Are you sick of the DEADBEAT RICH???

[AnArmyVeteran]

Are you sick of the DEADBEAT RICH?
If you are then do something!  Stop allowing the biggest deadbeats this country has ever seen get away with their constant assaults against the most vulnerable in our country. 

I've been using the term 'Deadbeat Rich' for years because I've been sick of the rich making fortunes off of the backs of the poor and middle class. The rich get ALL the benefits of living in this country and yet they aren't contributing their fair share, or even contributing anything at all. They are deadbeats. 

Even an illegal migrant farm worker who picks vegetables for a living produces more for society in one day than all the white collared freeloaders on Wall Street do in their lifetimes. And the rich don't even have to fight and die in wars because they dont need to join the military just so they can learn a trade or get money to go to college after they serve their country.  

I am sick of democratic leaders never saying anything about the deadbeat rich and how they are like parasites in our country. Generally speaking, most produce nothing. The poor and middle class are the ones who build our roads, our bridges, our schools and everything else in this country. Without hard working employees, even Steve Jobs and Bill Gates wouldn't have the empires they now enjoy. Except for rare instances no one can make fortunes without the collective efforts and hard work of hundreds or thousands of others. 

Our country was built on the backs of the poor and usually the most exploitable people. Even slaves built most of the White House even though they had zero rights and zero wealth. Because of the total disregard and contempt the rich have for the millions they exploit a more deserving position they should have in society is on a gallows, instead of the lofty pedestals they now enjoy. 

Even though most Americans are experiencing great hardships and are sacrificing a great deal, the rich aren't sacrificing at all. Just the opposite is true. Because of how unjust our system is, those who work the hardest and produce the most get paid the least. And the rich merely horde their great wealth and because of inequities in our tax law they can make more money by letting their great wealth park in high interest accounts and their revenue is taxes at a rate much lower than those who actually work for a living. So those who produce the least for society get paid the most. 

The stupid and profoundly ignorant conservative tea baggers say they want to take their country back, but from whom? Do they think the poor own this country? Why do they mindlessly protect and defend the top 2% of the people and attack those who own nothing but the shirts on their backs? How can those on the right be so deluded? And why are democratic leaders basically supporting them by not resoundingly condemning and rejecting everything they say? 

When are our leaders going to speak out for the hard working Americans for a change and tell the rich their free ride is over and they are finally going to have to start contributing to society and to our country instead of taking, taking, taking.  

I'm fed up with the deadbeat rich. And I don't understand how anyone making $250,000 or less a year could not be as fed up as I am with the deadbeat rich. 

[Odin2005]

1. The Answer: Guillotines.

[Warpy]

11. If it is allowed to go on much longer, it might come to that

but it's not the overpaid brokers on Wall Street, it's the smart boys who rake in billions for hedge funds by rigging the game along with the corporate CFOs who make sure there is enough creative accounting that they pay no taxes on their billions while stiffing the stockholders on dividends.

They've been robbing us blind for years. Either we have to stop them by reasserting the rule of law, or bring on the tumbrils. My knitting is ready.

[Stargazer99]

12. the French had it right! Notice how they take to the street

when the well to do and the powerful start their crap in France? Americans just sit and take it. And where are the churches in this mess? For all their "teachings" I've heard very damn little from that part of our society. I grant they have tried to take care of those in our nation that have been shafted but the don't HEAR the moral values they preach.

[Odin2005]

26. Most Americans are to concerned about American Idol to care.

Bread and circuses.

[Curmudgeoness]

25. Interesting you should say that, and the first comment posted.

As I read the OP, this was exactly my thought. This is the sort of entitlement and abuse that caused people to rise up. I only hope it doesn't have to come to that here. But I am learning to knit, just in case.

[readmoreoften]

36. +1

[Historic NY]

40. yes by all means must sharpen the blade........

[KansDem]

72. Only if they're stamped with "Made in the USA"

I think it only appropriate...

