CHENEY Believes He MUST TIE BUSH's Hands-VP & Staff Engaged In INSUBORDINATION AGAINST BUSH

[kpete]

Cheney Attempting to Constrain Bush's Choices on Iran Conflict: Staff Engaged in Insubordination Against President Bush

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But this is worrisome. The person in the Bush administration who most wants a hot conflict with Iran is Vice President Cheney. The person in Iran who most wants a conflict is Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad. Iran's Revolutionary Guard Quds Force would be big winners in a conflict as well -- as the political support that both have inside Iran has been flagging.

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This White House official has stated to several Washington insiders that Cheney is planning to deploy an "end run strategy" around the President if he and his team lose the policy argument.

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This White House official has stated to several Washington insiders that Cheney is planning to deploy an "end run strategy" around the President if he and his team lose the policy argument.

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The zinger of this information is the admission by this Cheney aide that Cheney himself is frustrated with President Bush and believes, much like Richard Perle, that Bush is making a disastrous mistake by aligning himself with the policy course that Condoleezza Rice, Bob Gates, Michael Hayden and McConnell have sculpted.

According to this official, Cheney believes that Bush can not be counted on to make the "right decision" when it comes to dealing with Iran and thus Cheney believes that he must tie the President's hands.

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-- Steve Clemons


more at:
http://www.thewashingtonnote.com/archives/002145.php

[acmavm]

1. So they let the meglomaniacal son of a bitch remain in the

administration? Oh wait, its Cheney's administration, isn't it?

[H2O Man]

2. Interesting ...

Could you add the missing link?

[ellenfl]

20. the missing link? isn't that the chimperor? eom

[wakeme2008]

3. link woud be good nt

[spotbird]

4. link please nt

[grytpype]

5. link

http://www.thewashingtonnote.com/

[speedoo]

6. It's this kind of thing that says we must impeach now.

But Cheney has to go as well. He can't be contained, evidently.

[H2O Man]

7. Impeach Cheney

It is the most important step towards regaining our Constitutional democracy.

[magellan]

12. Impeach Cheney? Without the votes secured in the Senate?

Nah. Much easier to let him have his head and destroy another country out of paranoid fear.

:sarcasm:

[TwilightGardener]

15. Actually, the votes might be there, or pretty close. Cheney isn't loved by ANYONE.

[Hubert Flottz]

16. Right...the hell with sanity we have to worry about how the...

democrats in Washington are going to look in 2008.

[magellan]

18. Very true

I'm so glad you aren't part of that "sleeper cell" that's showed up to unjustifiably bash the Dems today. Me either.

(Tongue firmly in cheek!!)

[Hubert Flottz]

25. No I'm here every day, as an equal opportunity basher...

I mainly bash bushies, or people who act like bushies, or people who enable those people, when they are asking for it, aka f?cking up!

(Tongue firmly in shoes!!)

[magellan]

27. LOL

Me too, but I'm not beyond laying into the Dems when they deserve it either. Even if it brings out the Dem Borgs who want to assimilate us all!

:hide:

[Horse with no Name]

14. Isn't there a certain Congressman advocating that?

The legislation that NOBODY is supporting?

[BrainGlutton]

42. As a matter of fact, Kucinich has introduced a bill to impeach Cheney.

[JDPriestly]

11. First, Gonzales, then Rove, then Cheney, then Bush

All of them have to go. Some will resign out of shame and some will have to be impeached. The key is the caging lists. They cheated in the 2004 election. That was essentially a coup. They should not be allowed to keep what they have stolen -- which was their offices and the election.

[speedoo]

24. Gonzales is a tool, and Rove is not impeachable.

Cheney has to go first. He is the most dangerous, as this piece demonstrates. Bush can be contained by the congress, IMO, but not Cheney.

[yodermon]

26. Why is Rove Not Impeachable?

Constitution, Article II section 4:

The President, Vice President and all civil officers of the United States, shall be removed from office on impeachment for, and conviction of, treason, bribery, or other high crimes and misdemeanors.

