Oliver Stone says "the media" is dominated by Jews

[Archae]

The Sunday Times interviewer then asked why there was such a focus on the Holocaust.

“The Jewish domination of the media,” responded Stone.

:eyes:

[Skittles]

1. link?

[dipsydoodle]

4. Times online is subscription only

Haaretz link may well be similar :

Jewish control of the media is preventing an open discussion of the Holocaust, prominent Hollywood director Oliver Stone told the Sunday Times, adding that the U.S. Jewish lobby was controlling Washington's foreign policy for years. http://www.haaretz.com/jewish-world/oliver-stone-jewish-control-of-the-media-is-preventing-free-holocaust-debate-1.304108?localLinksEnabled=false

[dipsydoodle]

2. Does this allude

to the fact that apparently Rupert Murdoch's mother is Jewish ?

[dipsydoodle]

139. Please ignor that comment

which in all probability is a fairy tale.

[Skip Intro]

3. Maybe it is? nt

[murdoch]

5. Stone *is* Jewish

Where is the full discussion between Stone and the interviewer? Where is it? It's nowhere? I have to pay to see it? What has Stone said in response to this, does he feel the interviewer quoted him accurately?

I give Stone 100% benefit of the doubt about this until they come up with more about it.

And as I said in my title, Stone *is* Jewish.

[Mosby]

62. Stone is not jewish - he was raised episcopalian and is now a Buddhist

[MajorChode]

104. He's at least half-Jewish

His dad was Jewish, which is not a religion, BTW, although Judaism is strongly related to Jews.

[Mosby]

124. Using your logic Obama is half Muslim

Look judaism is a lot of things but it's not a race. Some people do identify with cultural aspects of the religion and may even consider themselves "cultural" jews but I don't see any indication that stone falls into that group.

[ruggerson]

126. lol - only on DU n/t

[MajorChode]

129. Only by using your strawman "logic"

Judaism =/ Jewish. If you think those two things are equal, you should better educate yourself before you go making false assumptions regarding someone else's "logic". Furthermore I never claimed "judaism(sic)" was a "race". Many people identify themselves as Jewish, yet are an atheist, agnostic, or some other religion than Judaism. So simply because someone doesn't subscribe to Judaism, doesn't mean they are or aren't a Jew. In fact, Oliver Stone's father considers himself an atheist and a Jew.

Cheers!

[Mosby]

144. You have a very odd idea of what "jewish" is

A Jew can be atheist or agnostic but that is a completely different discussion. Your notion that a "jewish" person can be "some other religion" is just dumb and not supported by the major jewish denominations (Conservative, Reconsructionist, Reform and Renewal) except Orthodox. The Orthodox view Judaism in such a way that includes racial elements.

Have a nice day.

[MajorChode]

147. I use the dictionary, YMMV

Jew
   /dʒu/ Show Spelled Show IPA
–noun
1. one of a scattered group of people that traces its descent from the Biblical Hebrews or from postexilic adherents of Judaism; Israelite.(emphasis added)
2. a person whose religion is Judaism.
3. a subject of the ancient kingdom of Judah.

Now if you want to pull some other definition from somewhere else (including your ass), that's fine by me, but you might want to be just a bit more sure about what you are talking about before you go calling someone else "dumb" as you make a complete idiot out of yourself. Just a suggestion. And no, I'm not going to argue about the dictionary definition, but if you want to continue to go down the road of ignorance and absurdity, more power to you. I'm just not going down that rabbit hole with you.

Cheers!

[Mosby]

148. Did you forget to include the link?

This is what I found when I googled "jew"

Jew (j)
n.
1. An adherent of Judaism as a religion or culture.
2. A member of the widely dispersed people originally descended from the ancient Hebrews and sharing an ethnic heritage based on Judaism.
3. A native or inhabitant of the ancient kingdom of Judah.

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/Jew


Edit: I did not say you were dumb, I said your assertion was. Hopefully we can agree that "who is a jew" is a complex subject that we are not going to solve today or any day on a message board.

[MajorChode]

149. Your definition says the same thing

So why you think you're bringing any new information to the table is anyone's guess.

You want links? No problemo.
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/jew

Here's what Webster's has to say:

Main Entry: Jew
Pronunciation: \ˈjü\
Function: noun
Etymology: Middle English, from Anglo-French ju, jeu, from Latin Judaeus, from Greek Ioudaios, from Hebrew Yĕhūdhī, from Yĕhūdhāh Judah, Jewish kingdom
Date: 13th century

1 a : a member of the tribe of Judah b : israelite
2 : a member of a nation existing in Palestine from the sixth century b.c. to the first century a.d.
3 : a person belonging to a continuation through descent or conversion of the ancient Jewish people
4 : one whose religion is Judaism

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/jew

Here's another:

Jew (jo̵̅o̅)

noun

1. a person descended, or regarded as descended, from the ancient Hebrews of Biblical times
2. a person whose religion is Judaism

http://www.yourdictionary.com/jew


The culture of Jews is based on Judaism. I never claimed otherwise. If someone wants to claim they are a Jew because they subscribe to Judaism, they most certainly can. I never claimed otherwise. Your claim is that someone who is descended from Jews who subscribes to some other religion can't possibly be a Jew, and that assertion is NOT supported by any widely accepted definition.

So there you are. Three different sources (including the one you provided) all support the use of the word Jew in exactly the manner I used it. If you are going to call someone else dumb, or their assertion dumb or whatever the fuck else you are trying to claim, you should either be prepared to support that statement or retract it. As yet you have chosen a 3rd option which is to continue your absurdity, which speaks volumes about your character, or rather lack thereof.

Cheers!

[Mosby]

151. Whatever dude.

I'm not going to go around in circles with you because your unable to admit your wrong.

[MajorChode]

152. You funny

I'm supposed to admit I'm wrong for using a word consistent with Webster's and numerous other dictionaries. Why? Cuz you say so!

Fucking brilliant!

Jebus H. Christmas, I really didn't expect you to back off after you stepped on your dick, but now you've managed to peg the absurdity meter.

Have a nice day!

[BurtWorm]

143. Jewishness is an ethnicity.

You really don't know this?

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[sufrommich]

8. I'm sure you have proof of that? Preferably a non- stormfront

link.

[Bonobo]

9. It is a pretty well-know part of history.

Many jobs were difficult for Jews to get into as a result of racism against them. Entertainment was one of the fields that WAS open to them because it was considered sort of low class/low brow.

So Jews have been leaders in many fields like banking, entertainment and even sports back in the days.

I have been in the videogame business for 20 years and I can tell you that Jews are very much in positions of leadership out of proportion to their numbers in the general population.

Take a look at the history of Marcus Loew or Louis Mayer as just one of many examples:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marcus_Loew

Marcus Loew (May 7, 1870–September 5, 1927) was an American business magnate and a pioneer of the motion picture industry who formed Loews Theatres and Metro-Goldwyn-Mayer (MGM).

Born into a poor Jewish family in New York City, he was forced by circumstances to work at a very young age and thus had little formal education. Nevertheless, beginning with a small investment from money saved from menial jobs, he bought into the penny arcade business. Shortly after, in partnership with Adolph Zukor and others, Loew acquired a nickelodeon and over time he turned Loew's Theatres into the most prestigious chain of movie theaters in the United States.

By 1905, Marcus Loew was on his own and his success eventually necessitated that he secure a steady flow of product for his theaters. In 1904, he founded the People's Vaudeville Company, a theatre chain which showcased one-reeler films as well as live variety shows. In 1910, the company had considerably expanded and got the name Loew's Consolidated Enterprises. His associates included Adolph Zukor, Joseph Schenck, and Nicholas Schenck. In 1919, Loew reorganized the company under the name Loew's, Inc. In the early 1920s, Loew purchased Metro Pictures Corporation. A few years later, he acquired a controlling interest in the financially troubled Goldwyn Picture Corporation which at that point was controlled by theater impresario Lee Shubert. Goldwyn Pictures owned the "Leo the Lion" trademark which at the time was inconsequential to the importance of its studio property in Culver City, California. Without Samuel Goldwyn, the Goldwyn studio lacked capable management. With Loew's assistant Nicholas Schenck needed in New York City to help manage the large East Coast movie theater operations, Loew had to find a qualified executive to take charge of this new Los Angeles entity.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Louis_B._Mayer

Early life

Born Lazar Meir to a Jewish family in Minsk, today the capital of Belarus<1>, then part of the Russian Empire, capital of the Minsk Province (Minskaja Guberniya). His actual birthdate is unknown; a patriotic Mayer chose July 4 when he became an American citizen, to honor his adopted country. Mayer emigrated with his family to Saint John, New Brunswick, Canada when he was still very young, and Mayer attended school there. His father started a scrap metal business, J. Mayer & Son. His parents, Sarah and Jacob Mayer, had five children: Yetta, Ida, Louis, Jerry and Rudolph. In 1904, the 19-year-old Mayer left Saint John for Boston, where he continued for a time in the scrap metal business, married, and took a variety of odd jobs to support his family when his junk business lagged.