[OrangeGrapes]

75. I've just cleaned and oiled my gun...

and my hand is being rather patient, waiting for a fallout. They declare hunting season on an animal when they're said to be overpopulating, right? Well, aren't *humans* overpopulating this soon-to-be cesspool? Not to be cynical, but I think the more of us there are, the worse we are for everything else.

[valerief]

76. Oui, oui!!!! nt

[AnArmyVeteran]

101. A whole new business, Guillotine Manufacturing!

Even the right wing would have to applaud the increase in jobs, unless their head ended up under a fast moving blade.

[FreakinDJ]

2. Finally - some one who gets it

[merh]

3. good grief - who unrecommends venting like this?

K&R - for whatever good it does.

[laughingliberal]

That would be the deadbeat rich and those who serve them doing the unreccing. nt

Another K & R. :)

[Greyhound]

13. There are more than a couple of parasites that post here.

Check the threads that deal with the outrage du jour regarding Wall Street theft, you will see the same names defending the outrageous all the time (although many are off enjoying their ill-gotten gains this time of year).

[Crazy Dave]

86. I've noticed that here myself with some of the well monied DU'ers

Bigger and even more hypocritical pricks than the right-wingers.

[Greyhound]

87. "I've got mine, fuck you" knows no party.

Just as the faithful think it no big deal that Rahm stole $14M in less than two years as his post-political payoff to the industry he helped so much to "deregulate", these parasites have only one agenda and will support any crime that they believe will secure their theft.

[chill_wind]

18. Contrarians who identify with a class of people they will never belong to

or will never be served by, is my guess.

[The Magistrate]

4. Hear Hear, Sir!

[stray cat]

5. if you are not homeless - are you rich? Should Haitians see you and I the same way?

Rich is sometimes in the eye of the beholder....

[blondeatlast]

7. If you didn't read the entire post, are you illiterate? nt

[liberation]

38. Clearly he can write, so technically he can't be illiterate. Disingenuous however, is more like it.

Given the massive fallacy trying to take the tangential argumentation road.

However, It takes a special level of demagogy to take the tragedy and suffering in Haiti and use it to shield the rich in this country from any sense of culpability. In many countries I have lived, that argument uttered in public would be considered degenerate even.

[saigon68]

44. Disingenuous sums up that ignorant comment

It's obviously someone who has bought the Kool Aid

[SammyWinstonJack]

55. See post #18

:evilgrin:

[Stargazer99]

9. If you are not homeless-you are damned lucky

There are children homeless in the richest nation on the planet! There is a hellva lot more to not being homeless. How about medical care/dental care? Those are damned expensive and usually the uninsured and working poor are charged FULL amounts (no co-pays here). If one cannot pay or in full there is always the collectors and the killing of any credit you may have had. Sometimes I wonder what some people use for brains! Or is it "who gives a damn as long as I"m not suffering" (conservative/Repulican "family values")(you are only valuable if you can pay/otherwise your life is cheap).

[laughingliberal]

16. It very much is 'who gives a damn as long as I'm not hurting' around here.

Too bad. Those who can not see how far up the scale the poverty is moving and who think they're secure are in for a very rude awakening. And it will be too late as those of us here now trying to fight the wave will be gone, by then.

If the smug middle thinks they don't have a target on their backs now, they need to think again.

[Dappleganger]

53. you're so right...

I am sick of my smug neighbors who are still in denial. It's hard to not grab them by the shoulders and shake them at times, they emulate the rich so much wit their attitudes yet are are the brink of insolvency and refuse to own it.

Our family has been knocked down big time. It isn't what I signed up for but I grew up with much less and know how to deal. Just teaching the husband and the kids to deal is a challenge.
The rich haven't a fucking clue and have no right to whine. They still have their boats, multiple houses, fat retirement accounts and health care.

[Quantess]

17. strawman.

Those uber-rich CEOs look at us and Haitians in the same way. We're all just filthy peasants.

[liberation]

39. With a nice side of red herring...

hmmm... smelly!

