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nashville_brook Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-16-10 07:16 PM
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FISTBUMPS for religious tolerance! But remember, it's still "the system, stupid."
We can't afford to be so worried about losing the next election that we lose the battles we owe to the next generation. -- Barack Obama, 2008 stump speeches


Famously, a sign hung in Clinton's campaign war room, that supposedly read: "it's the economy, stupid." Well, it did kinda say that. But that wasn't the only reminder on the sign. Nor was it the first and foremost.

The actual sign read:

1. Change vs. more of the same
2. The economy, stupid
3. Don't forget health care.

The very first slot was "change vs more of the same," and this happens to be the message that Obama super charged and and drove into the White House with tires screeching.

"Change you can believe in" was Obama's winning message, and for those of us who believed, it was more than campaign speechifying. It was a solemn promise that we could expect changes in the system, because the "fierce urgency of now" demanded it. Because, "we can't afford to be so worried about losing the next election that we lose the battles we owe to the next generation."

Ironically, halfway into Obama's first term, too much "more of the same" is the number one criticism of the administration. And even though this is disputed territory, it's not like Obama was vague on this point:


If you believe, then we can tell the lobbyists that their days of setting the agenda in Washington are over.

If you believe, then we can stop making promises to America's workers and start delivering – jobs that pay, health care that's affordable, pensions you can count on, and a tax cut for working Americans instead of the companies who send their jobs overseas.

If you believe, we can end this war, close Guantanamo, restore our standing, renew our diplomacy, and once again respect the Constitution of the United States of America.


I was one of the masses who wept and cheered as Obama listed all the ways we've been betrayed by the professional politicians in Washington:


I've heard from seniors who were betrayed by CEOs who dumped their pensions while pocketing bonuses, and from those who still can't afford their prescriptions because Congress refused to negotiate with the drug companies for the cheapest available price.

I've met Maytag workers who labored all their lives only to see their jobs shipped overseas; who now compete with their teenagers for $7-an-hour jobs at Wal-Mart.

I've spoken with teachers who are working at donut shops after school just to make ends meet; who are still digging into their own pockets to pay for school supplies.


He asked me to believe, and I did. I believed that this new kind of politician might really be able to drive the lobbyists and corporations from the temple, and bring honor back to our foreign policy (by closing Gitmo, and ending the executive privilege excesses of the Cheney Administration). My excitement for Obama grew out of his insistence that meaningful change is systemic, and not incremental. It was as if his war room sign read: "It's the system, stupid."

It was a radical promise to level the playing field. And was risky business to invoke past betrayals in order to get our votes, because failure to follow through would compound that sense of betrayal and pose serious issues for "next elections."

Despite the risk, Team Obama deployed this radical rhetoric because they needed support of "new voters" -- first-timers and independent voters who after years of the betrayal of cynical triangulation, and seeing their issues horse-traded away, had concluded that voting was futile. First-time and independent voters don't connect with either party because they've been betrayed equally by both sides, and that's an especially hard perception to counter in campaign courtship.

The GOP tries to court independent voters by appealing to their "lesser angels" with fear ("terra," 9/11, xenophobia). It was a beautiful thing that Obama wooed them by invoking our "better angels" such as "hope." Obama promised *systemic change* -- "change we could believe in" -- and in unison, lefties, centrists and independents said "yes, we can" vote for you.

Given this spectacular promise, the last thing we expected was for Goldman-Sachs to be running the country's economic policy and looting the treasury. To counter our concerns we were told that putting insiders in charge of change was "pragmatic." This miscalculation and others like it have clearly taken a political toll, as illustrated in the 20-percent drop in independent voter support for Democrats in the midterm election. According to the AP it's not just independents who're skittish: "other groups that supported Obama but show less fervor include young whites, unmarried women, people who live in the West, people earning under $50,000 a year, college graduates and urban whites."

Is anyone left?

Oh yeah...the left. We're still here despite the White House's "we're really not that into you" campaign. Our war room signs never read "close the Pentagon!" They read "Change You Can Believe In" just like everyone else's. The left is actually very excited about quite a few members of Congress who've consistently fought the "battles owed to the next generation," by focusing on reforms that seek to level the playing field -- that put people before profits.

So, I'll give Obama props for his politically risky support of religious tolerance for muslims because this is a battle that we owe to the next generation. Fistbump!

But when I look at the Obama poster that "hopes" at me from over my desk, I remember that when I framed that sucker I did so because of "the system, stupid."



(..hello, from my living room.)
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LWolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-16-10 07:25 PM
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1. Well done.
:applause:
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nashville_brook Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-16-10 08:59 PM
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14. it's not like the left in this country (or on this board), is asking for revolutionary action.
we've been completely consistent in our expectations. they can be summed up as "stop screwing us."

that's all we ask.
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LWolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-17-10 08:51 AM
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25. Stop screwing us.
How do we change the dynamics, so that tptb no longer gain anything by screwing us?
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nashville_brook Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-17-10 09:38 AM
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26. now that it's clear Obama isn't going to be a reformist savior, perhaps

we can start amassing some power for ourselves instead of giving it all away to the first pol who comes along with rousing speeches and good looks.

we can't outsource our own political defense.
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LWolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-17-10 09:57 AM
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28. Good plan.
Where do we start?
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nashville_brook Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-17-10 10:29 AM
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29. ...i actually think this is the time for major "outsider" actions, and i think it would SHOCK
Edited on Tue Aug-17-10 10:36 AM by nashville_brook
americans to know just who is on the outside now.

for instance, i think a major teacher' action -- like a march on DC -- could be huge.

