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cynatnite Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-31-07 10:11 AM
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Windows Vista Hacked Within Hours Of Launch
Microsoft’s long-awaited Windows Vista was finally released yesterday – and already a hacker has claimed to have broken the operating software’s encryption.

Five years in the making, Windows Vista has been described by Bill Gates, head of Microsoft, as one of “the highest quality products that Microsoft has ever released. We are excited to see what people are going to do with it.”

Though today’s Metro reports that a Candian security expert has already released technical details of how to unlock Vista’s video encryption, allowing him to now copy high-def DVDs on to his computer.

Microsoft isn’t going to worry too much however, as Vista is expected to be installed in at least 100 million computers by the end of this year, keeping Gates at the top of the money tree for a long while yet.

http://www.entertainmentwise.com/news?id=27388
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SpiralHawk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-31-07 10:12 AM
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1. D'oh
Edited on Wed Jan-31-07 10:13 AM by SpiralHawk
Thanks a pantload, Microsoft.

Bill Gates & crew must take their clues from Commander AWOL.

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havocmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-31-07 10:14 AM
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2. Maybe what we are seeing is Karma
If Gates hadn't pissed off so many bright chaps with his methods...
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Ravy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-31-07 10:22 AM
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5. Microsoft Karma(tm) is not due for release until 2011.
:hide:
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havocmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-31-07 10:45 AM
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8. That'd be about right. Mayan new world starts in 2012
Out with the Material World in with the World of Ether... Have you stocked up on ethernet cards? Gonna be bigger than duct tape and plastic sheeting ;)
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Taverner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-31-07 10:15 AM
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3. There is no reason to upgrade to Vista
It looks pretty, but it runs slower, you can't view HD DVDs without going through a million steps to "prove" theyre legit, everything else is hampered, and its impossible to find anything

Stick with XP or better yet, use Win2K

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iconoclastic cat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-31-07 10:32 AM
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6. I am THIS close to going to Linux.
I'm just working up the testicular fortitude.
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Swamp Rat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-31-07 10:52 AM
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12. Do it!
You won't be sorry once you make the leap. ;)
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IDemo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-31-07 11:12 AM
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14. I made the leap to Linux not once, but several times
And have leapt back and nuked the 'Grub-Lilo' bootloader from my machine. Tried Suse, Mandrake/Mandriva, Knoppix, and Red Hat. I have removed each installation after experiencing enough frustration with various system tools, and having to use terminal windows more so since my Dos 5.1 days. I would not recommend any current flavor of Linux to someone who is not already somewhat experienced with computing in general, and has more patience than I do. Simply doing so because you loathe Windows or Microsoft is not a good reason.
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Swamp Rat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-31-07 11:47 AM
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17. I loathe viruses and virus protection software, spyware, trojan horses,
and an operating system that crashes frequently.

I never had the problems you experienced with Linux.

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Occulus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-31-07 12:02 PM
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19. Try Fedora
Edited on Wed Jan-31-07 12:06 PM by kgfnally
I've used all the distros you mentioned, but I noticed you said "Red Hat" and not "Fedora", which makes me think you may not have seen it in a while. Fedora is a whole lot more slick than Red Hat ever was.

They're trying, hard, to address your (and many users') biggest concern- having to use the terminal. Sometimes, it's unavoidable, but then, I occasionally have to open up a "dos" box in XP to issue this or that command.

All that said, I have very little patience for seeing

Dependency failed: package foo-1.0.0.2-x86_64 conflicts with package foo-1.0.0.1-x86_64.
Installation aborted.


*sigh*

su -c 'yum remove foo'
yum search foo
yum install foo-1.0.0.2-x86_64


*sigh*

./configure
make


Make sandwich.


make install
make clean

foo

foo: command not found


Then I implode.

:D
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kineneb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-31-07 12:17 PM
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22. been using Linux for 5+ years
and have been perfectly happy with it. It is particularly good for those unable to do frequent hardware upgrades. I have it running on an IBM 600E Thinkpad (366Mhz Pentium II,<256K ram), it runs faster than 98.
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Taxloss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-31-07 10:47 AM
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9. I'm sticking with XP.
After three years of tinkering I've only just got it to run right.
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jsamuel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-31-07 10:49 AM
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10. If your getting a new computer, you have little choice.
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kineneb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-31-07 12:14 PM
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21. reformat, load Linux
yes, there still is a choice...

happy (poor) Penguinista!
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Occulus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-31-07 12:22 PM
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23. Totally not true
Buy a new motherboard and CPU with sound and networking installed (as most motherboards are). If you don't want to game, get a generic video card. Cannibalize your current hard drive and/or vid card and/or CD/DVD drives if you can or want to.

It costs a lot less than you might think. It can also cost more if you don't know how to shop for parts. Personally, I prefer to build my own- especially since one of HP's latest seems to be a possible harbinger of things to come: it doesn't let you run linux on it, period.

Apparently, HP wants you to have no choice but to use Windows. I smell antitrust.

Sure I do....
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MyNameGoesHere Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-31-07 12:51 PM
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29. huh?
HP is a big supporter of linux servers and boxes.

http://h71028.www7.hp.com/enterprise/cache/309906-0-0-0-121.html

The boogeyman can't be everywhere at once give him a break.
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walldude Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-31-07 10:15 AM
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4. Hacked copies have been floating around the net for months
already. Hackers are hard at work getting work arounds for all the spyware and anti-piracy stuff embedded in Vista.
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cynatnite Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-31-07 10:35 AM
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7. But aren't those beta versions? n/t
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walldude Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-31-07 10:59 AM
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13. Yup.. sent out to beta testers to uncover bugs
the releases I've seen in the last 6 months have been near complete though. I tested it on a spare system I have, hardcore users won't find much to love, but the casual user will like it. It's much easier to use than XP, the hardcore will find that it's been dumbed down a little too much for their tastes. I'm going to hold out buying it till they get a few service packs out and the hackers can get rid of all the spyware, I don't think it will be necessary to own for at least a year or so.
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RegimeChange2008 Donating Member (183 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-31-07 12:43 PM
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27. Not all of them.
Edited on Wed Jan-31-07 12:43 PM by RegimeChange2008
The Windows Vista final was released to computer manufacturers around Thanksgiving so they would be able to pre-install new computers with Vista. This version of the final is always out 2 or 3 months before the retail release date, and so far it's always been leaked to the internet.

Uhh, or so I've heard O8)
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Little Wing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-31-07 10:50 AM
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11. It's not the activation that's been cracked, it's the video viewing system
I wish people would read more.
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Occulus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-31-07 12:26 PM
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24. In a way, this is better for us than an installation crack
This crack actually allows you to use the hardware you paid for to its full potential on the computer you paid for, running the OS you paid for, playing back the content you paid for!

Imagine that!!

:nosarcasmatall:

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Occulus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-31-07 11:20 AM
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15. As Scotty said in Start Trek III,
Edited on Wed Jan-31-07 11:38 AM by kgfnally
"The more they overwork the plumbing, the easier it gets to plug up the drain."

One DAY. 24 HOURS.

I'd like to send a message to all the content protection DMCA DHCP cheerleaders on this board: You can't win. Ever. Hackers will always- always- be able to beat you at your own game, and as we can see here, very quickly. Stop spending money on making it harder and harder for me to make legit copies after paying you (funny thing about that: the more you spend on content protection for "your" "property", the more *I* get to pay *you* for using it... I wonder how that benefits *you*)- do what Bethesda Softworks did for Oblivion, what Firaxis did with Civilization 4, what Tilted Mill did with Children of the Nile- GIVE UP. You can't win.

You won't win. We won't let you.
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gristy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-31-07 11:20 AM
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16. And this would be a bad thing for the consumer? For Microsoft?
For who?
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Tesha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-31-07 11:51 AM
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18. Golly.
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The Straight Story Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-31-07 12:04 PM
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20. To be fair - vista copies have been floating around for awhile
So they may have hacked it earlier :)
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paparush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-31-07 12:31 PM
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25. The HD content encryption was broken (by a very clever hack)
A VISTA user loaded a HD DVD into his player and began playing the DVD. He took a snapshot of the systems memory and forwarded that snapshot to muslix64.

Since the blue ray disk was being played, the license key had to be somewhere in memory. Muslix stepped through the memory stream, 4 bytes at a time, until he found the license key that would decrypt a HD dvd..

VERY SWEET HACK!



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Beelzebud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-31-07 12:34 PM
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26. Content protection schemes will (and should, imo) always be cracked. On ANY OS.
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Poiuyt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-31-07 12:44 PM
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28. Get a Mac
I've never had to worry about viruses, worms, malware, hacking.
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MadHound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-31-07 01:08 PM
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30. Yeah, and water is wet too
After all, this is a Microsoft product, and this is entirely predictable. Hell, I'm suprised it took hours to do rather than minutes.

Just another reason that I'm glad I have a Mac, I don't have to deal with this shit.
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