[dotymed]

47. You think that the inequality

"issue" and the fact that it is increasing fast, is a "red herring" just meant to further divide and conquer us? This is not a "wedge issue", it is THE issue.

[liberation]

59. No

I meant that the poster, who used the tragedy in Haiti to somehow twist the argument into the rich in this country as the actual "victims," was using both fallacies: a strawman and a red herring to establish the false argument and use it to tangentially divert the conversation.

[Hannah Bell]

42. no, it isn't. rich = political & economic power, not whether you have housing.

[mwb970]

45. You and *me". Should Haitians see you and *me* the same way?

Frankly, I don't understand your comment (it's early), but the grammar error hit me right in the face.

[Quantess]

50. I have complaints about post #5, but the grammar is correct.

"see you and me" is correct. "see you and I" would be wrong.

[RaleighNCDUer]

90. "see you and I..." is what #5 says - you are in agreement.

He was saying it SHOULD say "you and me".

[Quantess]

91. Whoops. I guess it was too early in the morning for me.

Point taken.

[stlsaxman]

52. Grammar Test: "Should Haitians see I the same way?" would be incorrect...

Take out the first of the two and see if it still works... "I" doesn't- in this case.

If it were "Should you and I be concerned about grammar?"- "I" would be correct.

"Should me be concerned about grammar?" ... see?

just a little FYI for ya'...

ON EDIT: "Should Haitians see I the same way?" works as a Bob Marley lyric... but he sang about JAHmaica. ;)

[truth2power]

56. "I" is in the subjective case. "Me" is objective case...

Haitians should see you. Haitians should see "I" doesn't work, because "you and I" is the object. You are correct.

[stlsaxman]

77. hey- you objectifying "me"???

heheh thanks- "objective/subjective"... that's the rule. knew it was something like that.

:hi:

[atreides1]

79. We're talking the US

So, unless Haiti invaded and took over, it's not relevant.

If you have a home, it doesn't mean you're rich, it just means you're one step ahead of the bill collectors, for the time being!!!

[blondeatlast]

6. Can you hear the sound of us, in our homes and offices, shouting BRAVO!

The DEADBEAT RICH will be retained in my vocabulary--thank you, AAV. :patriot:

[rrneck]

8. I have some fava beans and a good chianti... nt

[SammyWinstonJack]

57. EAT THE DEADBEAT RICH!

:evilgrin:

[AnArmyVeteran]

93. Even if we Soylent Green them they would probably make us sick.

They are obviously diseased creatures not even suitable for consumption.

[Stargazer99]

10. Finally! Somebody who GETS it!

[panader0]

14. K&R

As one who has worked contruction all my life, mostly as a bricklayer, I agree that those who work hardest make the least. Those who do not work at all make the most. (I've tried not working to see if my income would increase, but it didn't work.)

[Newest Reality]

15. K&R

[Eyerish]

19. K&R

[Initech]

20. Fuck them and their bank accounts.

[aikoaiko]

21. All we have to do is elect politicians who promise to raise taxes on those who make > $250K.

oh...wait...

[dotymed]

49. The 250,000 number is misleading as hell.

In many areas of the country (I am told) that is not much money.
The people who do not pay their share are the wealthy. The multi-millionaires and billionaires.
250k may be a place to start, but the taxes must really progress from there. All we (lol) have to do is look at the progressive taxes of the 50's through 70's to get an idea of what needs to be done.

[clarence swinney]

22. FACTS

2008--1% owned 43% Total Financial Wealth
120,000,000 workers own 7%

Since 1979 1% had 281% Increase in Income
Middle Class had 24%

Bush inherited
1800B Budget took to 3600B
5700B Debt took to 11,800
237,000 net new jobs per month
took to 31000 lowest since Hoover
Peace on Earth
Took to Hell on Earth in two wars
Housing and Financial Tsunami

How can any informed person vote a R into Congress?????

[Enthusiast]

41. Oh, R voters are informed, alright.

Misinformed.

They are bombarded with misinformation from Limbaugh and Fox until their heads are spinning.

