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underpants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-14-10 09:48 AM
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Interactive: O.K., You Fix the Budget (New York Times)
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texastoast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-14-10 09:55 AM
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1. It's it's ... nuanced, ya know
I need to be able to edit the spreadsheet as to specifics. I can't do that in the article. :7 It made me aware that it has to be surgically precise to get the most for our money while preserving what we need to and planning ahead.

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Motown_Johnny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-14-10 09:57 AM
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2. where is the box to increase import tariffs?
and the whole "one or none" on increasing taxes OR eliminating loopholes is BS

and why only eliminate farm subsidies? There is plenty of corporate welfare out there to cut.


this thing is pure BS and it is set up to make the problem appear insurmountable
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rocktivity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-14-10 12:08 PM
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12. I had similiar questions
which I sent to the Times by clicking on "Feedback" at the bottom of the page.

:headbang:
rocktivity
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-14-10 01:09 PM
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20. But it is not
actually it is easy but not politically easy.
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SidDithers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-14-10 10:07 AM
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3. K&R...nt
Sid
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Old and In the Way Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-14-10 10:20 AM
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4. It's constrained by lack of input variables and line item detail but
it is definitely a reality based tool for explaining how little impact we have in changing the budget outcomes. I'd like to see more options to reduce the size of the defense budget and investment in infrastructure. This tool should be required teaching in our educational system.
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Barack_America Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-14-10 10:22 AM
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5. Done! I'm running at a surplus!
I cut military spending for everything but soldier compensation; I selected malpractice reform and capping Medicare growth (with the understanding that this would affect Medicare payouts to hospitals rather than eligibility or benefits--i.e. my savings by switching to Medicare for all substitute); I reduced social security benefits for the rich and upped estate taxes to Clinton levels; I killed the Bush tax cuts and enacted both a carbon tax and bank tax, and that just about did it.

http://www.medicareforall.org/pages/Costs_and_Savings
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Overseas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-14-10 10:22 AM
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6. Not enough savings shown for reducing military privatization fraud.
Edited on Sun Nov-14-10 10:23 AM by Overseas
Not enough options shown for closing tax loopholes for very successful companies like Exxon Mobil that paid ZERO income taxes last year. Creepy how it says I've got to give them something for closing the loopholes.
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GoCubsGo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-14-10 10:32 AM
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7. Done.
And, without touching Medicare, Social Security, or gutting federal agencies, such as the Park Service and Smithsonian.

This was a nice exercise that I hope educates all the ignoramuses who bought into the "tax cuts for the wealthy" and "cut government spending" spew from the GOP. Maybe this will open their eyes as to where all the real sources of the deficit are.
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Little Star Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-14-10 10:52 AM
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8. That was fun. I solved most of our problems. lol
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shraby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-14-10 11:17 AM
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9. I almost cleared the board by 2030..is there a place to
register the preferred options? I didn't see any.
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rocktivity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-14-10 11:54 AM
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11. You have to have a Twitter account, apparently.
Edited on Sun Nov-14-10 12:23 PM by rocktivity
I got my URL by clicking on the share link on top of the page.

:headbang:
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rocktivity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-14-10 11:29 AM
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10. My letter to the Times (click on "Feedback" at the bottom of the page)
Edited on Sun Nov-14-10 12:23 PM by rocktivity
Sorry, but because raising the Social Security salary cap, lowering the Medicare eligibility age, and just letting the Bush tax cuts expire are not options, I can't even begin to take this seriously.

Nonetheless, I took a crack at it: http://t.co/YlyZ8Oo

:mad:
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Dragonfli Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-14-10 12:55 PM
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13. Why is SS in there? It's not even part of the budget, Might as well put my paycheck in there as well
I mean if we get to cut totaly unrelated shit and have it show up in a budget it is not part of.
How about cutting the paychecks of our CEOs as well, hell by that logic it would be just as valid.
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ralps Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-14-10 12:57 PM
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14. Yay I solved the deficit!
:hi: :loveya: :hug: :pals: :fistbump: :woohoo:
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Odin2005 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-14-10 12:58 PM
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15. I gots a SURPLUS!!!
Cut defense spending, pork, and farm subsidies. Eliminate the Bush tax cuts. Carbon Tax. Increase taxes on the rich and on investments.
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XemaSab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-14-10 01:03 PM
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17. Me too!
:bounce:
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WillyT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-14-10 01:03 PM
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16. Fixed It !!! - Meet Y'All In The Lounge !
:evilgrin:

:kick: & R !!!
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-14-10 01:08 PM
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18. I solved it, WITHOUT touching SS and Medicare
WHO KNEW?

It can be done... but some folks in DC would not like it.

Oh and yes, as much as I do not like a VAT, I did include it. I don't like it since it is highly regressive... but truth be told, that was the only tax increase for all. The rest were taxes on the top earners, and of course cutting DOD by quite a bit. Oh and 5% VAT is not excessive either. I'd add a few more things to the basket of exception, like really basic foodstuffs and medicine, but hey looking at how it is done in other places. That makes it less regressive actually.

As I said, REPUBLICANS would squeal...

At least will let people know what are the major items in the government...

And yes my first goal was MILITARY DOD cuts... including things the services don't want... see OSPREY, realize those cuts will have real world consequences and not just for the military, but at the places were parts are made (all states) and where they are assembled. Why cutting programs the services don't want is damn tricky. They are designed like that ON PURPOSE.
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coti Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-14-10 01:46 PM
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22. Imagine what a public option would have been able to do. nt
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SOS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-14-10 01:09 PM
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19. "You solved the deficit! "
That took all of 5 minutes.

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coti Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-14-10 01:40 PM
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21. All done. Here's my proposal:
Edited on Sun Nov-14-10 01:43 PM by coti
http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2010/11/13/weekinrev...


Returning tax policy to the Clinton era, enacting new taxes that will curb greenhouse gas emissions and risky investments, some serious defense cuts and a couple other very modest cuts does the trick.
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Scruffy1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-14-10 02:09 PM
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23. It's easy at my monitor
Not so easy in the Congress. I think a lot of this is just political theater.
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Sparkly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-14-10 02:18 PM
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24. Cool! I solved it with 66% tax increases, 34% spending cuts
Edited on Sun Nov-14-10 02:26 PM by Sparkly
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Pab Sungenis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-14-10 04:27 PM
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25. With only reasonable cuts, I got the 2015 budget to a surplus
and that's without touching Social Security.
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Renew Deal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-14-10 04:59 PM
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26. Got it done with 41% Tax increases, 59% Spending cuts
Edited on Sun Nov-14-10 05:00 PM by Renew Deal
Of course the advantages and disadvantages of all of these choices aren't clear. But I got a nice surplus both years.

BTW, this shows you how expensive Iraq was.
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