[geek tragedy]

76. So, who owns GE, CBS, ABS/Disney, FOX, Comcast, Time-Warner,

Cablevision, Apple, Viacom--all part of the Jewish conspiracy?

[Cassandra]

11. Who other than the NYTimes?

And what has been said about the Holocaust lately? Not much.

[Bonobo]

12. Here is a good book on the subject by Neal Gabler.

An Empire of Their Own: How the Jews Invented Hollywood
Neal Gabler (Author)

http://www.amazon.com/Empire-Their-Own-Invented-Hollywood/dp/0385265573/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1280146148&sr=8-1

Neal Gabler explores the fascinating question of how Hollywood was created primarily by a remarkable group of men who fit into a remarkably small demographic: European Jewish immigrants, most of them poor, most of them from Manhattan's lower east side, none of them practicing Jews, most of them from families with weak father figures. But together they moved to an almost completely protestant city and created the most successful form of popular entertainment in America, presenting an idealized version of American life for a nation in a constant for new national myths. The most fascinating thing about the book is the gap between the mythical world that they were presenting and their own backgrounds. For Louis B. Mayer, Andy Hardy's America was for him the real America, an America where there were strong nuclear families headed by strong fathers, doting neo-Victorian mothers, and obedient, respectful children. Economically most people were Middle Class, the tenor distinctively Middle American, and almost always Christian. Gabler argues that for most of these men, what they provided was not America as it existed, but the America that they wanted to be a part of.

Almost all of the major studios were founded by men who more or less fit Gabler's description. There are a number of major and minor characters in Gabler's story, the most prominent being Adolph Zukor, who was instrumental in creating Paramount; Carl Laemmle, founder of Universal; William Fox of Fox Pictures, which later merged with Twentieth Century; Louis B. Mayer, who built MGM into Hollywood's largest studio; Harry and Jack Warner of Warner Brothers; and the belligerent Harry Cohn of Columbia. There are in addition a number of crucial supporting characters, none more important than the legendary Irving Thalberg (I knew very slightly Thalberg's son, also Irving, an academic philosopher who spent his career in Chicago and who quietly funded liberal political causes--he paid for the Chicago Seven's legal bills at their trial--while quietly pursuing his university career), the inspiration for F. Scott Fitzgerald's last novel THE LAST TYCOON. We also meet the Schenck brothers, Nicholas and Joseph, the Rabbi of Hollywood Edgar F. Magnin, theater chain owner Marcus Loew, and an uncountable number of smaller figures.

One of the most striking aspects of the biography is how utterly these men suppressed their Jewish backgrounds in their films. Although THE JAZZ SINGER is the story of the son of a Jewish son rejecting the culture of his cantor father (Gabler points out that the son's story was also the story of the moguls), the vast majority of movies produced by Hollywood in the twenties, thirties, and forties contained no identifiably Jewish characters. Although an astonishing number of the people producing the movies were Jewish, it was as if they felt compelled to completely erase Jews from their idealization of American life. The was more than mere assimilationist aspirations; it was as if they were trying to expunge the weak fathers of their youths, the poverty they knew growing up, and become a part of a nation that largely rejected them. For two or three decades, at least, they could maintain this myth, but in the forties and the HUAC committee of the U.S. House of Representatives they found their fiefdom increasingly under attack for the industry's supposed inculcation of un-American (i.e., Communist) values. Many of their attackers persisted in the fascist depiction of Communism as an essentially Jewish cast of thought (in Hitler's writings there is no clear distinction between Jews and Communists, and at least one part of his motivation in attacking Russia was to attack what he weirdly considered a Jewish nation).

This is not a perfect book. For one thing, the scope is simply too large for any one book to undertake. And inevitably there are either serious omissions or details that don't quite tell the whole story. For instance, Gabler attempts to characterize the more plebian tendencies at Warner's by mentioning that one of their stars was Rin Tin Tin, which seems to hint at how far down the ladder they were in the Hollywood pecking order, but failing to note that for most of his life Rin Tin Tin was the number one box office star in Hollywood. Also, there is amazingly little discussion of the many Jewish performers in Hollywood. Some are mentioned in passing (such as Groucho Marx, noting his famous reply to the attempt by the Jewish country club Hillcrest to recruit new members following the stock market crash, that he wouldn't want to be a member of a club that would accept someone like him as a member), and Edward G. Robinson gets a few mentions, but for the most part actors are ignored. This is overwhelmingly a book about the top brass. And one can take issue with some minor depictions, such as the long discussion of the nature of Universal in the thirties, but no mention of the man who is most responsible for the visual look of those films and the director of all their major achievements, James Whale. The implication is that the distinctive look of Universal films was not determined by the former art director Whale. But this is all nitpicking.

[SoCalDem]

29. The influx of Eastern European immigrants (many of them Jewish)

happened to coincide with the beginnings of the motion picture industry. It also started in the cities where many immigrants happened to be clustered. It's no accident that a bunch of educated, poor & like-minded people would band together to create jobs for themselves where none were otherwise available.

PBS has run a very good documentary many times about how the Jewish immigrants who were innovative movie pioneers created many of the myths we have come to believe as Americans. These were people who were hyper-patriots of their newly-found home-country. They were eager to jettison the lives they left behind in "old" europe, and they readily embraced America..Many of their films were little more than love-stories about how wonderful America was, and those films represented what THEY saw as America's future, and their own hopes of how they would fit in and live their own American Dream.. They were the dream merchants, and we all have been "buying" it for a century.

Since movie-making & its industries are often dynastic, it's no surprise that when these pioneers rose through the ranks of the companies they basically created, that they would usher in handsome futures for their progeny.

Like many immigrants, they chose to NOT emphasize their own cultures too much, lest they "turn off" the mass audience they hoped to profit from. In their own enclaves like "the Borscht Belt", the entertainment business was more stylistic to their own culture, but in the mass market, they deliberately chose to broaden the field. ...and even shied away from movies that would have been perceived as "Jewish".. "A Gentleman's Agreement" was considered shocking & groundbreaking when it came out because it did tackle anti-Semitism, but it was made AFTER a lot of time in the business for many Jewish people, and at a time in history when they probably felt that the time was right to discuss it.

Many famous actors who were Jewish took on very "American" names & never discussed their Jewish upbringing...not because they were ashamed, but because it was common to change the names of actors, as well as the fact that the younger actors knew that their futures were not in Yiddish theatre, but in mainstream movies, and they wanted to be thought of as American through and through.

[Subdivisions]

41. I believe you are correct. But it's easy enough to research and confirm for

anyone who wants to make such an endeavour. I remember reading somewhere (not a racist venue) an article about the history of Jews in the media. It was actually quite an interesting story. Wish I could find it again for this thread. If I do, I'll post it.

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[Bonobo]

118. You are calling me a Neo-Nazi?

[Warren Stupidity]

7. 99 on the bullshit meter

[Bonobo]

10. Actually it isn't. nt

[Solomon]

13. Why do people regard this as a condemning factor?

Denying it is like saying african-americans don't participate in sports at higher percentages.

[Bonobo]

14. I'm proud of it, along with Jewish nobel prize winners.

http://www.jinfo.org/Nobel_Prizes.html

At least 180 Jews and persons of half- or three-quarters-Jewish ancestry have been awarded the Nobel Prize,1 accounting for 22% of all individual recipients worldwide between 1901 and 2009, and constituting 36% of all US recipients2 during the same period. In the research fields of Chemistry, Economics, Physics, and Physiology/Medicine, the corresponding world and US percentages are 27% and 39%, respectively. Among women laureates in the four research fields, the Jewish percentages (world and US) are 38% and 50%, respectively.3 (Jews currently make up approximately 0.25% of the world's population and 2% of the US population.)
Chemistry (31 prize winners, 20% of world total, 28% of US total)
Economics (27 prize winners, 42% of world total, 56% of US total)
Literature (13 prize winners, 12% of world total, 27% of US total)
Peace (9 prize winners, 9% of world total, 10% of US total)4
Physics (47 prize winners, 25% of world total, 36% of US total)
Physiology or Medicine (53 prize winners, 27% of world total, 40% of US total)
See also data on "other Nobels":
Jewish Recipients of the Kyoto Prize (25% of recipients)
Jewish Recipients of the Wolf Foundation Prize (34% of recipients)
Jewish Recipients of the US National Medal of Science (38% of recipients)

[breadandwine]

92. Jews are 1/5th of 1% of the world's population but have won twenty percent of the Nobel Prizes.

As for Murdoch, his mother is NOT Jewish and that's an old Stormfront rumor, nothing more.