[clarence swinney]

23. Derivatives Trumped Stocks

Stocks have a Value.
Derivatives have none

Since 2000 the Rich have invested with Big Derivative Sellers.
At the expense of investing in business creations and jobs.

PROOF

Dow was 11,720 in 2000 now 10,500
S&P 500 lost 30% of value since 2000

Total market is about 50,000 B in Value
Derivatives are dealing trades of 600,000 Billion

When one man makes 4000 MIllion Gambling then someone or many lost 4000 MIllion.

Derivatives are WIN/LOSE. No Value is added.

Wall Street will die justifying them.Falsely. BIG EASY $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
Larry Summers sold Bill Clinton on signing a bill freeing them from regulations.
Clinton admits it was a mistake.

it is now WSA not USA

own corporations-banks-media-congress-white house

wait for Les Miserables revolution
clarence swinney
olduglymeanhonest

[Lucky Luciano]

65. Numerous flaws here.

$600T refers to the notionals and not the values which are much much lower. Also, these derivs include those on FX and government bonds and commodities and a whole bunch of other non equity related securities...but the main point is that a $100mm interest rate swap when initiated has zero value....and will never be worth any where near $100mm.

[mnhtnbb]

24. I like the rant, but you are not correct about

"letting their great wealth park in high interest accounts".

Thanks to the crappy economy, interest rates are at an all time low. The 'great wealth'
is not sitting in high interest accounts, any more than the savings of people who need
income in retirement.

Lots of people in retirement--or about to retire--have been counting on being able to generate
a safe 6-8% on savings for income during retirement years. That's gone. You're now lucky
if you can get 2% on short term accounts.

Thanks, Wall Street. Thanks a lot.

[dotymed]

48. I believe there are some very high interest

investment opportunities for the wealthy. Look at the tee vee.
"We'll buy your structured settlement", "payday loans"..etc..all aimed at taking even more from the poor and transferring it to the wealthy.

[mnhtnbb]

70. Structured settlements are very highly regulated

and apparently the high discount rates used at one time are a thing of the past.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Structured_settlement_factoring_transaction

Financial advisors, by and large, will discourage people from selling their structured settlements.

Payday loan lenders are apparently now being financed by big banks--Wells Fargo and B of A among them--while small businesses are having a tough time getting loans out of the big boys.

One more example of the need for much stricter regulation of the banking industry.

[Bryn]

27. Pix

[begin_within]

28. But, but, but... I don't wanna mess it up because maybe someday I'll be rich too!

I keep hoping I'll win the lottery, or I'll get rich somehow, so I don't want to mess it up for rich people, because I know, I just know, I'm going to be rich too, and then I'll see it from a different viewpoint!

[SammyWinstonJack]

58. In a nutshell!

:thumbsup:

[mntleo2]

71. Give it up, lol

... I know you are being sarcastic and you are right that any dreams of being rich are just that ...dreams as you know.

We need a whole new paradigm on what "success" means ~ and hoarding all our resources so others have to pay with their first born to get the necessities should *not* be in the equation. As a matter of fact these people who hoard these things should be considered and treated as the blight.

Poverty is a affliction that is an Institution based on sexism, racism, ageism and classism that the rich use in order to divide us so they can exploit these divides for their enrichment. Until we can unite and admitt bu that poverty is part of a huge system using blame to exploit the rest of us, we will have the rich.

The simple answer is not to buy the rhetoric anymore. Whenever you hear it on the news, at the dinner table or the water cooler, gather the strength to speak your piece, knowing you are backed by MILLIONS who feel the same way.

Do not be afraid to speak the truth.

My 2 cents

Cat in Seattle

[pezDispenser]

74. bingo

[blondeatlast]

84. Yup, that;s the gnorance that holds us all back. nt

[The Wizard]

29. Why are the Democrats

in such fear of offending the deadbeat rich? They refuse to draw the proverbial line in the sand that puts the Republicans in bed with the wealthy elites who are using inordinate resources without a commensurate contribution, while at the same time exploiting the working class.

