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marmar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-27-10 09:03 PM
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Webb And "White Privilege."
from the American Prospect:




Webb And "White Privilege."


There are a number of things about Senator Jim Webb's op-ed "The Myth of White Privilege" to dislike, starting with the fact that one of the awesome things about the existence of white privilege is that you can be part of a body like the U.S. Senate, which has a total number of zero elected black members, and write something titled "The Myth of White Privilege" without anyone batting an eyelash. That said, Webb's op-ed is considerably more nuanced than the title, acknowledging that "The injustices endured by black Americans at the hands of their own government have no parallel in our history," although he makes the same mistake as Ross Douthat in repeating the conservative frame of zero-sum competition between whites and people of color.

For some reason, Webb sees the existence of poor whites as proof white privilege doesn't exist, when it's largely a non sequitur. The existence of Southie or Appalachia does not change the fact that a white man with a prison record has an easier time than a black person without one. But what I find really remarkable is this:

The old South was a three-tiered society, with blacks and hard-put whites both dominated by white elites who manipulated racial tensions in order to retain power. At the height of slavery, in 1860, less than 5% of whites in the South owned slaves. The eminent black historian John Hope Franklin wrote that "fully three-fourths of the white people in the South had neither slaves nor an immediate economic interest in the maintenance of slavery."


Webb cites President Franklin Roosevelt's study of poverty and the region and notes, "Generations of such deficiencies do not disappear overnight, and they affect the momentum of a culture." How true. The gaping hole in Webb's argument, however, is that, as Ira Katznelson has written, the entire force of the American state spent decades helping the white people of the region to the exclusion of African Americans, at the behest of their representatives in the Democratic Party. The Social Security Act's three major provisions were constructed to deliberately exclude blacks, and previous programs with federal money aimed at the relief of poverty also gave discretion to the states for how to spend them precisely so Southern states could make sure they weren't being spent on black people. The National Labor Relations Act was constructed to exclude blacks, the GI Bill gave fewer benefits to black soldiers than to white soldiers, and the Federal Housing Authority's discrimination helped build the modern wealth gap between blacks and whites. These efforts "treated whites as a fungible monolith," to borrow Webb's own language, and in concert with other economic factors, helped speed the integration of white ethnics while maintaining a caste-system based on skin color. As if it isn't also obvious, the price for maintaining a system of apartheid in the South was diminishing the potential economic impact of these programs by excluding a large part of the region's residents.

I'm not uncomfortable with the government using its power to help poor people of any color, or people who are discriminated against. But to write about the poverty of the South without acknowledging the decades of massive government effort geared exclusively toward aiding white people is rather astonishing. More astonishing, perhaps, is that Webb, like all affirmative-action opponents, seems to forget the rather large number of white people helped by affirmative action. Webb notes that Johnson's "initial program for affirmative action" was grounded in the 13th Amendment. Sure. But arguing that Johnson meant for affirmative action simply to address the unique history of discrimination faced by African Americans is incorrect. It was Johnson, after all, who included "creed" and "national origin," along with "race" and "color," and in 1967 expanded his original executive order to include women. It's one thing for Republicans, who oppose government efforts to help the disadvantaged on ideological principle, to focus on race in arguments about affirmative action (or FinReg, or Health Care, etc.) because they think that this is the quickest way to get white people angry. But it's surprising to hear from a Democrat, especially one so clearly concerned with the stark racial injustices of the U.S. prison system.

Johnson's decision hints at affirmative action's real purpose, one that has been muddied by the legal arguments that have been necessary to keep it alive. The purpose is not merely the "compelling state interest in diversity," it is to help correct the societal biases, conscious and unconscious, that continue to curtail opportunity for certain groups of Americans. The fact that affirmative action, which is a relatively mild form of government action compared to the Democratic Party's deliberate creation of a modern whites-only welfare state, arouses so much anger is evidence of how powerful such biases continue to be.