Stone is also not Jewish. His father is Jewish, not his mother. The Jewish heritage as a family legacy follows matrilineal descent. Only by Hitler's definition is Stone Jewish.

Stone fails to grasp that regardless of how many of each group Hitler killed, he used the Jewish scapegoat to do it. I knew a guy who lived in Europe at the time and used to hear Hitler on the radio ranting and raving (slight paraphrasing, he didn't have the exact quote but close), "For Lithuania I have 50,000 troops! For Latvia I have 75,000 troops! For Poland I have 100,000 troops! And EVERYWHERE WE GO THE JEWS WILL BE FINISHED!!!!!" All over Europe people of one national and ethnic group after another welcomed Hitler with screams of joy convinced that if they let him in he would get rid of the Jews for them. And then when the fools collaborated and let him in, Hitler killed a lot of them too.

Stone has done some great things. This is not one of them. And he is doing a very good job of confirming that he is not Jewish.

[Ross K]

106. It's called "doing the math"

[Warren Stupidity]

21. actually I meant a one line out of context quote

from a paywalled interview.

[Bonobo]

22. I figured that out in retrospect.

Of that, I suspect you are 100% right.

[Bonobo]

15. Here's a great link showing other industries Jews excel in.

http://www.jinfo.org/

The purpose of this website is to provide an online resource that accurately describes the Jewish contribution to the cultural, scientific, and technological evolution of civilization. Although there are scores of websites currently on the Internet that purport to characterize the Jews and their impact on the world, nearly all of them are sponsored by groups whose ultimate objectives vis-à-vis the Jews range from defamation to outright elimination. Many of the classic works of the anti-Semitic canon, once confined to the fever swamps, have become widely available via these websites, a few of which actually display legal disclaimers concerning their potential for incitement to "unlawful or criminal acts." (The composer Arnold Schoenberg once asked in this connection: "What is anti-Semitism to lead to if not acts of violence? Is it so difficult to imagine that?")

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Songs by Jewish Composers:

http://www.jinfo.org/Songs.html

AC-CENT-TCHU-ATE THE POSITIVE, Harold Arlen (m)
ALEXANDER'S RAGTIME BAND, Irving Berlin (w&m)
ALDONZA, Joe Darion 10 (w) and Mitch Leigh 11 (m)
ALFIE, Hal David (w) and Burt Bacharach (m)
ALICE'S RESTAURANT, Arlo Guthrie 1 (w&m)
ALL BY MYSELF, Eric Carmen (w&m)
ALL OF ME, Seymour Simons and Gerald Marks (w&m)
ALL OR NOTHING AT ALL, Jack Lawrence and Arthur Altman (w&m)
ALL THE THINGS YOU ARE, Oscar Hammerstein II 2 (w) and Jerome Kern (m)
ALMOST LIKE BEING IN LOVE, Alan Jay Lerner (w) and Frederick Loewe 3 (m)
ALWAYS <1>, <2>, Irving Berlin (w&m)
AMERICA, Neil Diamond (w&m)
AMERICA, Paul Simon (w&m)
AMIGOS PARA SIEMPRE (Friends for Life), Don Black (w)
AN AMERICAN IN PARIS, George Gershwin (m)
AND THE ANGELS SING, Ziggy Elman (m)
ANTICIPATION, Carly Simon 4 (w&m)
ANYTHING YOU CAN DO, Irving Berlin (w&m)
ANYWHERE I WANDER, Frank Loesser (w&m)
APPALACHIAN SPRING, Aaron Copland (m)
APPLAUSE, Lee Adams (w) and Charles Strouse (m)
THE APRIL FOOLS, Hal David (w) and Burt Bacharach (m)
APRIL IN PARIS, E. Y. Harburg (w)
APRIL LOVE, Paul Francis Webster (w) and Sammy Fain (m)
ARE YOU LONESOME TONIGHT?, Roy Turk and Lou Handman (w&m)
AROUND THE WORLD, Victor Young (m)
ARTHUR'S THEME, Carole Bayer Sager/Burt Bacharach (w&m)
AS LONG AS HE NEEDS ME, Lionel Bart (w&m)
AT SEVENTEEN, Janis Ian (w&m)
AUTUMN LEAVES, Joseph Kosma 6 (m)
BABY, IT'S COLD OUTSIDE, Frank Loesser (w&m)
BABY, THE RAIN MUST FALL, Elmer Bernstein (m)
BALI HA'I, Oscar Hammerstein II 2 (w) and Richard Rodgers (m)
THE BALLAD OF GILLIGAN'S ISLAND, Sherwood Schwartz/George Wyle 7 (w&m)
BEAUTY AND THE BEAST, Howard Ashman and Alan Menken (w&m)
BEFORE THE PARADE PASSES BY, Jerry Herman (w&m)
BEI MIR BIST DU SCHÖN, Sammy Cahn/Saul Chaplin (w) and Sholom Secunda (m)
BEING ALIVE <1>, <2>, <3>, Stephen Sondheim (w&m)
BESS, YOU IS MY WOMAN, Ira Gershwin (w) and George Gershwin (m)
BEWITCHED <1>, <2>, <3>, <4>, <5>, Lorenz Hart (w) and Richard Rodgers (m)
BEYOND THE SEA, Jack Lawrence (w)
BLOWIN' IN THE WIND, Bob Dylan (w&m)
BLUE HAWAII, Leo Robin and Ralph Rainger (w&m)
BLUE MOON, Lorenz Hart (w) and Richard Rodgers (m)
BLUE SKIES, Irving Berlin (w&m)
BODY AND SOUL, Johnny Green/Edward Heyman (w&m)
BONANZA!, Jay Livingston and Ray Evans (w&m)
BORN FREE, Don Black 8 (w)
THE BOXER, Paul Simon (w&m)
BREAKING UP IS HARD TO DO, Howard Greenfield/Neil Sedaka (w&m)
BRIAN'S SONG, Alan and Marilyn Bergman (w)
BRIDGE OVER TROUBLED WATER, Paul Simon (w&m)
BRING HIM HOME <1>, <2>, Herbert Kretzmer (w) and Claude-Michel Schönberg 8 (m)
BROTHER, CAN YOU SPARE A DIME? E. Y. Harburg (w) and Jay Gorney (m)
BUT NOT FOR ME, Ira Gershwin (w) and George Gershwin (m)
CABARET, Fred Ebb (w) and John Kander (m)
CALENDAR GIRL, Howard Greenfield and Neil Sedaka (w&m)
CALL ME IRRESPONSIBLE, Sammy Cahn (w)
CAMELOT, Alan Jay Lerner (w) and Frederick Loewe 3 (m)
CAN CAN, Jacques Offenbach (m)
CAN'T HELP LOVIN' DAT MAN <1>, <2>, Oscar Hammerstein II 2 (w) and Jerome Kern (m)
CARNIVAL (LOVE MAKES THE WORLD GO 'ROUND), Bob Merrill (w&m)
CAVATINA (SHE WAS BEAUTIFUL) Stanley Myers (m)
CHANGE PARTNERS, Irving Berlin (w&m)
CHEEK TO CHEEK, Irving Berlin (w&m)
CHIM CHIM CHER-EE, Richard Sherman and Robert Sherman (w&m)
THE CHRISTMAS SONG, (CHESTNUTS ROASTING ON AN OPEN FIRE), Mel Torme and Robert Wells (w&m)
THE CITY OF NEW ORLEANS, Steve Goodman 18 (w&m)
CLIMB EV'RY MOUNTAIN, Oscar Hammerstein II 2 (w) and Richard Rodgers (m)
CLOSE AS PAGES IN A BOOK, Dorothy Fields (w) and Sigmund Romberg (m)
CLOSE TO YOU, Hal David (w) and Burt Bacharach (m)
CLOSER TO YOU, Jakob Dylan (w&m)
THE COLORS OF MY LIFE, Michael Stewart (w) and Cy Coleman (m)
COLORS OF THE WIND <1>, <2>, Stephen Schwartz (w) and Alan Menken (m)
COME IN FROM THE RAIN, Melissa Manchester/Carole Bayer Sager (w&m)
COME RAIN OR COME SHINE, Harold Arlen (m)
COME TO ME, BEND TO ME, Alan Jay Lerner (w) and Frederick Loewe 3 (m)
COMES ONCE IN A LIFETIME, Betty Comden/Adolph Green (w) and Jule Styne (m)
CONSIDER YOURSELF, Lionel Bart (w&m)
COPACABANA, Barry Manilow, Bruce Sussman, and Jack Feldman (w&m)
COUNT YOUR BLESSINGS INSTEAD OF SHEEP, Irving Berlin (w&m)
CRAZY RHYTHM, Irving Caesar (w) and Joseph Meyer/Roger Kahn (m)
CRYING IN THE RAIN, Howard Greenfield and Carole King (w&m)
DANCE ME TO END OF LOVE, Leonard Cohen (w&m)
DANCING IN THE DARK, Howard Dietz (w) and Arthur Schwartz (m)
DAY BY DAY, Stephen Schwartz (m)
DAYBREAK, Barry Manilow (w&m)
DEEP PURPLE, Mitchell Parish (w)
DIAMONDS ARE A GIRL'S BEST FRIEND, Leo Robin (w) and Jule Styne (m)
DIAMONDS ARE FOREVER, Don Black 8 (w&m)
DIFFERENT WORLDS, Norman Gimbel (w) and Charles Fox (m)
DO I HEAR A WALTZ?, Stephen Sondheim (w) and Richard Rodgers (m)
DO YOU HEAR THE PEOPLE SING?, Alain Boublil 8/Herbert Kretzmer (w) and Claude-Michel Schönberg 8 (m)
DO YOU KNOW THE WAY TO SAN JOSE?, Hal David (w) and Burt Bacharach (m)
DO YOU KNOW WHERE YOU'RE GOING TO?, Gerry Goffin (w)
DO-RE-ME, Oscar Hammerstein II 2 (w) and Richard Rodgers (m)
DON'T KNOW MUCH, Barry Mann and Cynthia Weil (w&m)
DON'T RAIN ON MY PARADE, Bob Merrill (w) and Jule Styne (m)
A DREAM IS A WISH YOUR HEART MAKES, Mack David/Al Hoffman/Jerry Livingston (w&m)
DULCINEA, Joe Darion 10 (w) and Mitch Leigh 11 (m)
EASTER PARADE, Irving Berlin (w&m)
EDELWEISS, Oscar Hammerstein II 2 (w) and Richard Rodgers (m)
EMBRACEABLE YOU, Ira Gershwin (w) and George Gershwin (m)
EVEN NOW, Marty Panzer (w) and Barry Manilow (m)
EVE OF DESTRUCTION, Phil Sloan and Steve Barri 15 (w&m)
EVERGREEN, Barbara Streisand (m)
EVERYTHING'S COMING UP ROSES, Stephen Sondheim (w) and Jule Styne (m)
EXODUS <1>,<2>, <3>, Ernest Gold (m)
FALLING IN LOVE AGAIN, Sammy Lerner (w) and Frederick Hollander (m)
FALLING IN LOVE WITH LOVE, Lorenz Hart (w) and Richard Rodgers (m)
FAME, Michael Gore (m)
FANFARE FOR THE COMMON MAN <1>, <2>, Aaron Copland (m)
FAR FROM THE HOME I LOVE, Sheldon Harnick (w) and Jerry Bock (m)
FASCINATING RHYTHM, Ira Gershwin (w) and George Gershwin (m)
FEELING GOOD, Anthony Newley 22 (w&m)
59TH SREEET BRIDGE SONG (FEELIN' GROOVY), Paul Simon (w&m)
A FOGGY DAY, Ira Gershwin (w) and George Gershwin (m)
FOOLS RUSH IN, Rube Bloom (m)
FOR ALL WE KNOW, Fred Karlin (m)
FORTY-SECOND STREET, AL Dubin (w)
FROM A DISTANCE, Julie Gold (w&m)
FROM RUSSIA WITH LOVE, Lionel Bart (w&m)
GET HAPPY, Ted Koehler (w) and Harold Arlen (m)
GET ME TO THE CHURCH ON TIME, Alan Jay Lerner (w) and Frederick Loewe 3 (m)
GETTING TO KNOW YOU, Oscar Hammerstein II 2 (w) and Richard Rodgers (m)
GIGI, Alan Jay Lerner (w) and Frederick Loewe 3 (m)
THE GIRL THAT I MARRY, Irving Berlin (w&m)
GIRL, YOU'LL BE A WOMAN SOON, Neil Diamond (w&m)