[DiverDave]

43. RE-ELECTION BUCKS!

Thats why!
We need to publicly finance all campaigns in this country.
Then throw anyone that takes a bribe in the hoosegow.
Politions need to raise INSANE amounts of money to get elected, and they aint getting it from us, thats for sure.

[daleanime]

30. Hell yea...

:grr: The revolution will not be televised.

[leftstreet]

31. K&R

[AllyCat]

32. Well said!

[gtar100]

33. Wish I could rec this for every dollar they have stolen from the working class.

So true. Are we on our way yet for our own guillotine moment in history?

[lutherj]

34. Parasites.

"They toil not, neither do they spin . . ." Capitalism is a giant machine designed to transfer the product of the labor of the many into the hands of the few. Imagine what kind of world we would have if the work of the people went into building sustainable communities instead of feeding the greed of the rich.

[txlibdem]

54. Agreed but the guillotine is too good for them

Instead we should put them to work. Let them pick up trash alongside the roadways, in chains of course. Let them dig a ditch, fill it in, dig another one. Require them to carry the heavy burdens they so blithely force upon the poorest of us, for their entire life. If there is a dangerous but mindless job, let the former rich do it.

Immediate garnishment of all assets and accounts be they here in the US or abroad is priority one, so they cannot move their money to a safe haven. At the same time we curtail all movements of goods and people in or out of the country so the rich cannot escape, nor send their evil demon spawn away.

[Lucky Luciano]

94. So, Pol Pot faked his death and moved to Texas?!?!! Who knew? nt

[txlibdem]

96. Someone needs to learn their history

Pol Pot committed atrocities against innocent people.

There are no innocent rich people. They are guilty down to the man. They decide the toil for millions of Americans today. They decide the time, place and budget and cause the deaths of millions across the world including no small number right here in the USA. Or did you forget the mine in WV, the 11 deaths on an oil rig in the gulf... So your incorrect and laughable comparison needs no response beyond a roll of the eyes.

:spank::dunce:

[Lucky Luciano]

97. My main point was that you are definitely an extremist.

I am sure Pol Pot started out with good intentions. I doubt he was aiming to go down on history as he did. Your mentality is dangerous. You have decided that all the rich are evil and I am sure those making six figures are people you consider rich...so, shall we purge the world of all six figure earners? After we have eliminated them, those making $50k look rich..what do we do about those parasites in that case?!

Not to worry...I know you are not like that. People can make extreme sounding statements on message boards.

[Starry Messenger]

35. +1000

[hughee99]

37. When are our leaders going to speak out?

Perhaps when we stop electing the "deadbeat rich" to office.

http://thehill.com/homenews/senate/116491-the-hills-50-wealthiest-list-slideshow

[Hubert Flottz]

46. The Deadbeat Rich own our Deadbeat mis-Leaders.

Karl Childers was smarter than George Bush and the entire GOP including the Blue Dogs.

[dhill926]

85. you got it........n/t

[City Lights]

51. K&R!

:thumbsup:

[happygoluckytoyou]

60. IT IS, AND ALWAYS HAS BEEN, CLASS WARFARE...AND TAXES ARE THE GREAT EQUALIZER

[Deep13]

61. It's feudalism, but with money instead of land. nt

[2critical]

62. RE: K&R; now that's what I'm talking about! EOM

[ProfessionalLeftist]

63. Well said. Thank you. n/t

[orbitalman]

64. In a word... YES ! n/t

[Uncle Joe]

66. Kicked and recommended.

Thanks for the thread, AnArmyVeteran.

[Jackpine Radical]

67. I pity the rich. I want to provide free housing for them.

[Butch350]

68. You do know there are wealthy democrats too...in that 2%

you think their gonna help cut their own throats? They'll do a song and a dance around that one!

[lonestarnot]

69. K & R!

[blindpig]

73. Only when our leaders are working class.

It is kind of ridiculous to expect members of the political class(a division of the upper middle class) to bite the hand that feeds them. Unlike other members of that sub-set these people have no useful real world ability, whoring for the ruling class is their only 'skill'.

