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ensho Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-26-10 11:15 AM
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The World’s Oldest Stash: Scientists Find 2,700-Year-Old Pot

http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/discoblog/2008/12/08/the-world%E2%80%99s-oldest-stash-scientists-find-2700-year-old-pot/


Scientists have discovered two pounds of a dried plant that turned out to be the oldest marijuana in the world. Inside one of the Yanghai Tombs excavated in the Gobi Desert, a team of researchers found the cannabis packed into a wooden bowl resting inside a 2,700-year-old grave. It was placed near the head of a blue-eyed, 45-year-old shaman among other objects like bridles and a harp to be used in afterlife.

At first, the researchers thought the dried weed was coriander. Then they spent 10 months getting the cannabis from the tomb in China to a secret lab in England. Finally, the team put the stash through “microscopic botanical analysis” including carbon dating and genetic analysis, and discovered the stash was really pot.


The fact that the weed had a chemical known for psychoactive properties called tetrahydrocannabinolic acid synthase, or THC, led scientists to believe the man and his community probably used it for medicinal and recreational purposes. According to professor Ethan Russo of the Chinese Academy of Sciences Institute of Botany, someone had picked out all the parts of the plant that are less psychoactive before placing it in the grave, therefore the dead man probably didn’t grow his hemp merely to make clothes.

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so there you have it
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derby378 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-26-10 11:23 AM
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1. Also found: 2,700-year-old clay tablet titled REEFER MADNESS
Scrawled on the back: "Is this funny shit or what?" :rofl:
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KansDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-26-10 12:21 PM
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21. Right next to a 2,700-year-old pizza box
"Supreme" (including anchovies)
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WingDinger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-26-10 11:23 AM
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2. What a BOGART. Or, maybe he died waiting for it to cure perfectly.
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MineralMan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-26-10 11:24 AM
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3. Not mentioned in the article:
Edited on Mon Jul-26-10 11:26 AM by MineralMan
Researchers further tested the stash by rolling a humongous spliff for testing. After their tests, they pronounced it to be "Righteous shit, dude!"
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tridim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-26-10 11:24 AM
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4. Dig him up, arrest his corpse and throw him in prison.
Probably what the DEA is thinking while reading this.
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salinen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-26-10 11:25 AM
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5. Sounds fishy
How'd they know he had blue eyes? Maybe red after smoking the kind. I know, I should read the article. Also, I know a great way of testing for marijuana.
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Contrary1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-26-10 12:34 PM
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23. Answer to your question found on the comments page:
Edited on Mon Jul-26-10 12:34 PM by Contrary1
6. Andy Says:
January 2nd, 2009 at 3:34 pm
They did a DNA check on the guy and it turned out he was Caucasian…and had the markers for blue eyes. If I remember correctly, he was also a redhead.

7. Eric Says:
January 6th, 2009 at 12:53 pm
Can the DNA check whether he was a Dead fan?

:rofl:
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AnArmyVeteran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-26-10 11:25 AM
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6. Did they find it in baggies? :)
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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-26-10 11:37 AM
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7. Herodotus wrote about the Scythians using pot about
Edited on Mon Jul-26-10 11:40 AM by Cleita
that era. Since they were a nomadic tribe that inhabited the Eurasian Steppes, it seems this discovery attests to the use of Marijuana throughout Asia. I believe those caucasian mummies found in China were probably related to those tribes.

http://www.mmj-guide.com/Medical-Marijuana-History.html

Medical Marijuana History 450 B.C. - Greece

Herodotus Writes Of The Scythians Becoming Drunk From Burning Hemp Seeds

Herodotus, a Greek historian who lived in the fifth century B.C., described a conquering people known as the Scythians who burnt and inhaled the smoke of marijuana seeds as a part of a chief's burial ceremony. The Scythians, upon the death of a King, would erect small tents, crawl inside and throw hemp seeds on top of red hot rocks. Then they "howled for joy" after inhaling the vapors.


Link also presents history of the use of cannabis in the ancient world.
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RainDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-26-10 11:43 AM
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10. he was a celt
a newspaper in GB had an article about this migration shortly after this grave was found.
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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-26-10 12:38 PM
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24. Yes he was and Celts are related to that older culture going
back to the Bronze Age and before, known as Indo-Aryans and Indo-Europeans.
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WinkyDink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-26-10 11:41 AM
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8. I believe the operative word here is "shaman."
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RainDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-26-10 11:42 AM
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9. It took them 10 months to get this to a lab because of idiocy about drug laws
The sample was tested by a guy who tests the relative values of various cannabinoids in cannabis for medical use today.

