This is NOT what I want to hear from a Democratic candidate for president.

[Mass]

http://observer.com/20070205/20070205_Jason_Horowitz_politics_newsstory1-2.asp

Biden Unbound: Lays Into
Clinton, Obama, Edwards

By Jason Horowitz
/ Click Here!
...
“Are they going to turn to Hillary Clinton?” Biden asked, lowering his voice to a hush to explain why Mrs. Clinton won’t win the election.

“Everyone in the world knows her,” he said. “Her husband has used every single legitimate tool in his behalf to lock people in, shut people down. Legitimate. And she can’t break out of 30 percent for a choice for Democrats? Where do you want to be? Do you want to be in a place where 100 percent of the Democrats know you? They’ve looked at you for the last three years. And four out of 10 is the max you can get?”

Mr. Biden is equally skeptical—albeit in a slightly more backhanded way—about Mr. Obama. “I mean, you got the first mainstream African-American who is articulate and bright and clean and a nice-looking guy,” he said. “I mean, that’s a storybook, man.”
...

“I don’t think John Edwards knows what the heck he is talking about,” Mr. Biden said, when asked about Mr. Edwards’ advocacy of the immediate withdrawal of about 40,000 American troops from Iraq.

“John Edwards wants you and all the Democrats to think, ‘I want us out of there,’ but when you come back and you say, ‘O.K., John’”—here, the word “John” became an accusatory, mocking refrain—“‘what about the chaos that will ensue? Do we have any interest, John, left in the region?’ Well, John will have to answer yes or no. If he says yes, what are they? What are those interests, John? How do you protect those interests, John, if you are completely withdrawn? Are you withdrawn from the region, John? Are you withdrawn from Iraq, John? In what period? So all this stuff is like so much Fluffernutter out there. So for me, what I think you have to do is have a strategic notion. And they may have it—they are just smart enough not to enunciate it.”

Now, I share some of these views, but is it really what I want to hear from somebody running for president. Does it give me confidence in the person?

The answer is clear: NO

BTW, Biden is everyday on TV, does not yet have the media yapping at him, and the best he can do is 4 %. Please, this smells desperation.

[flpoljunkie]

1. Very, shall we say, unbecoming for a presidential hopeful--out of context or not.

[blm]

32. He could've said all this about Bush in 2004 but WOULD NOT. He promised Bush he wouldn't

politicize the Iraq war during the election, and he kept his promise.

Biden is a typical Democratic bigname - they will fight harder against each other than they will against Bush or FOR each other.

[Ganja Ninja]

2. Biden is only slightly to the left of Lieberman.

If he's the Dem's candidate in 2008 I'll stay home.

[acmavm]

3. Biden is a joke. He's gotta have something to run on or some

type of platform so I guess running down the competition is what he's chosen.

He's a political hack. Check out his record. Mr. Citibank was no friend to women during the Anita Hill hearings. His showed his true colors during that fiasco.

[Ian David]

4. Joe Biden is articulate and bright and clean and nice-looking... for a white guy. n/t

[pnwmom]

24. No he isn't.

Not even for a white guy with hair plugs.

[Missy M]

5. It seems we don't need the republicans doing the hatchet job...

we have our own doing it. Talk about a total insult to African Americans with his comment about Obama.

[More Than A Feeling]

8. and now we do it to him. Not that he doesn't deserve it.

Those quotes, if they are truly his, are ugly. But I have a feeling that all those non-bashing pledges only apply to certain candidates. Others, like Biden, might as well be wearing giant targets.

[salin]

6. er ... that interview makes you wonder

if he didn't do better when he was plagerizing.

[jgraz]

7. The words of a frustrated man who has long faded to irrelevance

Go back to lobbying for MBNA and let someone else take that seat you've been warming for years.

What the hell is it with Senators named "Joe"?? Lieberman, Biden, McCarthy...has there ever been a "Senator Joe" who was worth a damn?

[More Than A Feeling]

11. Sure there has.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_Taylor_Robinson

[Spiffarino]

13. I wonder...will any DE politico be in the pocket of Big Credit?

I admit to not knowing much about Delaware but, since so many credit cards come from there, wouldn't doing their bidding be an expected part of the job? After all, they must be employing a lot of Delaware's citizens.

Any First Staters care to educate me?

[bvar22]

36. Should the represenatives from Delaware....

Should the represenatives from Delaware take orders from a handful of CEOs and major stockholders, or should they represent the vast majority of Americans who live and work in the state of Delaware?


The Democratic Party is a BIG TENT, but there is NO ROOM for those
who advance the agenda of THE RICH (Corporate Owners) at the EXPENSE of LABOR and the POOR.

[Spiffarino]

37. That's kind of my point

Are they representing the people of the state by promoting the agenda of "MegaCreditCorp?"

In Alaska, the majority tends to vote Big Oil because it's a big part of their economy. If the people of a state vote with the corporatocracy, then are they not part of the problem?

[rosesaylavee]

9. I am no fan at all of Biden

but I am glad he's asking these questions. Let the candidates refute what he says. I'd like to hear their answers.

As for his candidacy, he's toast and must know it if he's giving this kind of interview. He may stay in to ask the pressing questions that the media seems incapable of posing.

[Alamom]

10. Did he smear everyone except our sociopathic

leader?


He's a total ASS.






“Everyone in the world knows her,” he said.......... Yes, thankfully, they do.