[bvar22]

78. BRAVO !!

Edited down to 4 succinct paragraphs, this would make a GREAT Stealth Handbill to start leaving in WalMart Parking lots, Community Bulletin Boards, Laundromats, Car Washes, Telephone Poles....

Its time, Folks.

[left coaster]

80. I agree, absolutely! Seriously, let's do it..

My printer needs a good work out, and all the walking will do me good.

(not like I have a job to go to, these days)

[alp227]

81. HELL YEAH!

Here's something I've been thinking about.

People are poor because they're lazy...but then other people are overly rich not just because of hard work and moral superiority but also worse traits like familial connections, trust funds, and being spoiled.

[brewens]

82. People don't realize everyone gets paid out of the same pot.

It might be a seven trillion dollar economy, but if you have someone taking millions for doing nothing beneficial, somewhere you end up without enough money to pay for something worthwhile.
Look at what a corporate tax lawyer does. They might bill $500 an hour to help a corporation avoid paying taxes they owe. That's a job that shouldn't even exist. The tax code shouldn't be so complicated, with so many loopholes built in, to enable that guy to do his job. We end up with millions going right down a hole, to screw us out of even more millions in tax revenue. Actually billions nationwide.
People running companies all over the country don't even have to do a good job anymore. They fail and bail out with millions.

[KansDem]

83. TARP did it for me...

I would enter into debates with "trickle-down" proponents about capitalism vs. socialism, and at best it would end up a tie. The always argue the wealthy provide the capital for jobs and industry. Now, however, I just utter the word "TARP" and walk away. There is no defense for "capitalism is better" when failed capitalists are bailed out by American taxpayers.

That's "welfare."

[AnArmyVeteran]

99. Corporate welfare is fine to those on the right.

Have you seen the latest barrage of ads by the American Petroleum Institute attacking any plans to raise taxes? What they are really protesting is the elimination of billions of dollars in federal subsidies, corporate welfare. Oil companies are obsessed with greed. They have been making obscenely record profits but that is not enough. It's time we stopped giving them even a dime in subsidies.

[KansDem]

100. "It's time we stopped giving them even a dime in subsidies."

Agree 100%.

We even give subsidies to corporations like McDonald's to advertise in foreign markets.

Another beneficiary,
McDonalds Corporation, reportedly is spending about $750 million
a year on advertising. We question whether the additional $1.2
million in government funds was crucial to the success of
McDonalds' overseas market development strategy.
(pp. 5-6}
http://pdf.usaid.gov/pdf_docs/PCAAA367.pdf

McD's can pay for its own advertising overseas! :grr:

[NAO]

88. And their freeloading children, too

Yes, the deadbeat rich do nothing but collect interest. And worse still, they breed and their offspring get to keep all the money they sucked off of society just for having been born to deadbeat rich parents.

Their deadbeat patents at least did something at one time to get things rolling so money could roll in faster they any human could produce it. Their deadbeat kids haven't even d one that.

[AnArmyVeteran]

92. Look at the Walton clan. Each offspring is worth $20 billion for squiming out of their momma's womb.

It's obscene that all a person has to do is be pushed out of a womb to get $20 billion like Sam Walton's offspring. And then even that's not enough to those soulless people. They oppress and underpay their employees, they destroy small businesses and they sell products made by slaves (including children) in communist China. The Walton offspring must all be sociopaths to each have $20 billion and still want more. They are all consumed by limitless, evil greed just like most of the super wealthy who are destroying this country.

[maryf]

95. and yet these same rich folks claim that people don't deserve

to collect unemployment, or social security, and scream if they want a roof over their head!!

[hootinholler]

89. And I didn't even need my terminal glasses to read it.

An interesting name. They've been yelling at the deadbeat poor, so why not.

-Hoot

[ThatsMyBarack]

98. I like your LARGE PRINT.

It's easy to read without being too loud! :hi: