeDyck]

11. Okay, I get what you are saying but aren't all those

payrolls, even defense, paid by the private sector via taxes?

[Tesha]

16. No. Direct Federal employees pay taxes too. (NT)

[tledford]

13. Bingo. The loss of working class and middle class jobs is the result...

...of deliberate and calculated policy, one which started in 1981 and is intended to (and has been successful at) redistributing wealth from the middle class to the super-rich.

[hayu_lol]

14. I don't believe anyone, with the single exception of Roosevelt...

has ever created jobs. He had the writers project, the CCC and other direct efforts to get daily work for millions of our unemployed during the 1st depression.

Others offered large construction projects but that isn't exactly the same thing.

[YOY]

15. Silicon Vally was created with a Tech based initiative.

They developed the Semiconductor and turned it over to companies for civilian use. Thus the vally was born...but first a whole bunch of government money went into it.

The Japanese do it all the time. Even fucking Reagan did it. The Clean Energy initiative is of the same vein.

It the same end (roughly) with different means.

[centristgrandpa]

17. funny you should mention...

reagone the bass-turd, why in the world they give him soul much credit for nothing, beyond my comprehension...