The sample still had trichomes that are indicative of cannabis that is used/grown for its psychoactive properties - there is a long, long history of the association of cannabis and spirituality and religious practice. Wine and ergot (from which LSD is synthesized) were part of the Greek and Roman (and therefore Christian tradition) while cannabis was identified with eastern and pagan spirituality.

It's interesting that the Celts migrated to the east as well as the west - and this shaman was one of them.
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ensho Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-26-10 11:43 AM
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11. interesting, thanks
nt
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sellitman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-26-10 11:56 AM
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12. i'd be more impressed if they found 2700 year old Pot Brownies
:evilgrin:
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eShirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-26-10 11:58 AM
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13. saw this story a few years ago
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kestrel91316 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-26-10 12:01 PM
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14. They pulled out the stems and seeds before putting it in his grave?
Those are true friends.
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snooper2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-26-10 12:05 PM
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15. Suprised it wasn't found in the World's oldest
sandwich baggie :rofl:
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vanbean Donating Member (957 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-26-10 12:05 PM
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16. Talk about nailing the lid on the coffin. This time the lid was in the coffin.
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Bonobo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-26-10 12:07 PM
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17. "Lid"!
Boy, you showed your age with that one!
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vanbean Donating Member (957 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-26-10 02:32 PM
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35. Well, I guess you showed yours too. LOL!
Brings back memories, eh?
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Mojorabbit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-26-10 01:03 PM
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28. I haven't heard that term in decades! :) nt
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alfredo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-26-10 12:12 PM
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18. Weed and music, a nice combination.
Also found: corn chips, salsa, and silly string.
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dtexdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-26-10 12:17 PM
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19. See, this proves how dangerous pot is: all those users are dead!
;-)

(In honor of 'Reefer Madness.')
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asdjrocky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-26-10 12:20 PM
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20. Too bad it wasn't hash.
Much longer shelf life.
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Catshrink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-26-10 12:22 PM
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22. I swear the author of Revelations was on LSD
Edited on Mon Jul-26-10 12:22 PM by Catshrink
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Warren DeMontague Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-26-10 02:45 PM
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36. Mushrooms. Actually, there's some historical evidence for it. nt
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sarge43 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-26-10 12:43 PM
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25. Has to be an ancestor of the Fabulous Furry Freak Brothers. n/t
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hvn_nbr_2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-26-10 12:54 PM
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26. How can that be the oldest pot?
The "iceman" that they found in the Alps a few years ago was 5000 years old, and he had cannabis in his pouch. According to my third grade arithmetic teacher, 5000 years old is older than 2700 years old. Or am I misunderrememberating the 5000 years old part?
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Wednesdays Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-26-10 02:00 PM
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33. I thought Iceman was about 2000 years old
:shrug:
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hvn_nbr_2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-26-10 02:32 PM
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34. You made me look it up :)
Lack of confidence in my memory of that detail was why I included the disclaimer about possibly "misunderrememberating" it. But it turns out that my memory was pretty close.

It's 5300 years old. Google: iceman alps, to find lots of references.
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benld74 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-26-10 01:03 PM
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27. DUUUUUUUUUUUUDE!
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Winterblues Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-26-10 01:08 PM
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29. They have also found trace amounts of Cocain in some Egyptian mummies
The cocoa plant does not grow in Egypt. :shrug:
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Contrary1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-26-10 01:13 PM
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31. Well, that would certainly explain this:
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Solomon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-26-10 02:53 PM
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39. The Egyptians rode the currents to South America.
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Forkboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-26-10 01:10 PM
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30. Cool, I've been looking all over for that bag.
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slampoet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-26-10 01:15 PM
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32. Scientists report the pot as "Not as good as the stuff we get from Phil"
Edited on Mon Jul-26-10 01:21 PM by slampoet
Police have seized the stash giving it an estimated street value of $4.5 million dollars.
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Warren DeMontague Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-26-10 02:46 PM
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37. SEE!!! I TOLD YOU KIDS THAT STUFF WILL KILL YOU!!!!!
There you have it- he smoked pot, and now he's DEAD! Happy?
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Canuckistanian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-26-10 02:49 PM
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38. Maybe it was really the "Stoned Age"
:D
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