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Bullet1987 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-21-10 12:05 PM
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Teachers are Taking the Blame for the Failure of American Education
It's already happening. The propaganda machine is rolling in support for a major charter school "reform" bill and many more teachers are about to lose their jobs. My mother is a teacher, so I know from first-hand experience how much bullshit they have to take everyday. Most people haven't yet realized how political the education system is. My mother works numerous hours overtime in NC and is not even being payed for it! To make matters worse, NC doesn't have a Teacher's Union and she works in a very low-income area. So you have probably already figured out that she gets paid bread crumbs.

Yes, there are SOME bad teachers, but they don't deserve the shit they're getting from people looking to lay the blame on them. There are NUMEROUS factors as to why education has failed in America.

#1. This country doesn't give a damn about it and never has!

- Education has always been put on the back burner compared to other areas and it doesn't even require the amount of $$$ as say DEFENSE

#2. Inequality in Education

- This has been a major issue in the education system for years and has gone virtually unaddressed. We don't have an EQUAL education system and it only gets worse in college. If you have the money to go to a good college then good for you. If you're unlucky and grew up in a single-family home with a low income you're relegated to going to a school where a degree from there will be useless in the real world. I have friends right now going through this. In K-12, some schools don't have the resources of other schools just a few miles away because they're in a more wealthy district!

#3. The Media culture has had a VERY Negative effect on education!!

- This is a point some may not want to hear or acknowledge, but it's the truth. The media culture has taken over the minds of the youth to a point where education is an afterthought. Now some of this is the fault of the parents, but really...what can parents do when up against the seductiveness of MTV, BET, ESPN, PS3, XBOX, etc? This problem is not built to destroy education, but when it's coupled with an unwillingness by our leaders to explain why it is so important and make it a part of being an American...it contributes greatly to the failure of the system

None of the above is being mentioned by Oprah or anyone else supporting corporate-run Charter Schools. It's all the teachers faults supposedly. This is beginning to hit me hard because this directly effects me and my family.
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mrcheerful Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-21-10 12:21 PM
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1. Problem is back in the 60's one of the highest rated jobs was school teacher
in fact the top jobs that got the most respect was policeman, fireman, teacher and priest. That all started to change, policeman lost the respect for their part in the civil rights and war protest when they attacked protesters. It was Reagan who started the current view of teachers, teachers were elitists who filled the poor children's heads up with non sense like science and evolution. Education became bad and so there came the push for charter schools who put god back into the classroom, after all teaching bible myths was more important then teaching kids that the Earth was round.
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izquierdista Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-21-10 01:02 PM
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3. Priests were responsible for their own demise
Keeping Mr. Winky in his place would have helped them out a lot. Firemen, I guess they still have the deserved respect of the public.
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blondeatlast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-21-10 12:23 PM
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2. Be prepared. Even on liberal sites like DU, teachers need fierce defending.
Along with unions and NON-privatization.

Unbelievable. :banghead:

k/r
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madrchsod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-21-10 01:33 PM
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5. yes it is....
i have an idea that it`s also a personal attack against the poster . one can only look at the unrecommended
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foxfeet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-21-10 01:33 PM
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6. +1 for common sense.
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Riftaxe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-21-10 01:29 PM
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4. Is your mother a salaried or an hourly wage worker?
If she is hourly and not getting paid for OT then she should contact your state labor commission.

I know when i was salaried, i was not eligible for OT even though i worked 60-70 hours a week normally, 51 weeks a year, dearly wishing i was eligible for OT :P
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Igel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-21-10 02:03 PM
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7. Reply
(1) http://nces.ed.gov/programs/digest/d09/tables/dt09_180.asp?referrer=list
In 2005-06, K-12 expenditures were $562 billion.

This was $20-30 million less than Federal military expenditures for that year. We could argue that there are other "defense" expenditures--I don't know if the military budget amount I was looking at for 06/07 included the National Guard, Coast Guard, VA, etc. On the other hand, the K-12 expenditures don't include homeschooling expenses, higher education, or private "enrichment" activities.

We have one of the highest per-student spending in the world, but are rather farther down the list for academic achievement per student at the K-12 level. If you look at purchasing parity power you'll see that the countries with *higher* student spending tend to have far higher rents, food prices, energy prices, etc., so that their "dollars" buy rather less and salaries have to be higher.

(2) The inequality has always been there, and doesn't involve just money. In fact, it usually doesn't involve money. Poor areas tend to be poor these days because of a lack of opportunity and lack of education by the workers. I went to one of the worst schools in the county. Everybody had middle class wages, but no more than a high school degree, and funding wasn't an issue--quality of students were. Ten years later it was a very good school; the local corporation went belly up and the neighborhood became white-collar; the annual household income stayed pretty much the same (it decreased slightly). As fairly low-skilled yet high-paying jobs vanish there's a greater correlation between pay and education/skill set.

Kids tend to benefit academically from their parents' educational achievement--they simply are taught more at home. Their parents' education yields motivation and serves to model learning. Such children also usually wind up in wealthier schools. Nonetheless, in the district I live in now the top performing schools are old and decrepit and the schools built in the last 5 years with all the technology and accoutrements are the bad ones.

(3) The "media culture" is there to sell. It's not there to indoctrinate--that's what the public schools were instituted for and still do (if you've gone through the system then it's just a given, it's hard to mount a fundamental critique to something that's trained you and validated your skills). Parents don't have to stand up to the seductiveness of MTV, BET, etc.--if they all agreed to excise them from their kids' lives they'd be far more limited. Thing is, most don't want them excised or don't care. Parents have to be there to teach their values and model their values; many aren't, by desire or necessity or both.

Peer pressure is a problem, but varies--the working-class school I was in was relatively education hostile. The first private school I observed in was education loving. The minority-majority school I observed in after that was far more hostile to education than my working-class high school. Of course, I'm not talking about the faculty, I'm talking about the students. In the private high school, the kids were excited about watching Horton Hears a Who in Spanish, talked about their science projects in the hall and how to improve them. In the underachieving middle school the talk was about girls, boys, rappers, new games, soccer games, and how unfair the assignments were. There were exceptions. But the point is that they were exceptions.

BTW, this *has* been talked about, rather extensively. Even education theorists don't like a lot of it because it means that robust statistical intergroup differences in children's educational outcomes have to be dealt with as partially or primarily emerging from other intergroup differences instead of being imposed on the groups; that means "blaming the victims" in many cases. The media doesns't like this research because it again blames the victim and we honestly believe that many groups simply can't be held responsible for their own actions. My high school peers got a sucky education because they damn well wanted a sucky education and the parents were content; the suckiness wasn't foisted upon them. The school across the county with the exact same funding opportunities, nearly the same racial/ethnic breakdown, and a building a good 10 years older had not only a raft of AP courses but enough kids interested in specific sciences to have an organic chemistry class *after* AP chemistry. My school? 2-3% went to college, if we count community colleges as "college"; their school, 70-80% went to 4-year colleges. Difference: Our parents were steelworkers with nothing more than a high school diploma; for the most part at least one of their parents had a bachelor's degree, if not more, and worked as professionals or managers. Yet we paid the same property tax rates and had equal access to the pot of money.

People want to blame teachers because then they don't have to blame themselves or their kids. The teachers have *encouraged* this by telling the parents to entrust their kids to the schools for all their educational needs rather than telling the parents to be good parents (again, let's not "blame the victim"); they've encouraged this by telling the parents that it's really the lack of money that's the problem, that if you pay the teachers more there'll be an educational nirvana. The two groups are co-dependent in a nasty way, parents wanting to be rid of the problem of their kids' education and the teachers, for reasons of benefits and ego wanting to be utterly indispensible.

Politicians have played the same game: "Parents, you're overworked, I'll fix all your problems. Vote for me." "Yes, daddy." It didn't work. "Vote for me, give me money, we'll have smaller class sizes and your kids will be smart." It didn't work--no source for 10k new teachers in 6 months. So the politicians said, "We will test more!" It didn't work. "We will restructure the curriculum!" It didn't work. But the politicians are redundant, they're useless--and the politicians have paycheck and ego issues far more than teachers do.

The programs that work fill in for parents: They motivate students, impose and teach discipline, impose and teach values and life strategies, they take control of after-school time and things like weekends and summer breaks, they move content to kindergarten and pre-K classes.
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Bigmack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-21-10 02:13 PM
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8. There must be a lot of shitty teachers....
cuz there sure is a lot of dumb kids.

I - on the other hand - must have been a great teacher. I was able to turn healthy, upper-middle-class, well fed, well clothed, well financed, upwardly-mobile, family supported, yuppie larvae into successful students. I was brilliant.

All those teachers who can't turn the homeless, ESL, under/poorly nurished, raggedyassed, downtrodden products of dysfunctional families into National Merit Scholars must be shitty teachers.

Simple, really.

If I need to add :sarcasm: for the remedial among us, here it is. Deep, dark, Education :sarcasm: intended.
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AnArmyVeteran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-21-10 02:37 PM
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9. Teachers should be the last ones to blame.
Teachers used to be one of the most respected professions in a community, but slowly over the years education turned into a top down controlled bureaucracy where teachers' voices were silenced and their control over the education process was stripped from them. GW Bush destroyed the Texas education system and so destroyed the morale of teachers there were 40,000 teacher shortages at the start of school years and teachers polled said they would leave teaching within three years. Bush also mandated a standardized test from the state which forced teachers to teach the answers to the test instead of teaching children how to learn.

Teachers in Texas also had to take an average of $1,000 out of their own pockets to get the supplies they needed and it wasn't reimbursed. How many other people would work at jobs where they would have to use their own money to do their jobs? When Bush became president he appointed Rod Paige of Texas to be his Education Secretary. Paige called teacher's unions 'terrorist organizations' and his sentiments were shared by all the republicans who would love to see an end to public education.

Teachers are the most overworked, unappreciated, underpaid and powerless people and they work tirelessly while being attacked by politicians, right wingers, parents and top down educational systems. In Hawaii, teachers were forced to take an 8% pay cut from their already meager salaries that aren't enough to even buy a house. And even though they were furloughed one day a week they still have to work on their furloughed day just to keep up with their heavy workloads. The corrupt republican, Linda Lingle, coerced teachers into taking a big pay cut by telling them they would be fired if they didn't accept the lower pay. And Lingle didn't do anything to force big business in Hawaii to financially help the education system. She is totally owned by corrupt big business and has constantly sold out the hard working people of Hawaii.

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