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marmar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-21-07 09:42 PM
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Comey and the Phone Companies' Role in the NSA Program (by Shayana Kadidal at HuffPost)
Shayana Kadidal


05.20.2007
Comey and the Phone Companies' Role in the NSA Program (2 comments )

On Friday, professional administration apologist Douglas Kmiec published an op-ed in the Washington Post in which he criticizes former Deputy AG James Comey's testimony as "staggeringly histrionic," claims the media's analogies between the threatened mass resignations (of Comey, Ashcroft and FBI Director Mueller) to Watergate's Friday Night Massacre are absurd, and then (correctly) notes that the president, not the Attorney General or anyone else in DOJ, has the last word on exactly which interpretation of federal laws the rest of the executive branch will follow.

Over at the Balkinization blog, Marty Lederman of Georgetown Law School breaks down Professor Kmiec's op-ed, and zeros in on one of the most interesting issues that Kmiec (perhaps inadvertently) highlights: "Why did the president seek the AG's signature, anyway, if it wasn't required by statute and the president could have the final word?"

For my money, the most intriguing answer Professor Lederman provides is that "the signature might have been necessary to induce the requisite private actors -- telecom companies in particular -- to continue to go along with the program." (Orin Kerr, a more conservative expert on surveillance issues, concurs.)

Here's how that would work: the Wiretap Act contains a section, 18 USC 2511(2)(a)(ii), that allows telecom providers and other private parties (e.g. your landlord) to help the government carry out electronic surveillance if those private parties have been "provided with ... a court order" or "a certification in writing by ... the Attorney General of the United States that no warrant or court order is required by law, that all statutory requirements have been met, and that the specified assistance is required."

...(snip)...

Let's just be clear what this means. Congress can pass all the privacy legislation it wants to keep your phone calling records, banking records, stored emails, etc. private. But if some private telecom company decides that terrorist attacks are "expected" and that turning over all this statutorily-protected information to the executive "may" be helpful to law enforcement, the telephone company's First Amendment rights to do that trump Congress' power to preserve your privacy. No matter what privacy laws Congress tries to pass, the First Amendment voids them all if the phone company decides it wants to ignore them.

Imagine this: an out-of-control, lawless executive starts a rampage of privacy violations by getting information on innocent citizens' phone calls, emails, and internet searches from private telecom companies. Congress overwhelmingly passes a bill to curtail the abuses by regulating those private parties, overriding the president's veto in the process. Isn't this a normal use of the political process? According to Verizon, no. Your elected officials don't get to decide. Your telecom company gets to decide.
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The complete piece is at: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/shayana-kadidal/comey-and-the-phone-compa_b_48928.html
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Blue_In_AK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-21-07 10:22 PM
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1. This reminds me of "The President's Analyst,"
the old James Coburn movie, where the villain of the piece turned out to be TPC -- The Phone Company.
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Trillo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-21-07 10:40 PM
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2. They wish to yell "Fire" in a theater regardless of whether one exists
under First Amendment grounds?

These corporations really do believe they operate under a different set of laws from mere Humans.
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annabanana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-22-07 07:18 AM
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5. The problem is that they think they operate under the SAME.
Corporations are considered to be legal "people".. with the rights of free expression and association etc...This nonsense has been screwing with living breathing human beings for a long long time:

http://reclaimdemocracy.org/personhood/

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Trillo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-22-07 12:45 PM
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6. I'm trying to understand
Edited on Tue May-22-07 01:22 PM by SimpleTrend
the statement in the article that the legal rationale of the telecoms of giving information to the government about their customers is a First Amendment right of theirs, if there 'may' be a chance those customers might be an enemy planning an attack, was an attempt to hoodwink the court.

"Verizon came up with a defense I think none of us anticipated.** The First Amendment protects a right "to petition Government for a redress of grievances." Verizon asserted that they have a First Amendment right to "petition government" with your calling records
...

The companies are fighting a two-front war, attempting to hoodwink the courts while they mount a hostile buyout of the other branch of government, Congress.


As near as I can think, the specific rationale is closer to corporations operating under a different set of laws from humans, given the prior "fire" metaphor which seems a similar logical pattern. If the corporation wasn't operating under a different set of laws and if the telecoms rationale was legally valid, then it should also be legal for anyone under the First Amendment to yell "Fire" in a crowded theater if there "might" be a fire (a 'possibility' which curiously exists at all times).

However, your observation about them not having the same rights as humans would also remedy this particular rationale of theirs.

With respect to the phone companies making this argument, they apparently consider their customers "grievances" (as in "redress of grievances"). This must be a new theory of business where the customer is no more than a speck of dirt to be scrubbed clean at every possible opportunity.

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annabanana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-22-07 01:22 PM
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7. Kickin' Tues. afternooon. . . . . .n/t
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L. Coyote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-21-07 11:10 PM
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3. ALSO: What Does Comey's Testimony Tell Us about the NSA Program?
What Does Comey's Testimony Tell Us about the NSA Program? (15 comments )
Shayana Kadidal - 05.17.2007
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/shayana-kadidal/what-does...

The astonishing story of Alberto Gonzales' March 2004 bedside visit with John Ashcroft ... former Deputy Attorney General James Comey's riveting testimony before the Senate Judiciary Committee ....
(The whole video is here http://www.alternet.org/blogs/video/51973 /
and the transcript is here. ......

.... the whole thing is worth watching/reading.) Here's my 10-cent summary: ............Comey --an outstanding career prosecutor, not a "Bushie," who'd joined the AG's staff in 2003-- had serious misgivings about the legality of the NSA program, doubts shared by other non-partisan-hack lawyers who'd come to DOJ.........Comey decided he wouldn't reauthorize it....Afterwards, Card ... orders Comey over to the White House; Comey refuses unless Solicitor General Ted Olsen is present as a witness. Olson is dragged out of a dinner party and heads to the White House with Comey. ...
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Patsy Stone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-22-07 07:14 AM
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4. K&R
Thanks for reposting.
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bleever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-22-07 05:30 PM
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8. "Staggeringly histrionic"??
Good ol' Pepperdine U.
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