In general, the argument over affirmative action is broad and non-specific, and we don't discuss whether we mean college admissions, employment, or allocation of government contracts. I'm comfortable with moving to a more class-based system of affirmative action in college admissions, and I think a more aggressive class-based system might actually work better at creating diversity. But the fact remains that no one knows a white person is an Irish Protestant or a Baptist when they walk into a job interview. They do know when someone is black, and they know when someone is a woman, and we all know that still matters.

Finally, Pat Buchanan did not get into trouble merely for "pointing out that if Elena Kagan is confirmed to the Supreme Court, there will not be a single Protestant Justice." That remark was received in the context of Buchanan being someone whose definition of whiteness excludes white Jews and whose definition of Americanness excludes anyone who is not white. He believes any social advancement for people of color or non-Christians is necessarily to the detriment of white Americans, who are the people to whom America truly belongs. That perhaps, explains why Buchanan didn't resign from the Reagan administration in protest when Justice Antonin Scalia was picked because Reagan thought, "We don't have an Italian American on the court, so we ought to have one." After all, if there's any lesson from history in all this, it's that certain forms of affirmative action aren't very controversial.

Posted by Adam Serwer on July 26, 2010 12:15 PM


http://www.prospect.org/csnc/blogs/adam_serwer_archive?month=07&year=2010&base_name=so_there_are_a_number



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asdjrocky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-27-10 09:05 PM
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1. If you are born black,
And I am born white, I have an automatic leg up on you.

If I keep my hair short, as a white man, go easy on the tattoos, and keep my car clean, cops will almost always treat me better than a black man.

I think Webb is an idiot.
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TheDebbieDee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-27-10 10:10 PM
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5. Also, if you keep your piercings in places that are covered
by your clothing, you will appear completely "vanilla".
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dkf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-27-10 11:34 PM
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6. Is that your best assessment of who is fair and best at judging people? A policeman?
I gotta laugh at that one.
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asdjrocky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-28-10 11:59 AM
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17. Not sure what you mean, or why you are laughing.
My point is, cops don't pull people over for DWW, it's DWB.

That was my point. Until this changes, we are no where near a "post racial society".
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RainDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-27-10 09:06 PM
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2. great response to Webb's op-ed
really puts a lot of the history of Webb's claims in context.

thanks for another great link.
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MisterP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-27-10 09:10 PM
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3. I'm not that surprised: "Rules of Engagement" isn't that far from "Der ewige Jude" nt
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alp227 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-27-10 09:38 PM
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4. K&R
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Number23 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-28-10 01:05 AM
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7. Great read. K&R
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-28-10 10:15 AM
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8. Excellent. n/t
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CBR Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-28-10 10:17 AM
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9. K&R nt
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Brewman_Jax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-28-10 10:29 AM
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10. K&R
:kick:
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-28-10 10:31 AM
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11. Recommended.
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Spazito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-28-10 10:39 AM
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12. Excellent read!
Thanks for posting this, it is much appreciated.

Recommended.
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Raineyb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-28-10 10:40 AM
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13. Excellent read! n/t
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Lance_Boyle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-28-10 10:41 AM
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14. This is a fact?
"the fact that a white man with a prison record has an easier time than a black person without one"

I think maybe that word doesn't mean what the author thinks it means. Which doesn't provide much encouragement to read the rest of the screed.


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Orsino Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-28-10 10:44 AM
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15. Shit that dumb calls into question the entire op-ed...
...and Webb's alleged commitment to the Democratic Party.

To Webb, it seems, the chief triumph of the civil rights movement is that Webb himself is kept from seeing enough inequity to make him uncomfortable.
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slackmaster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-28-10 10:47 AM
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16. 52 years old and still waiting for my share of this supposed "privilege"
:argh:
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asdjrocky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-28-10 12:02 PM
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18. You've gotten it all your life and you don't even realize it.
Renting an apartment, getting a job, applying for a loan, getting pulled over by the police.

It's so ingrained in you that you don't even realize the edge the color of your skin gives you. I don't blame you, people of privilege, no matter how small or large that privilege is, rarely are self aware enough to know they are already starting on first base.
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Lilyeye Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-29-10 12:45 PM
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19. Good read
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DevonRex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-29-10 06:20 PM
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20. Perfect response to Webb. Thank you. K&R. nt
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