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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-30-10 07:44 PM Original message |
How is Wikileaks accountable? How is Wikileaks transparent? |
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jaxx (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-30-10 07:47 PM Response to Original message |
1. Good questions. |
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Vinnie From Indy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-30-10 09:12 PM Response to Reply #1 |
50. "What do we know about Assange's motives? " |
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sudopod (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-01-10 01:33 AM Response to Reply #1 |
94. Joseph McCarthy called, he'd like his paranoia back. nt |
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MineralMan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-30-10 07:48 PM Response to Original message |
2. Excellent questions. Google can provide some answers |
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PeaceNikki (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-30-10 07:49 PM Response to Original message |
3. I will watch for answers. |
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PBS Poll-435 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-30-10 07:49 PM Response to Original message |
4. How do we authenticate the documents? nt |
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joeybee12 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-30-10 07:56 PM Response to Reply #4 |
8. The fact that people in power are really pissed off and not denying their authenticity...nt |
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WinkyDink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-01-10 07:29 AM Response to Reply #4 |
101. You aren't serious? |
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Drale (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-30-10 07:49 PM Response to Original message |
5. Thank you for asking the question |
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AndrewP (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-30-10 07:50 PM Response to Original message |
6. Good questions indeed |
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Pholus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-30-10 07:55 PM Response to Original message |
7. I don't know. Substitute "Government" or "Corporations" for "Wikileaks" and I still don't know. |
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joeybee12 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-30-10 07:57 PM Response to Original message |
9. Nice bait and switch...happy to unrec...this should not be about |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-30-10 08:02 PM Response to Reply #9 |
13. I'm not disputing the docs. Wikileaks claims to be about |
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joeybee12 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-30-10 08:12 PM Response to Reply #13 |
22. If you don't dispute the docs, then there is no other issue... |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-30-10 08:17 PM Response to Reply #22 |
25. Of course his motives matter. Just because some document |
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jberryhill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-30-10 10:33 PM Response to Reply #22 |
81. Motives do matter |
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Fool Count (878 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-01-10 01:39 AM Response to Reply #13 |
96. Well, for one, we know that Wikileaks don't start wars and kill civilians |
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ProudDad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-01-10 02:24 PM Response to Reply #13 |
108. Then do some research |
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Bluerthanblue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-30-10 08:08 PM Response to Reply #9 |
18. "consider the source" and their integrity and motivation- |
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marybourg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-30-10 07:59 PM Response to Original message |
10. Wikileaks is not our government and does not have to meet |
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northernlights (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-30-10 08:01 PM Response to Original message |
11. Assange's motives are published |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-30-10 08:07 PM Response to Reply #11 |
14. Governments rely on diplomacy to work out differences. |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-30-10 08:18 PM Response to Reply #14 |
26. Your reasoning is still faulty. |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-30-10 08:26 PM Response to Reply #26 |
37. Diplomacy is ONE of the issues. Many of the emails released |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-30-10 09:20 PM Response to Reply #37 |
53. No, no one is arguing that diplomacy is unnecessary. n/t |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-30-10 10:09 PM Response to Reply #53 |
63. In supporting what Assange did, you're supporting someone |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-01-10 12:00 AM Response to Reply #63 |
84. Well, no, I'm not. Either you have no idea how Wikileaks has proceeded |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-30-10 08:07 PM Response to Reply #11 |
15. delete (dupe) |
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Bluerthanblue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-30-10 08:02 PM Response to Original message |
12. K&R and looking forward to hearing any genuine answers- |
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abelenkpe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-30-10 08:08 PM Response to Original message |
16. You can donate to wikileaks just as you can to wikipedia |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-30-10 08:19 PM Response to Reply #16 |
27. I don't listen to Faux news, but apparently you do. |
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abelenkpe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-30-10 08:24 PM Response to Reply #27 |
34. No I don't but good try. |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-30-10 08:29 PM Response to Reply #34 |
41. Only a fraction of the 250,000 documents have been released. |
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Canuckistanian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-30-10 08:08 PM Response to Original message |
17. They really should release their policy statement (if they have one) |
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abelenkpe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-30-10 08:12 PM Response to Reply #17 |
20. google can help you locate their site you know. |
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abelenkpe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-30-10 08:22 PM Response to Reply #17 |
31. Here |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-30-10 08:25 PM Response to Reply #17 |
35. And if they weren't trying to sell the documents to news organizations. n/t |
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Canuckistanian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-30-10 09:13 PM Response to Reply #35 |