GOD BLESS AMERICA, Irving Berlin (w&m)
GOD BLESS THE CHILD, Arthur Hertzog (w&m)
GOIN' OUT OF MY HEAD, Bobby Weinstein (w&m)
GOODNIGHT, MY LOVE, Mack Gordon (w) and Harry Revel (m)
GREATEST LOVE OF ALL, Linda Creed (w)
HALLELUJAH, Shimrit Orr (w) and Kobi Oshrat (m)
HAPPY DAYS ARE HERE AGAIN, Jack Yellen (w) and Milton Ager (m)
HAPPY HOLIDAY, Irving Berlin (w&m)
HAPPY TALK, Oscar Hammerstein II 2 (w) and Richard Rodgers (m)
HARK THE HERALD ANGELS SING, Felix Mendelssohn (m)
HAVA NAGILA, Abraham Idelsohn (w)
HEART AND SOUL, Frank Loesser (w)
A HEART FULL OF LOVE, Alain Boublil 8/Herbert Kretzmer (w) and Claude-Michel Schönberg 8 (m)
HEARTLIGHT, Carole Bayer Sager/Burt Bacharach/Neil Diamond (w&m)
HELLO, DOLLY!, Jerry Herman (w&m)
HELLO, YOUNG LOVERS, Oscar Hammerstein II 2 (w) and Richard Rodgers (m)
HERE YOU COME AGAIN, Barry Mann and Cynthia Weil (w&m)
HERNANDO'S HIDEAWAY, Richard Adler and Jerry Ross (w&m)
HE WAS BEAUTIFUL (CAVATINA), Stanley Myers (m)
HEY THERE, Richard Adler and Jerry Ross (w&m)
HEY, LOOK ME OVER, Carolyn Leigh (w) and Cy Coleman (m)
HI-LILI, HI-LO, Helen Deutsch (w) and Bronislau Kaper (m)
THE HIGH AND THE MIGHTY, Dmitri Tiomkin (m)
HIGH HOPES, Sammy Cahn (w)
HIGH NOON, Dmitri Tiomkin (m)
HOMEWARD BOUND, Paul Simon (w&m)
HOUND DOG, Jerry Leiber and Mike Stoller (w&m)
A HOUSE IS NOT A HOME, Hal David (w) and Burt Bacharach (m)
HOW AM I SUPPOSED TO LIVE WITHOUT YOU?, Michael Bolton (w&m)
HOW ARE THINGS IN GLOCCA MORRA?, E. Y. Harburg (w) and Burton Lane (m)
HOW DEEP IS THE OCEAN, Irving Berlin (w&m)
HOW DO YOU KEEP THE MUSIC PLAYING?, Alan Bergman/Marilyn Bergman (w)
THE HUNGRY YEARS, Neil Sedaka and Howard Greenfield (w&m)
I AM A ROCK, Paul Simon (w&m)
I AM...I SAID, Neil Diamond (w&m)
I AM WHAT I AM <1>, <2>, Jerry Herman (w&m)
I BELIEVE Ervin Drake/Al Stillman/Irvin Graham (w&m)
I BELIEVE IN YOU, Frank Loesser (w&m)
I CAN DREAM, CAN'T I?, Irving Kahal (w) and Sammy Fain (m)
I COULD HAVE DANCED ALL NIGHT <1>, <2>, Alan Jay Lerner (w) and Frederick Loewe 3 (m)
I COULD WRITE A BOOK, Lorenz Hart (w) and Richard Rodgers (m)
I DO NOT KNOW A DAY I DID NOT LOVE YOU, Martin Charnin (w) and Richard Rodgers (m)
I DREAMED A DREAM <1>, <2>, <3>, Alain Boublil 8/Herbert Kretzmer (w) and Claude-Michel Schönberg 8 (m)
I FEEL PRETTY, Stephen Sondheim (w) and Leonard Bernstein (m)
I GOT A NAME, Norman Gimbel (w) and Charles Fox (m)
I GOT PLENTY O' NUTTIN', Ira Gershwin (w) and George Gershwin (m)
I GOT RHYTHM, Ira Gershwin (w) and George Gershwin (m)
I GOT THE SUN IN THE MORNING, Irving Berlin (w&m)
I HAVE DREAMED, Oscar Hammerstein II 2 (w) and Richard Rodgers (m)
I LOVES YOU PORGY, Ira Gershwin (w) and George Gershwin (m)
I ONLY HAVE EYES FOR YOU, Al Dubin (w)
I SAY A LITTLE PRAYER, Hal David (w) and Burt Bacharach (m)
I SEE YOU, (from Avatar), James Horner (w&m)
I TALK TO THE TREES, Alan Jay Lerner (w) and Frederick Loewe 3 (m)
I THINK IT'S GOING TO RAIN TODAY, Randy Newman (w&m)
I WANNA BE LOVED BY YOU, Bert Kalmar (w) and Harry Ruby (m)
I WALK A LITTLE FASTER, Carolyn Leigh (w) and Cy Coleman (m)
I'LL BE HOME FOR CHRISTMAS, Walter Kent 19 and Samuel "Buck" Ram 16 (w&m)
I'LL BE SEEING YOU, Irving Kahal (w) and Sammy Fain (m)
I'LL BE WITH YOU IN APPLE BLOSSOM TIME, Albert Von Tilzer (m)
I'll KNOW, Frank Loesser (w&m)
I'M GONNA WASH THAT MAN RIGHT OUTA MY HAIR, Oscar Hammerstein II 2 (w) and Richard Rodgers (m)
I'M IN LOVE WITH A WONDERFUL GUY, Oscar Hammerstein II 2 (w) and Richard Rodgers (m)
I'M IN THE MOOD FOR LOVE, Dorothy Fields (w&m)
I'VE GOT A CRUSH ON YOU, Ira Gershwin (w) and George Gershwin (m)
I'VE GOTTA BE ME, Walter Marks (w&m)
I'VE GROWN ACCUSTOMED TO HER FACE, Alan Jay Lerner (w) and Frederick Loewe 3 (m)
I'VE NEVER BEEN IN LOVE BEFORE, Frank Loesser (w&m)
IF EVER I WOULD LEAVE YOU, Alan Jay Lerner (w) and Frederick Loewe 3 (m)
IF HE WALKED INTO MY LIFE, Jerry Herman (w&m)
IF I LOVED YOU, Oscar Hammerstein II 2 (w) and Richard Rodgers (m)
IF I NEVER KNEW YOU, Stephen Schwartz (w) and Alan Menken (m)
IF I RULED THE WORLD, Cyril Ornadel 9 (m)
THE IMPOSSIBLE DREAM, Joe Darion 10 (w) and Mitch Leigh 11 (m)
IN THE WEE SMALL HOURS OF THE MORNING, Bob Hilliard (w) and David Mann (m)
IS THAT ALL THERE IS?, Jerry Leiber and Mike Stoller (w&m)
IT AIN'T NECESSARILY SO, Ira Gershwin (w) and George Gershwin (m)
IT GOES LIKE IT GOES, Norman Gimbel (w) and David Shire (m)
IT MIGHT AS WELL BE SPRING, Oscar Hammerstein II 2 (w) and Richard Rodgers (m)
IT WAS A VERY GOOD YEAR, Ervin Drake (w&m)
IT'S A GRAND NIGHT FOR SINGING, Oscar Hammerstein II 2 (w) and Richard Rodgers (m)
IT'S A NEW WORLD (begins at 5:30), Ira Gershwin (w) and Harold Arlen (m)
IT'S MY TURN, Carole Bayer Sager (w)
IT'S NOT WHERE YOU START, Dorothy Fields (w) and Cy Coleman (m)
IT'S ONLY A PAPER MOON, Billy Rose/E. Y. Harburg (w) and Harold Arlen (m)
IT'S THE MOST WONDERFUL TIME OF THE YEAR, George Wyle 7 (w&m)
JERUSALEM OF GOLD <1>, <2> (YERUSHALAYIM SHEL ZAHAV), Naomi Shemer (w&m)
JOEY, JOEY, JOEY, Frank Loesser (w&m)
JOHNNY ONE NOTE, Lorenz Hart (w) and Richard Rodgers (m)
JUNE IS BUSTIN' OUT ALL OVER, Oscar Hammerstein II 2 (w) and Richard Rodgers (m)
JUST THE WAY YOU ARE, Billy Joel (w&m)
KATYUSHA, Matvei Blanter (m)
KILLING ME SOFTLY WITH HIS SONG, Norman Gimbel (w) and Charles Fox (m)
KODACHROME, Paul Simon (w&m)
THE LADIES WHO LUNCH, Stephen Sondheim (w&m)
THE LADY IS A TRAMP, Lorenz Hart (w) and Richard Rodgers (m)
THE LAST NIGHT OF THE WORLD, Alain Boublil 8 (w) and Claude-Michel Schönberg 8 (m)
THE LAST TIME I SAW PARIS, Oscar Hammerstein II 2 (w) and Jerome Kern (m)
LAURA, David Raksin (m)
LAY, LADY, LAY, Bob Dylan (w&m)
LET IT SNOW! LET IT SNOW! LET IT SNOW!, Sammy Cahn (w) and Jule Styne (m)
LET ME CALL YOU SWEETHEART, Leo Friedman (w&m)
LET ME ENTERTAIN YOU, Stephen Sondheim (w) and Jule Styne (m)
LET THE RIVER RUN <1>, <2>, Carly Simon 4 (w&m)
LET'S CALL THE WHOLE THING OFF, Ira Gershwin (w) and George Gershwin (m)
LET'S FACE THE MUSIC AND DANCE <1>, <2>, Irving Berlin (w&m)
LET'S FALL IN LOVE, Ted Koehler (w) and Harold Arlen (m)
LONG AGO (AND FAR AWAY) <1>, <2>, Ira Gershwin (w) and Jerome Kern (m)
THE LOOK OF LOVE, Hal David (w) and Burt Bacharach (m)
LOOK TO THE RAINBOW, E. Y. Harburg (w) and Burton Lane (m)
LOOKING THROUGH THE EYES OF LOVE <1>, <2>, <3>, Carole Bayer Sager (w) and Marvin Hamlisch (m)
LOT OF LIVIN' TO DO, Lee Adams (w) and Charles Strouse (m)
LOVE BOAT THEME, Charles Fox (m)
LOVE IS A MANY-SPLENDORED THING <1>, <2>, Paul Francis Webster (w) and Sammy Fain (m)
(OUR) LOVE IS HERE TO STAY, Ira Gershwin (w) and George Gershwin (m)
LOVE OF MY LIFE, Carly Simon 4 (w&m)
LOVES ME LIKE A ROCK, Paul Simon (w&m)
LUCK BE A LADY, Frank Loesser (w&m)
LULLABY OF BROADWAY, Al Dubin (w)
MACK THE KNIFE <1>, <2>, Marc Blitzstein (w) and Kurt Weill (m)
THE MAGNIFICENT SEVEN, Elmer Bernstein (m)
MAKE BELIEVE, Oscar Hammerstein II 2 (w) and Jerome Kern (m)
MAKE SOMEONE HAPPY, Betty Comden/Adolph Green (w) and Jule Styne (m)
MAKE THE MAN LOVE ME, Dorothy Fields (w) and Arthur Schwartz (m)
MAME, Jerry Herman (w&m)
THE MAN I LOVE, Ira Gershwin (w) and George Gershwin (m)
MAN OF LA MANCHA, Joe Darion 10 (w) and Mitch Leigh 11 (m)
THE MAN THAT GOT AWAY, Ira Gershwin (w) and Harold Arlen (m)
MANHATTAN, Lorenz Hart (w) and Richard Rodgers (m)
MARIA, Stephen Sondheim (w) and Leonard Bernstein (m)
MARINE HYMN (From the Halls of Montezuma to the Shores of Tripoli), Jacques Offenbach (m)
MIDNIGHT BLUE, Melissa Manchester/Carole Bayer Sager (w&m)
MILK AND HONEY, Jerry Herman (w&m)
MONA LISA, Jay Livingston and Ray Evans (w&m)
THE MORNING AFTER, Al Kasha and Joel Hirschorn (w&m)
MOUNTAIN GREENERY, Lorenz Hart (w) and Richard Rodgers (m)
MR. TAMBOURINE MAN, Bob Dylan (w&m)
MRS. ROBINSON, Paul Simon (w&m)
MY FAVORITE THINGS <1>, <2>,Oscar Hammerstein II 2 (w) and Richard Rodgers (m)
MY FUNNY VALENTINE <1>, <2>, <3>, <4>, Lorenz Hart (w) and Richard Rodgers (m)
MY HEART WILL GO ON, James Horner (m)
MY KIND OF TOWN, Sammy Cahn (w)
MY LITTLE TOWN, Paul Simon (w&m)
NATURAL WOMAN, Carole King/Gerry Goffin/Jerry Wexler (w&m)
NEVER GONNA FALL IN LOVE AGAIN, Eric Carmen (w&m)
NEW SOUL, Yael Naim (w&m)
NEW YORK STATE OF MIND, Billy Joel (w&m)
NEW YORK, NEW YORK, Betty Comden/Adolph Green (w) and Leonard Bernstein (m)
(THEME FROM) NEW YORK, NEW YORK, Fred Ebb (w) and John Kander (m)
NO TWO PEOPLE, Frank Loesser (w&m)
NOT WHILE I'M AROUND <1>, <2>, Stephen Sondheim (w&m)
OH, WHAT A BEAUTIFUL MORNIN', Oscar Hammerstein II 2 (w) and Richard Rodgers (m)
OKLAHOMA!, Oscar Hammerstein II 2 (w) and Richard Rodgers (m)
OL' MAN RIVER, Oscar Hammerstein II 2 (w) and Jerome Kern (m)
OLD DEVIL MOON, E. Y. Harburg (w) and Burton Lane (m)
ON A CLEAR DAY, Alan Jay Lerner (w) and Burton Lane (m)
ON BROADWAY, Cynthia Weil/Barry Mann/Jerry Leiber/MikeStoller (w&m)
ON MY OWN, Herbert Kretzmer (w) and Claude-Michel Schönberg 8 (m)
ON THE STREET WHERE YOU LIVE, Alan Jay Lerner (w) and Frederick Loewe 3 (m)
ONCE UPON A TIME <1>, <2>, <3>, Lee Adams (w) and Charles Strouse (m)
ONE, Edward Kleban (w) and Marvin Hamlisch (m)
ONE DAY MORE, Alain Boublil 8/Herbert Kretzmer (w) and Claude-Michel Schönberg 8 (m)
ONE HAND, ONE HEART, Stephen Sondheim (w) and Leonard Bernstein (m)
ONE LESS BELL TO ANSWER, Hal David (w) and Burt Bacharach (m)
ONLY LOVE CAN BREAK A HEART, Hal David (w) and Burt Bacharach (m)
OVER THE RAINBOW <1>, <2>, E. Y. Harburg (w) and Harold Arlen (m)
PADAM, PADAM, Norbert Glanzberg (m)
THE PARTY'S OVER, Betty Comden/Adolph Green (w) and Jule Styne (m)
PEOPLE, Bob Merrill (w) and Jule Styne (m)
PEOPLE WILL SAY WE'RE IN LOVE, Oscar Hammerstein II 2 (w) and Richard Rodgers (m)
THE PRAYER <1>, <2>, Carole Bayer Sager (w&m) <(w&m) also by David Foster (non-Jewish)>
PRETTY WOMEN, Stephen Sondheim (w&m)
PUFF (THE MAGIC DRAGON), Peter Yarrow/Leonard Lipton (w&m)
PUT ON A HAPPY FACE, Lee Adams (w) and Charles Strouse (m)
PUTTIN' ON THE RITZ, Irving Berlin (w&m)
PUTTING IT TOGETHER, Stephen Sondheim (w&m)
QUE SERA, SERA, Jay Livingston/Ray Evans (w&m)
RAGS TO RICHES, Richard Adler/Jerry Ross (w&m)
RAINBOW CONNECTION, Ken Ascher (w&m)
RAINDROPS KEEP FALLIN' ON MY HEAD, Hal David (w) and Burt Bacharach (m)
RAISINS AND ALMONDS <1>, <2>, <3>, <4>, (Rozhinkes mit Mandlen), Abraham Goldfaden (w&m)
RAWHIDE, Dmitri Tiomkin (m)
RAY OF HOPE, Shimon Peres (w) and Liel Kolet (m)
READY TO TAKE A CHANCE AGAIN, Norman Gimbel (w) and Charles Fox (m)
REAL LIVE GIRL, Carolyn Leigh (w) and Cy Coleman (m)
RED ROSES FOR A BLUE LADY, Sid Tepper/Roy Brodsky (w&m)
RHAPSODY IN BLUE, George Gershwin (m)
RHINESTONE COWBOY, Larry Weiss (w&m)
RIVER DEEP - MOUNTAIN HIGH, Jeff Barry/Ellie Greenwich 21/Phil Spector (w&m)
RUDOLPH THE RED NOSED REINDEER, Johnny Marks (w&m)
'S WONDERFUL, Ira Gershwin (w) and George Gershwin (m)
SABBATH PRAYER, Sheldon Harnick (w) and Jerry Bock (m)
SAN FRANCISCO, Gus Kahn (w) and Bronislau Kaper/Walter Jurmann (m)
SAVE THE LAST DANCE FOR ME, Jerome Doc Pomus/Mort Shuman (w&m)
SCARBOROUGH FAIR/CANTICLE, Paul Simon/Art Garfunkel (traditional English ballad set in counterpoint with S&G's CANTICLE)
THE SECOND TIME AROUND, Sammy Cahn (w)
SECRET AGENT MAN, Phil Sloan and Steve Barri 17 (w&m)
SECRET LOVE, Paul Francis Webster (w) and Sammy Fain (m)
SEND IN THE CLOWNS <1>,<2>, Stephen Sondheim (w&m)
SEPTEMBER OF MY YEARS, Sammy Cahn (w)
SEPTEMBER SONG, Kurt Weill (m)
THE SHADOW OF YOUR SMILE <1>, <2>, Paul Francis Webster (w) and Johnny Mandel (m)
SHE (HE) TOUCHED ME, Ira Levin (w) and Milton Schafer (m)
SHE'S ALWAYS A WOMAN, Billy Joel (w&m)
SHINE ON HARVEST MOON, Nora Bayes (w&m)
SILVER BELLS, Jay Livingston/Ray Evans (w&m)
SINGIN' IN THE RAIN, Arthur Freed (w)
SIXTEEN GOING ON SEVENTEEN, Oscar Hammerstein II 2 (w) and Richard Rodgers (m)
SKATERS WALTZ, Emile Waldteufel (m)
SLAUGHTER ON TENTH AVENUE, Richard Rodgers (m)
SLOW ME DOWN, Emmy Rossum (w&m)
SMALL WORLD, Stephen Sondheim (w) and Jule Styne (m)
SMOKE GETS IN YOUR EYES, Otto Harbach 15 (w) and Jerome Kern (m)
SO FAR AWAY, Carole King (w&m)
SOLITARY MAN, Neil Diamond (w&m)
SOME ENCHANTED EVENING, Oscar Hammerstein II 2 (w) and Richard Rodgers (m)
SOMEBODY LOVES ME, George Gershwin (m)
SOMEONE TO WATCH OVER ME <1>, <2>, Ira Gershwin (w) and George Gershwin (m)
SOMETHING WONDERFUL, Oscar Hammerstein II 2 (w) and Richard Rodgers (m)
SOMETHING'S COMING, Stephen Sondheim (w) and Leonard Bernstein (m)
SOMEWHERE, Stephen Sondheim (w) and Leonard Bernstein (m)
SOMEWHERE MY LOVE, Paul Francis Webster (w)
SOMEWHERE OUT THERE <1>, <2>, Barry Mann/Cynthia Weil/James Horner
SONG SUNG BLUE, Neil Diamond (w&m)
SORCERER'S APPRENTICE, Paul Dukas (m)
THE SOUND OF MUSIC, Oscar Hammerstein II 2 (w) and Richard Rodgers (m)
SOUND(S) OF SILENCE, Paul Simon (w&m)
SPANISH HARLEM, Jerry Leiber/Phil Spector (w&m)
SPRING IS HERE, Lorenz Hart (w) and Richard Rodgers (m)
STAR DUST, Mitchell Parish (w)
STARS <1>, <2>, Alain Boublil 8/Herbert Kretzmer (w) and Claude-Michel Schönberg 8 (m)
STEPPIN' OUT WITH MY BABY, Irving Berlin (w&m)
STONEY END, Laura Nyro 12 (w&m)
STORMY WEATHER, Ted Koehler (w) and Harold Arlen (m)
STOUTHEARTED MEN, Oscar Hammerstein II 2 (w) and Sigmund Romberg (m)
STRIKE UP THE BAND, Ira Gershwin (w) and George Gershwin (m)
THE STRIPPER, David Rose (m)