What is the legal definition of a "civil officer of the US", and is Rove one?
It doesn't just mean elected officials, does it?

[speedoo]

28. Interesting.

I don't know what that definition is. I had assumed that only elected officials were impeachable, but that's incorrect, since Supreme Court Justices evidently are impeachable.

[wryter2000]

29. Appointed people are impeachable

I don't know if Rove falls into the category of civil officers. He's more like Bush's employee. He wasn't confirmed by anyone, I know that. Gonzo was as AG.

[FatDave]

39. Do my taxes pay his salary?

I assume they do. If so, he should be impeachable.

[wryter2000]

44. I prefer arrested, actually.

I guess we could do both. :evilgrin:

[BonnieJW]

30. Rove is a political advisor to the pres.

[mcg]

51. Daily Kos thread on impeaching Rove so he can't be pardoned.

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2007/5/8/22436/69353

[goclark]

32. Sorry but they have no shame

If Gonzo hasn't resigned by now it just proves that shame is not a word in their dictionary,

[peacetalksforall]

34. What good does any of it do if the oil people, Israel, religious

dictators, and those who support the perpetual war of Israel and their neighbors - are still dictating policy and are still in all the important policy making positions? Looks utterly dark today, but the truth can show through even in the dark. We are plucked if we don't admit that we are being run by all of the above factions.

We are in the middle of a religios and a to-the-end earth resource war. Can we save ourselves from them?

(Let me save someone the trouble of spending the energy to accuse me of being anti-Semite - I am pro-human - I am for all the humans in Israel, Palestine, Iran and every other country caught in the war called by a few, including and especially our own - there are way too many citizen-victims all over this globe - all spun, lied to, and laughed at by a few.)

[WI_DEM]

8. Bush is as evil as his VP and is as much a true believer on Iraq as Cheney

[ck4829]

9. Wouldn't Cheney be in violation of the Logan Act if he did that?

[hootinholler]

47. Oh, yeah, a law that says he can't do that, how, um, quaint!

Do you seriously think that a law would prevent Dick from doing something?

-Hoot

[Hubert Flottz]

10. The PNAC plan was to raid Iran too.

The president of Iran is asking for it too.

[TwilightGardener]

13. I'd heard that Gates and Rice were doing an end-run around Cheney--

they have a little bit of conscience and common-sense left, I guess. This confirms it. Chimpy is just hapless and caught in the middle.

[Neecy]

17. my god...

Read the whole thing. He wants Israel to do a pre-emptive strike so Iran will attack our warships in the Gulf.

Nice to see Cheney 'supports the troops' by allowing them to be attacked in open waters...IMPEACH THIS BASTARD NOW.

[Hubert Flottz]

19. Supports the troops by using them as bait in his trap.

They support their bank accounts and nothing else. Money and power are the Gods who control what Bush does next.

[mod mom]

21. But I thought Halliburton has business interests in Iran:

Business As Usual?
Halliburton’s CEO says his company is pulling out of Iran. But a corporate subsidiary is still going ahead with a deal to develop Tehran’s natural gas fields



WEB EXCLUSIVE
By Michael Isikoff and Mark Hosenball
Newsweek
Updated: 6:10 p.m. CT Feb 16, 2005
Feb. 16 - Only weeks before Halliburton made headlines by announcing it was pulling out of Iran—a nation George W. Bush has labeled part of the “axis of evil”—the Texas-based oil services firm quietly signed a major new business deal to help develop Tehran’s natural gas fields.

Halliburton’s new Iran contract, moreover, appears to suggest a far closer connection with the country’s hard-line government than the firm has ever acknowledged.

The deal, diplomatic sources tell NEWSWEEK, was signed with an Iranian oil company whose principals include Sirus Naseri, Tehran’s chief international negotiator on matters relating to the country’s hotly-disputed nuclear enrichment program—a project the Bush administration has charged is intended to develop nuclear weapons.