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LWolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-17-10 10:48 AM
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30. Well, there's the October 2nd March in DC.
I don't have the funds to travel to the other coast, but if there is left coast action that day in support, I'll be there.

A bunch of simultaneous actions around the nation is probably easier to organize and manage.

Someone recently started an effort on FB to organize a "million teacher march." It doesn't have a lot of support yet, but I'm keeping an eye on it:

http://www.facebook.com/event.php?eid=133813159994829&ref=mf
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nashville_brook Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-17-10 11:06 AM
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31. damn -- that could use a bit more exposure.
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LWolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-17-10 11:07 AM
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32. A "bit" more, lol. nt
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nashville_brook Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-17-10 02:05 PM
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38. the other side of the equation is that as people have "less to lose" we're more of a threat.
just by nature, when people have less to lose they'll get involved in more radical forms of action.

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DirkGently Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-16-10 07:25 PM
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2. +1 It IS the system (stupid)

That's what ALL of our war room signs should say.

And I think I have that poster, too. :)

Well done.
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nashville_brook Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-16-10 07:28 PM
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3. it's so cool that good graphic design was a feature of the campaign. design so good
it merits a place on the wall thru thick and thin. art is a battle for the next generation.
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asdjrocky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-16-10 07:32 PM
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4. I find nothing to disagree with.
I've never felt more personally marginalized, and the thing that drives me nuts is I supported it, worked for it, and voted for it.

Lesson learned.
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nashville_brook Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-16-10 07:39 PM
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5. i had a poly sci prof, during the Reagan administration, who talked a lot about
"insider" and "outsider" politics. at the time i couldn't conceive of what it would be like to be "on the inside" -- to have our party in power.

this prof said that i was being shortsighted. that it's possible my party would someday get into office, and i'd still need to practice "outsider politics." i had no idea what he was talking about.
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asdjrocky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-16-10 07:49 PM
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6. I had a girlfriend who had a poly sci prof during the Reagan admin-
I used to read the books, I think it counts for some college credit.

Jokes aside, he was making a very good point. Sometimes it takes experience to figure it out.
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nashville_brook Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-16-10 08:01 PM
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7. if you read books you were likely doing more work than most of the people i went to school with
who got their degrees in Beer.

:evilgrin:

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DirkGently Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-16-10 08:11 PM
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8. That's really it. "Insiders" have no place in systemic change
Goldman-Sachs to fix the subprime mortgage debacle? We and Mr. Obama can do much, much better. We'll have to if we want independents AND lefties to go to the polls for us.
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nashville_brook Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-16-10 08:13 PM
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9. okay -- that just blew my mind -- i'm remembering the class more clearly now...
that was exactly his point.
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DirkGently Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-16-10 08:26 PM
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10. It's one thing to say systemic change comes slowly ...
It's another to pretend that was never the goal. Or the promise.
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nashville_brook Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-16-10 08:37 PM
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11. it's the pinnacle of bad faith to pretend that systemic change was never the goal.
it's like saying 'Bush never intended to go to war in Iraq.' it's insulting...and it's the abused spouse thing, again. we KNOW what we heard. we KNOW what we voted for.

most of the people i talk to believed we needed to rise about this sort of spinning b/c it just doesn't work. sure it's ugly -- but it's also stupid.
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DirkGently Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-16-10 08:45 PM
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12. Are we not *always* talking about qualitative "change?"
Not quantitative? I've always thought that was something we had going for us. No more foxes guarding henhouses, for instance.
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nashville_brook Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-16-10 09:23 PM
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17. who else but a fox would know the ins-and-outs of henhouse security?
besides, henhouse reform would be meaningless if it didn't come from foxes.

this is a real opportunity for Obama to show his leadership skills by compelling foxes to guard the henhouse.
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Ignis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-16-10 08:57 PM
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13. "we're really not that into you"
I'm not sure whether to laugh or cry at that pointed criticism.

K&R :thumbsup:
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nashville_brook Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-16-10 09:09 PM
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15. you might be a political booty call if...
they'll take your vote and your donations and your precinct work...but won't been seen with your issues.
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Ignis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-16-10 09:12 PM
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16. DAMN!
I was feeling used before you wrote that. :(

Sad but true, and truth is a rare commodity 'round here these days. Don't stop!
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nashville_brook Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-16-10 10:00 PM
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19. no shame in being a booty call as long as you know that's what it is...
no wait...that's totally shameful.

:evilgrin:
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DirkGently Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-16-10 09:44 PM
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18. Youch. Not a pleasant analogy. But apt, I fear.
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nashville_brook Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-16-10 10:26 PM
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20. better to go into it with eyes open than to think they're going to come back and marry you.
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DirkGently Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-17-10 11:32 AM
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33. Amen. 8)
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nashville_brook Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-17-10 11:58 AM
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35. patton oswalt said it better -- something about a blowjob behind a tilt-a-whirl
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DirkGently Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-17-10 12:04 PM
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36. Patton is the (hobbit-like) Man.
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nashville_brook Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-17-10 12:20 PM
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37. ack ack ack!!!!!!! Oswalt's coming to Orlando!!!!!!!!!
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laughingliberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-16-10 10:55 PM
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21. K & R nt
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WillyT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-16-10 11:49 PM
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22. Big K & R !!!
:kick:
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nashville_brook Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-17-10 08:50 AM
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24. ...
:fistbump:
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nashville_brook Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-17-10 06:06 AM
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23. morning kickee
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OnyxCollie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-17-10 09:52 AM
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27. K&R. nt
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TriMera Donating Member (885 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-17-10 11:42 AM
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34. K&R...and, as usual,
very well said, nashville_brook.:hi:
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nashville_brook Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-17-10 06:24 PM
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39. evening kickee.
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