51. Are they selling? |
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jberryhill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-30-10 09:35 PM Response to Reply #51 |
56. Based on what? |
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Canuckistanian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-30-10 09:55 PM Response to Reply #56 |
57. YOU made the assumption |
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jberryhill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-30-10 10:19 PM Response to Reply #57 |
72. I have no assumption or opinion either way |
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Canuckistanian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-30-10 10:25 PM Response to Reply #72 |
74. I replied hastily |
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jberryhill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-30-10 10:30 PM Response to Reply #74 |
78. No prob |
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Canuckistanian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-30-10 10:50 PM Response to Reply #78 |
83. I agree |
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jberryhill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-01-10 01:05 AM Response to Reply #83 |
87. He is a frequent client of mine /nt |
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Canuckistanian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-30-10 10:01 PM Response to Reply #56 |
59. (revised) Their own statement |
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jberryhill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-30-10 10:26 PM Response to Reply #59 |
75. "not for profit" organizations can make a lot of money |
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ProudDad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-01-10 02:25 PM Response to Reply #17 |
109. Utterly Irrelevant |
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abelenkpe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-30-10 08:11 PM Response to Original message |
19. http://wikileaks.org/ |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-30-10 08:21 PM Response to Reply #19 |
29. That site doesn't begin to answer the questions. n/t |
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abelenkpe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-30-10 08:25 PM Response to Reply #29 |
36. Given that you answered me so quickly you clearly did not |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-30-10 08:29 PM Response to Reply #36 |
43. I did read the site. Where on it does it detail its financials? n/t |
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Canuckistanian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-30-10 09:26 PM Response to Reply #19 |
54. Their "About" page gives a lot of information and assurances |
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Cleita (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-30-10 08:12 PM Response to Original message |
21. Randi Rhodes answered all your questions this |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-30-10 08:22 PM Response to Reply #21 |
30. No, she didn't. And she couldn't. She doesn't have any access |
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Cleita (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-01-10 01:30 AM Response to Reply #30 |
92. I really wish you would make some sense some day. |
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SPKrazy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-30-10 09:57 PM Response to Reply #21 |
58. Wouldn't That Be A Good Job For A Journalist? |
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mmonk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-30-10 08:15 PM Response to Original message |
23. Is that really the question? |
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WillyT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-30-10 08:16 PM Response to Original message |
24. I Don't Know... Are Leakers Accountable ??? |
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scarletwoman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-30-10 08:20 PM Response to Original message |
28. Accountable for what? "By their fruits ye shall know them." |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-30-10 08:24 PM Response to Reply #28 |
33. Assange is behind his own curtain. n/t |
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abelenkpe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-30-10 08:26 PM Response to Reply #33 |
38. YOu really have a bug up your butt about this |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-30-10 08:27 PM Response to Reply #38 |
39. No one's forcing you to waste your precious time. n/t |
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jberryhill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-01-10 01:07 AM Response to Reply #38 |
88. Because a "discussion forum" is a place where people can share knowledge and ideas /nt |
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scarletwoman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-30-10 08:46 PM Response to Reply #33 |
47. Right. He's actually Dr. Evil and he wants to RULE THE WORLD!!!!1!1!11 |
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Fumesucker (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-30-10 08:23 PM Response to Original message |
32. I didn't realize that Wikileaks was a government agency.. |
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Violet_Crumble (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-30-10 08:29 PM Response to Reply #32 |
42. Yeah, that's news to me as well.. |
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abelenkpe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-30-10 08:28 PM Response to Original message |
40. Yawn. |
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JVS (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-30-10 08:30 PM Response to Original message |
44. Wiki-leaks is just another news company, like CBS. |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-30-10 10:13 PM Response to Reply #44 |
66. CBS is a publicly traded company. We know much more about CBS |
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HEyHEY (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-30-10 10:13 PM Response to Reply #44 |
67. Watch for them to start charging papers for subscriptions soons |
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JVS (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-30-10 10:42 PM Response to Reply #67 |
82. Watch them copyright the linked material and then use the court system to sue... |
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jberryhill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-01-10 01:09 AM Response to Reply #82 |
89. US government works are excluded from copyright |
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TexasObserver (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-30-10 08:38 PM Response to Original message |
45. OMG! How do we know Wikileaks isn't the Dark Side?! |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-30-10 10:14 PM Response to Reply #45 |
68. Wikileaks isn't publishing information about its finances online. |
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TexasObserver (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-30-10 10:21 PM Response to Reply #68 |
73. Have you tried informing yourself, as I suggested? |
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provis99 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-30-10 08:45 PM Response to Original message |
46. governments can confirm whether the leaks are true or not. |
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scarletwoman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-30-10 08:51 PM Response to Reply #46 |
48. The fact that the S.o.S. is flying around the world apologizing would tend to confirm |
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larkrake (101 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-30-10 09:01 PM Response to Original message |
49. He fills the need for honest details in media |
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mike_c (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-30-10 09:16 PM Response to Original message |
52. unrec for being a fatuous attack utterly without merit.... |
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PeaceNikki (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-30-10 09:30 PM Response to Reply #52 |
55. Oh come on. |
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HEyHEY (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-30-10 10:16 PM Response to Reply #52 |
69. I find it fucking hilarious how people will willingly bury their heads in the sand... |
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DisgustipatedinCA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-01-10 01:26 AM Response to Reply #69 |
91. by the same token, I find it odd (not hilarious) |
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cbdo2007 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-30-10 10:03 PM Response to Original message |
60. I'm surprised more DUers aren't interested in these questions. |
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Bluerthanblue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-01-10 08:59 AM Response to Reply #60 |
104. +1 n/t |
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ProudDad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-01-10 02:22 PM Response to Reply #60 |
107. Amazing... |
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sendero (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-30-10 10:05 PM Response to Original message |
61. Who cares? |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-30-10 10:11 PM Response to Reply #61 |
64. Suppose Wikileaks is funded by right-wingers out to embarrass Obama. |
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sendero (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-30-10 10:18 PM Response to Reply #64 |
71. That's a patently ridiculous assertion.. |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-30-10 10:31 PM Response to Reply #71 |
80. For all I know, he could be funded by Rupert Murdoch. n/t |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-01-10 12:04 AM Response to Reply #80 |
86. Deleted message |
Forkboy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-01-10 02:50 PM Response to Reply #80 |
110. For all we know, so are you. |
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HEyHEY (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-30-10 10:18 PM Response to Reply #61 |
70. On what basis do you "not think that is what's happening" |
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sendero (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-01-10 06:44 AM Response to Reply #70 |
98. Look... |
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sendero (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-30-10 10:07 PM Response to Original message |
62. Wikileaks.. |
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Motown_Johnny (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-30-10 10:13 PM Response to Original message |
65. pull the veil off when he/they kill civilians with hell fire missiles |
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jberryhill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-30-10 10:27 PM Response to Original message |
76. Assange and the gatekeepers are above criticism |
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asdjrocky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-30-10 10:27 PM Response to Original message |
77. A better question is, how is our government held accountable. |
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Better Believe It (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-30-10 10:31 PM Response to Original message |
79. WikiLeaks is not a government. |
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ProudDad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-01-10 12:02 AM Response to Original message |
85. WHO THE FUCK CARES!!! |
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treestar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-01-10 01:12 AM Response to Reply #85 |
90. Talk about drinking the cool-aid |
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sudopod (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-01-10 01:37 AM Response to Reply #90 |
95. Your post is the most ironic post in the known universe. |
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Forkboy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-01-10 02:51 PM Response to Reply #95 |
111. LOL |
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WinkyDink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-01-10 07:33 AM Response to Reply #90 |
103. It's "Kool-Aid." And who are your heroes, the liars and swearers? |
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ProudDad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-01-10 02:20 PM Response to Reply #90 |
105. Not my hero |
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SidDithers (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-01-10 01:58 AM Response to Reply #85 |
97. "on the side of the angels..." |
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ProudDad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-01-10 02:21 PM Response to Reply #97 |
106. Ok, I knew it was a little hyperbolic but I was in a hurry... |
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sudopod (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-01-10 01:32 AM Response to Original message |
93. derp |
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StarsInHerHair (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-01-10 07:01 AM Response to Original message |
99. nasty, unrecc'd |
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WinkyDink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-01-10 07:29 AM Response to Original message |
100. Who cares, if the documents are real? |
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laughingliberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-01-10 07:32 AM Response to Original message |
102. Yeah. Nice try. Still the funniest show in town. Authoritarian heads exploding. |
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Forkboy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-01-10 02:51 PM Response to Reply #102 |
112. Some of really freaking out, which of course amuses me a great deal. |
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