[demnan]

12. Jealousy is very unbecoming in a Senator

n/t

[Rottenmac]

14. In the immortal words

of Phillip J. Fry
"On election day, Im going to send these guys a message by staying home and dressing up like a clown."

(in response to/ agreement with...)

2. Biden is only slightly to the left of Lieberman.

If he's the Dem's candidate in 2008 I'll stay home.
http://www.draftgore.com/

[emulatorloo]

22. I doubt Biden will get the nom. But another repug president will destroy us EOM

[Raster]

15. How can you say that about Senator MBNA? I'm sure his owners, the credit card industry,

are gonna raise your rates.

[hayu_lol]

18. It is encouraging to note that so many of US agree on this guy...

We have watched Biden embrace almost everything Bush wanted to do over the past 6 years.

Some, who just noticed Joe for the first time, think that he might be a good candidate.

Not this lib.

[mmonk]

16. I'm not voting for him, so I could care less about his political posturing.

Facts be known, I really don't give a crap about any of the candidates' political posturing right now. My country is in deep doo doo and I'm looking for people willing to fix it right now.

[Hav]

17. .

Did he really say that or is just another fabrication like that Obama smear?
If yes, wth was this passage about:
"you got the first mainstream African-American who is articulate and bright and clean and a nice-looking guy"


Obama is the first "mainstream African-American" who is articulate and bright and clean?
That is such a stupid thing to say that I'm giving Biden the benefit of doubt. At least I hope he didn't say something like this.

[Mass]

19. This is a direct quote, so I assume he said it.

May be in context, it does not sound as ugly as that, but we have direct quotes here. No unamed sources, no " he said that" + a paraphrase.

[pnwmom]

23. It is incredible, isn't it?

If he said it, he's even a worse person than I thought he was.

[babylonsister]

20. Just what we need, Dems eating their own. I don't

like it on this board, I despise it from politicians. Not what I want to hear either.

[Orsino]

25. Uh-uh. WE have been Biden's lunch for many years.

We are not the aggressors here.

[TZ]

21. I don't really know why this guy keeps trying

to run for President. He has never ever been anywhere close. These quotes prove to me he is somewhat less than a genius. Hate to say it about a liberal democrat but he seems like quite the media whore to me really.

[Canuckistanian]

26. As I heard someone say, the most dangerous place to be...

... is between Joe Biden and a camera.

[justiceischeap]

27. "articulate and bright and clean"

Clean!?!?!?!? That's kinda implying that African-americans are usually dirty. Hmmmmm...... Way to go Joe!

[Catchawave]

28. I can't wait for the debates !

:evilgrin:

[Deep13]

29. Yeah, sure, um, why did you vote for the bankruptcy bill again?

:shrug:

[izzybeans]

30. The fact that he thinks that Obama is the "first mainstream African-American who is

articulate and bright and clean and a nice-looking guy" is pretty telling. It sounds like, "You aren't like the rest of em'. Are ya boy?"

[ProfessorGAC]

33. I Thought The Same Thing

I thought that was the worst of the things in the OP. The "first" articulate mainstream black man? Think Colin Powell or others might want to debate that. Political persuasion aside, Obama is not the first anything. (OK, maybe the first Senator to have actually lived in Indonesia.)
The Professor

[in_cog_ni_to]

31. Why didn't he mention how much he hates the credit card companies, unlimited interest rates,

and that horrendous, SHAMEFUL Bankruptcy Bill HE voted for? Maybe, while he's at it, he could tell the world where his son works?

Biden's needs to shut the hell up. He likes to talk WAY TOO MUCH.

[Mass]

34. TMP has it too.

http://www.tpmcafe.com/blog/electioncentral/2007/jan/31/biden_unloads_on_clinton_obama_edwards

[Norquist Nemesis]

35. Bad strategy to get my vote

I'm not going to be listening if his best shot is taking pot shots at other Democrats to try and level the field. It only gives ammunition to the Cons for the GE and saves them dough on opposition research.

At least for me, Biden should be talking about what he would do as President while lobbing missiles at Cons and the ideologues in that party.

[Eurobabe]

38. MBNA Biden not even on my radar screen....

*~blip~*

[populistdriven]

39. If Mr Biden doesn't use a Loofa then he is a dirty old man

[w13rd0]

40. Biden is such an arrogant...

...self-important prig that I don't even care WHAT his views are, he's just icky.

[Mass]

41. I missed the part relative to Gore and Kerry when I read the article this morning.

I am not sure what Biden is trying to accomplish by attacking the two former nominees + the frontrunners of the 08 election in a single article, but he should stop giving interviews.

[Jim Warren]

42. Gore is looking better each passing day nt

[Spiffarino]

44. Please, God. Let him run. n/t

[Spiffarino]

43. Biden: Lousy presidential candidate. Good Senator.

I've been laying into Joe Biden all day about his stupid Obama comments. So, in the interest of fairness, let me add one more thing. I believe is a good Senator and a good Democrat. He is organized, energetic, humorous and fair. He is also widely respected by both sides. While we may not appreciate that so much at DU, it's a positive boon for a Senator and it makes him extremely effective.

Biden has a lot of flaws (e.g., the Bankrupty laws, the IWR). However, I'd gladly take a roomful of Bidens if doing so keeps the Publicans out of power. He's far better than the best they can offer.

I'm done bashing Joe. The Publicans are far more ripe for the plucking.