SUICIDE IS PAINLESS (Theme from M*A*S*H), Johnny Mandel (m)
SUMMERTIME, Ira Gershwin (w) and George Gershwin (m)
SUNRISE, SUNSET, Sheldon Harnick (w) and Jerry Bock (m)
SWANEE, Irving Caesar (w) and George Gershwin (m)
SWEET AND LOW DOWN, Ira Gershwin (w) and George Gershwin (m)
SWEET CAROLINE, Neil Diamond (w&m)
TAKE GOOD CARE OF MY BABY, Gerry Goffin/Carole King (w&m)
TAKE ME OUT TO THE BALL GAME, Albert Von Tilzer (m)
TAMMY, Jay Livingston/Ray Evans (w&m)
TAPESTRY <1>, <2>, Carole King (w&m)
TARA'S THEME (from Gone with the Wind), Max Steiner (m)
TELL HER ABOUT IT, Billy Joel (w&m)
TENDERLY, Jack Lawrence (w) and Walter Gross (m)
TFILA ("A Prayer"), Henry Bratter (m) and Bezalel Aloni (w)
THANK HEAVEN FOR LITTLE GIRLS, Alan Jay Lerner (w) and Frederick Loewe 3 (m)
THANKS FOR THE MEMORY <1>, <2>, Leo Robin/Ralph Rainger (w&m)
THAT OLD BLACK MAGIC, Harold Arlen (m)
THAT'S ENTERTAINMENT, Howard Dietz (w) and Arthur Schwartz (m)
THAT'S THE WAY I'VE ALWAYS HEARD IT SHOULD BE, Jacob Brackman (w) and Carly Simon 4 (m)
THERE IS NOTHIN' LIKE A DAME <1>, <2> Oscar Hammerstein II 2 (w) and Richard Rodgers (m)
THERE'S NO BUSINESS LIKE SHOW BUSINESS, Irving Berlin (w&m)
THERE WILL NEVER BE ANOTHER YOU, Mack Gordon (w)
THERE YOU'LL BE, Diane Warren (w&m)
THEY CALL THE WIND MARIA(H), Alan Jay Lerner (w) and Frederick Loewe 3 (m)
THEY CAN'T TAKE THAT AWAY FROM ME, Ira Gershwin (w) and George Gershwin (m)
THEY SAY IT'S WONDERFUL, Irving Berlin (w&m)
THEY'RE PLAYING MY SONG, Carole Bayer Sager (w) and Marvin Hamlisch (m)
THIS GUY'S IN LOVE WITH YOU, Hal David (w) and Burt Bacharach (m)
THIS IS THE ARMY, MR. JONES, Irving Berlin (w&m)
THIS MAGIC MOMENT, Jerome Doc Pomus/Mort Shuman (w&m)
THIS NEARLY WAS MINE, Oscar Hammerstein II 2 (w) and Richard Rodgers (m)
THIS ONE'S FOR YOU, Barry Manilow/Marty Panzer (w&m)
THOSE WERE THE DAYS (theme from TV show All in the Family), Charles Strouse/Lee Adams (w&m)
(A) THOUSAND KISSES DEEP, Leonard Cohen (w&m)
THREE COINS IN A FOUNTAIN, Sammy Cahn (w) and Jule Styne (m)
THREE LITTLE WORDS, Bert Kalmar (w) and Harry Ruby (m)
TIME AFTER TIME, Sammy Cahn (w) and Jule Styne (m)
TIME IN A BOTTLE, Jim Croce 13 (w&m)
TIMES THEY ARE A-CHANGIN', Bob Dylan (w&m)
TO LIFE (L'CHAIM), Sheldon Harnick (w) and Jerry Bock (m)
TOMORROW, Martin Charnin (w) and Charles Strouse (m)
TONIGHT <1>, <2>, Stephen Sondheim (w) and Leonard Bernstein (m)
TOWN WITHOUT PITY, Dimitri Tiomkin (m)
TRADITION, Sheldon Harnick (w) and Jerry Bock (m)
TRYIN' TO GET THE FEELIN' AGAIN, David Pomeranz (w&m)
TWELFTH OF NEVER, Paul Francis Webster (w) and Jerry Livingston (m)
TZENA, TZENA, TZENA, Mitchell Parish (w) and Julius Grossman/Issachar Miron (m)
UNCHAINED MELODY, Hy Zaret (w) and Alex North (m)
UNFORGETTABLE, Irving Gordon (w&m)
UNUSUAL WAY <1>, <2>, Maury Yeston (w&m)
UP ON THE ROOF, Carole King/Gerry Goffin (w&m)
VALLEY OF THE DOLLS, Andre Previn (w&m)
WALKIN' MY BABY BACK HOME, Roy Turk and Fred Ahlert (w&m)
WALK ON BY, Hal David (w) and Burt Bacharach (m)
WALK ON THE WILD SIDE, Mack David (w) and Elmer Bernstein (m)
WAND'RIN STAR, Alan Jay Lerner (w) and Frederick Loewe 3 (m)
THE WAY WE WERE, Alan Bergman/Marilyn Bergman (w) and Marvin Hamlisch (m)
THE WAY YOU LOOK TONIGHT <1>, <2>, <3>, Dorothy Fields (w) and Jerome Kern (m)
WE KISS IN A SHADOW <1>, <2>, Oscar Hammerstein II 2 (w) and Richard Rodgers (m)
WE MAY NEVER LOVE LIKE THIS AGAIN, Al Kasha/Joel Hirschorn (w&m)
WE NEED A LITTLE CHRISTMAS, Jerry Herman (w&m)
WE'RE OFF TO SEE THE WIZARD, E. Y. Harburg (w) and Harold Arlen (m)
WEDDING BELL BLUES, Laura Nyro 12 (w&m)
WEDDING MARCH, Felix Mendelssohn (m)
WEEKEND IN NEW ENGLAND, Randy Edelman (w&m)
WHAT A WONDERFUL WORLD, George David Weiss (m)
WHAT ARE YOU DOING THE REST OF YOUR LIFE?, Alan Bergman/Marilyn Bergman (w)
WHAT DID I HAVE THAT I DON'T HAVE?, Alan Jay Lerner (w) and Burton Lane (m)
WHAT DOES HE WANT OF ME? <1>,<2>, Joe Darion 10 (w) and Mitch Leigh 11 (m)
WHAT I DID FOR LOVE, Edward Kleban (w) and Marvin Hamlisch (m)
WHAT KIND OF FOOL AM I, Anthony Newley 22 (w&m)
WHAT THE WORLD NEEDS NOW IS LOVE, Hal David (w) and Burt Bacharach (m)
WHAT'LL I DO?, Irving Berlin (w&m)
WHAT'S NEW PUSSYCAT?, Hal David (w) and Burt Bacharach (m)
WHAT'S THE USE OF WOND'RIN'?, Oscar Hammerstein II 2 (w) and Richard Rodgers (m)
WHATEVER LOLA WANTS,Richard Adler/Jerry Ross (w&m)
WHEN I FALL IN LOVE, Edward Heyman (w) and Victor Young (m)
WHEN SUNNY GETS BLUE, Jack Segal (w) and Marvin Fisher (m)
WHEN YOU BELIEVE, Stephen Schwartz (w&m)
WHERE AM I GOING <1>, <2>, <3> Dorothy Fields (w) and Cy Coleman (m)
WHERE IS LOVE?, Lionel Bart (w&m)
WHERE OR WHEN <1>, <2>, Lorenz Hart (w) and Richard Rodgers (m)
WHERE THE BOYS ARE, Howard Greenfield (w) and Neil Sedaka (m)
WHITE CHRISTMAS <1>, Irving Berlin (w&m)
THE WHITE CLIFFS OF DOVER <1>, <2>, Nat Burton 19 (w) and Walter Kent 19 (m)
WHO WILL BUY?, Lionel Bart (w&m)
WHOLE NEW WORLD, Alan Menken (m)
WHO'S SORRY NOW?, Bert Kalmar/Harry Ruby/Ted Snyder (w&m)
WILD IS THE WIND <1>, <2>, <3>, Dimitri Tiomkin (m)
WILL YOU LOVE ME TOMORROW?, Gerry Goffin/Carole King (w&m)
WILLOW WEEP FOR ME, Ann Ronell (w&m)
WIND BENEATH MY WINGS <1>, <2>, Jeff Silbar (w&m)
WINDMILLS OF YOUR MIND, Alan Bergman/Marilyn Bergman (w)
WINDOWS OF THE WORLD, Hal David (w) and Burt Bacharach (m)
WINTER WONDERLAND, Felix Bernard (m)
WISH YOU WERE HERE, Harold Rome (w&m)
WISHIN' AND HOPIN', Hal David (w) and Burt Bacharach (m)
WITCHCRAFT, Carolyn Leigh (w) and Cy Coleman (m)
WITH A LITTLE BIT OF LUCK, Alan Jay Lerner (w) and Frederick Loewe 3 (m)
WITH A SONG IN MY HEART, Lorenz Hart (w) and Richard Rodgers (m)
WITH YOU I'M BORN AGAIN, Carol Connors 14 (w) and David Shire (m)
WONDERFUL COPENHAGEN, Frank Loesser (w&m)
WONDERFUL WORLD ("Don't Know Much About History"), Lou Adler/Herb Alpert (w&m)
WOULDN'T IT BE LOVERLY?, Alan Jay Lerner (w) and Frederick Loewe 3 (m)
YOU AND ME AGAINST THE WORLD, Ken Ascher (w&m)
YOU AND THE NIGHT AND THE MUSIC, Howard Dietz (w) and Arthur Schwartz (m)
YOU DON'T BRING ME FLOWERS, Marilyn Bergman/Alan Bergman/Neil Diamond (w) and Neil Diamond (m)
YOU MAKE ME FEEL BRAND NEW, Linda Creed (w&m)
YOU'LL NEVER WALK ALONE <1>, <2>, Oscar Hammerstein II 2 (w) and Richard Rodgers (m)
YOU'RE SO VAIN, Carly Simon 4 (w&m)
YOU'VE GOT A FRIEND <1>, <2>, Carole King (w&m)
YOU'VE GOT TO BE CAREFULLY TAUGHT, Oscar Hammerstein II 2 (w) and Richard Rodgers (m)
YOU'VE LOST THAT LOVIN' FEELIN', Barry Mann/Cynthia Weil/Phil Spector (w&m)
YOUNG AT HEART, Carolyn Leigh (w)
YOUNGER THAN SPRINGTIME, Oscar Hammerstein II 2 (w) and Richard Rodgers (m)
ZIP-A-DEE-DOO-DAH, Ray Gilbert (w) and Allie Wrubel (m)