-snip

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6982444/site/newsweek/

Were they forced to abandon their goals?

[mmonk]

22. Keep your powder dry.

Pay no attention to DK's articles of impeachment against Cheney.

[KansDem]

23. Photo: Vice-President Dick Cheney, in disguise, attempts to tie the President's hands!

[WinkyDink]

31. So, Cheney would like his first gift to his grandson to be a nuclear war? How thoughtful!

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[slowry]

36. LOLLL??? Greatest thing I've ever seen. n/t

[Vincardog]

35. I don't care what they do in the privacy of their bedrooms. Can we get them out of OUR White House?

[hippiechick]

37. Why the fuck does this asshat want to blow everything up ???

Jebus, Dick ... just go hunting, ok ? :hide:

[bobthedrummer]

38. Many of the other Cheney's, Rumsfeld's, Feith's, Card's et al have committed

crimes while hiding in the shadows-which have had the light of truth shining on them for years.

Meanwhile privatization (consolidation of criminally led organizations and the so called black budget money laundering networks) continues and more people are dying, international tensions are rising and Mr. Bush has given himself extraordinary powers in the event of him calling a "national emergency" (which he extended for another year last October anyway-just before the midterms).

Then those of US that will NGU get the isolation treatment, but that isn't working well either.

It's a real mess that someone has to clean, regardless of all else-if things continue Mr. Bush will have the option of declaring some kind of "crisis" that will get the loyal Bushies of Homeland Security some overtime. It starts at the top.

[seemslikeadream]

41. THE MADNESS

:hi:


6 Navy Commanders Sacked in 6 Weeks
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x958801

Is the impending attack on Iran the explanation for the Dems' cave?
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x958882

Massive covert operation to ignite a religious war in the Middle East
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x957431

THE MADNESS OF GEORGE W. BUSH:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x958641

NINE WARSHIPS CARRYING 17,000 PERSONNEL HAVE ENTERED THE GULF
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=949751&mesg_id=949751

Looking for links to news stories about Afganistan, Bin Laden, Taliban, pre 9/11
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=949535&mesg_id=949535

[hootinholler]

48. Wasn't there a recent authorization to covertly undermine the Iranian government?

I seem to remember a thread about that in the past week.

-Hoot

[bamacrat]

40. He needs to be taken out of office.

I now believe that bush was just a more electable head than Cheney and it is him who runs this. He needs to go, we need to make him.

[OneBlueSky]

43. this quote is VERY interesting, imo . . .

"It's quite eerie to see in print what I've long opined -- that they (I actually thought it would be Bush, not Cheney) will use Israel to start the war that we'll be 'contractually' obligated to participate in and finish. Completely bypasses Congress, who'll nary lift a digit to dissent." poster MP

[Disturbed]

45. The House does not have enough members with spine to

start Impeachment on Darth. Most Dems fear Darth. I suspect that he has NSA dossiers on most of them that prevent them from any Impeachment of any Rethugs.

[bananas]

50. Thanks for pointing that out

I only scanned the article briefly and missed it.

[KoKo]

46. I have NO IDEA WHAT TO MAKE OF THIS BIZARRE REPORT!

Seems like Steve his hearing some real "KOOL AID" stuff...but Cheney should have been "REMOVED" LONG AGO...I don't know who has Steve's ear on this...but it's totally Weird!

[Senator]

49. K&R

[chill_wind]

52. I don't buy it.

Bush, Rice, Cheney et all are all on the same neocabal page. I agree with the speculation of some of the posters at Clemons' blog that this is just a phony good cop bad cop media set-up -- further paving and public conditioning for the increasingly insane policy aims.

[originalpckelly]

53. I don't know if they really are. Do you really think Bush is that smart?

I don't think he's intelligent enough to pull it off.

Cheney's the President.

[chill_wind]

54. I wouldn't credit Bush.

Cheney's chimperor doesn't have to think this stuff up. He just has to stay with the script and be the good tool for the pee-knackers and rump Pentagon cold-warriors that he is.

I suspect Snarl has no trepidations at all taking the tepid media heat for "bad cop".

[CJCRANE]

58. I think you're right.

More precisely it's "scheming corrupt cop, stupid cop".

Cheney sets up the "emergency" situations, mostly keeping B*sh out of the loop so that he can act surprised when they happen.

[PATRICK]

55. Let's look at this

You have Bush who has authority problems with Daddy and a crumbling presidency because of mad Dick. You have the old guard of Daddy trying to get some first Gulf War restraint and common sense back. You have Cheney who was thwarted under Reagan and Bush I and who has no support or rational credibility outside his no holds barred neocon clique. Then you have the ME where the israelis plan for war, probably the Saudis as well. The iranian leadership overcome by the failures of America, the prizes and their own shaky internal popularity among their own people, the imminent danger of the bald threat, who are tempted to exploit the "inevitability"- so far- of a war moving along without check.

I add this up and most of the equation points to war. Bush senior at best argues for some control, some practicality and competence, some restraint in the ambiguous attempt to rescue Sonny without major policy changes. Real help would have been dumping Cheney. No progress toward at least a rational dastardly policy or no new war can seriously be made. It is a question mark whether the humiliated, outgrabbing Bush Jr. enjoys their influence or whether he even wants to resolve the murky conflict involved with the new CIA director and Secretary of Defense. so far he is stubbornly pointed to desperate continuance, tanking or gambling according to the "plan" which Cheney embodies.

Adding up the hopes for peace shows a wounded beast lurching toward war and all restraints weak, qualified, thwarted, divided. At best it shows all parties bumbling unsure and engaged in slowing squabbles. Should shit ensue this bodes very very ill for anyone on any side if actual hostilities are forced, especially with the worsened purges and politicization of attack forces themselves before the war even starts. You can almost write the "retrospective" reasons why everything went wrong militarily and blew up in our faces. I say that with bitterness because the first casualty of war has been strapped down alive in the morgue still screaming to deaf, bewildered, desperate elites and their propaganda machines, but readily heard by any interested passersby.

Time, the sense of the "phony war" is the same as it ever was, peace being relative to the lull of the moment. Yet we can hear and see all the players, the movements and pretty much guess everything except the "surprise" date and the possible "horrific" pretext or merely the bull-horned Tonkin crap again.
I am sure the early window is closing which is why Cheney is beside himself with worry that the whole thing might yet be derailed. Sometimes I wonder why he worries except that Bush Jr. just might implode considering his personal insufficiencies way past the border of the idiotic. Small wonder that Cheney sees himself as the one determined force and power to make the final decision. The forces against war are almost deliberately powerless, diffuse, obtuse, trapped in shamefaced institutional routine or dirty hands in the pie.

The end result of this sloppy non-infighting- so far- I predict is a bigger botch and more horrible result of a new war action. You would think at least the military would see the light by now, but any opposition now has likely been pre-empted even though it was CORRECT the first time. Are the commanders that stupid not to see how blindsided this makes their participation in the the entire plan?
In other words, planning is very potentially worse off than ever. With ambiguity on the part of the old
guard replacements should they lose the footdragging waffle conflict there is not even a clear TOP down
civilian force like last time. You'd have to literally let Cheney and Israel make the big decisions and
the the decimated command officers pick up the ball. The legality notions have been left far behind all the broken laws and impunity. It is just a mess of broken china to which more will be added. horror, lawlessness, stupidity, blindness and impotence have become routine pre-amble to bully violence.

[Buck Rabbit]

56. Is Cheney going to take Bush hunting? .. n/t

[AikidoSoul]

57. ROFL

:rofl:

[bobthedrummer]

59. Mr. Cheney is a war criminal, profiteer and traitor. His shadow govt is a criminal conspiracy. Kick