[DailyGrind51]

16. Did Stone sign Gibson to do a film or something, what gives?

[Bonobo]

18. Look up list of Jewish Comedians

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Jewish_comedians

Now look up "list of Baptist comedians"

Oh, there isn't one... Ya see?

[Kalyke]

60. Is Jeff Foxworthy Baptist?

And I do think he can be pretty funny. He makes fun of the rednecks he lives among. :)

[Erose999]

80. Jeff Dunham is some denomination of evengelical. He's also NOT funny.

[DailyGrind51]

140. Hey, George Carlin was a baptized Catholic, and he is the "exceptional" exception in my book!

[EFerrari]

39. He's being smeared for challenging the MIC in Latin America

and for criticizing our whore media. Same old.

[geek tragedy]

79. Are you suggesting that he didn't say that Jews control

the media and prevent honest discussions of the Holocaust, or that it's acceptable to say such things?

[EFerrari]

91. I'm not suggesting, I'm saying outright that unless you yourself

run down these comments for yourself, you need to know that our media is in full smear mode on Stone and to take this with a pillar of salt.

Is that as clear as possible?

[geek tragedy]

95. There are two alternatives--either he didn't say it and the Times is lying

or he did say it.

If he did say it, it's not a smear.

[EFerrari]

96. Yes, those would be the alternatives.

And having chased down other similar allegations about sensitive subjects like this one that have turned out not to be true, I stand by my warning.

If you take anti-semitism seriously, it follows that false charges only dilute the issue.

/grammar

[geek tragedy]

99. We will have to see if Stone disputes it, and if there

is video or audio.

[Donald Ian Rankin]

Nonsense.

There are unquestionably a much higher proportion of Jews in prominent positions in the Western media than there are in the West as a whole, but a) that proportion still isn't terribly large and b) that's not one of the main reasons the Holocaust occupies such a large position in the popular consciousness - the two main ones are that it was a massive genocide and that it was an episode of history that can be presented to reflect well on the USA and Britain, and so those countries make sure it's a prominent part of the history they teach their children.

[Bonobo]

20. What is the percentage? How much larger than 1/4 of 1 percent of the population?

I would say it is ENORMOUSLY larger.

Now, is that why there are many films about the Holocaust as opposed to the:

Irish Potato Famine?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irish_Potato_Famine

The Armenian Genocide?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Armenian_Genocide

Yeah, it probably is.

And yes, I am Jewish.

[Name removed]

78. Deleted message

Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.

[Bonobo]

117. I never said anything of the kind. And I am alerting you.

[Donald Ian Rankin]

17. Nonsense.

There are unquestionably a much higher proportion of Jews in prominent positions in the Western media than there are in the West as a whole, but a) that proportion still isn't terribly large and b) that's not one of the main reasons the Holocaust occupies such a large position in the popular consciousness - the two main ones are that it was a massive genocide and that it was an episode of history that can be presented to reflect well on the USA and Britain, and so those countries make sure it's a prominent part of the history they teach their children.

[mucifer]

19. We control the WORLD you are all DOOOOOMED!!!

Heh Heh!!!
:evilgrin: :evilgrin: :evilgrin:

[Ian David]

23. Oliver Stone: Jewish control of the media is preventing free Holocaust debate

Oliver Stone: Jewish control of the media is preventing free Holocaust debate
Outspoken Hollywood director says new film aims to put Adolf Hitler, who he has called an 'easy scapegoat' in the past, in his due historical context.

Jewish control of the media is preventing an open discussion of the Holocaust, prominent Hollywood director Oliver Stone told the Sunday Times, adding that the U.S. Jewish lobby was controlling Washington's foreign policy for years.

In the Sunday interview, Stone reportedly said U.S. public opinion was focused on the Holocaust as a result of the "Jewish domination of the media," adding that an upcoming film of him aims to put Adolf Hitler and Soviet dictator Joseph Stalin "in context."

"There's a major lobby in the United States," Stone said, adding that "they are hard workers. They stay on top of every comment, the most powerful lobby in Washington."

More:
http://www.haaretz.com/jewish-world/oliver-stone-jewish-control-of-the-media-is-preventing-free-holocaust-debate-1.304108

Oliver Stone has waded well over the line into outright antisemitism (or in his case, self-loathing?)

[Radical Activist]

51. You should link to the original interview.

Your link implies he's saying something along the lines of a holocaust denier. But when I read the actual quotes from Stone, it sounds like he's talking about the social and political factors that lead to Hitler's rise and those who aided his actions. There's nothing antisemitic about that.

[geek tragedy]

75. What about the "Jewism media suppressing Holocaust debate"

part?

[Radical Activist]

86. I don't see that from Stone.

I haven't seen a quote of Stone arguing that in this thread, so I'm not sure what you mean.

All I've seen is Stone saying that the Holocaust gets a lot of attention in Hollywood because many Jews work in the industry. That's about as controversial as saying that Boston has a large St. Patrick's Day Parade because a lot of Irish live there. So what?

[geek tragedy]

88. He's quoted in the article as citing "Jewish domination of the media"

as explaining how the HOlocaust is discussed in the West.

[Radical Activist]

97. Why don't you respond

to the several posts upthread explaining why there really are many Jews working in Hollywood? I don't see any quote from Stone about "suppressing" the debate. In fact, his point was just the opposite. I'm not sure why you added in that word and spin.

It's not something I say about Hollywood because the line is associated with too many bigoted conspiracy theories. But I don't see Stone going into that territory in any of the quotes.

Is there anything wrong with saying that there are Jews who made movies like Exodus and Schindler's List because they care deeply about the issues involved? I don't think so.

[geek tragedy]

107. He didn't say "Jews working in Hollywood."

He said "Jewish domination of the media."

[AngryAmish]

24. When is he making "The Helen Thomas Story"?

[Peace Patriot]

25. As a close follower of the U.S. psyops against President Chavez of Venezuela--

one of which was an effort to falsely paint him as "anti-semitic"--I will give Stone the benefit of the doubt on this, until the full interview is available and Stone confirms it.

The irony is that American Jews tend to be very progressive. So, when someone threatens the lies and the power of our corporate rulers and war profiteers, a special effort is made to target the Jewish community with bullshit like this--to confuse, to disinform, to disorganize and disempower the left.

Venezuela's Bolivarian Revolution is a serious threat to our corporate rulers and war profiteers. It is democratic. It is peaceful. It is grass roots driven, and it is very, very widespread, with leftist leaders and allies of Venezuela elected in Bolivia, Ecuador, Paraguay, Uruguay, Argentina, Brazil, Nicaragua, El Salvador, Guatemala, Honduras (overturned by the recent, U.S.-contrived rightwing coup), and an almost in Mexico, on our very border. Stone has defended this democratic revolution and Chavez in particular, and has done much to counter the "Big Lie" tactics of the corporate media, the CIA, the State Dept and other tools of the corporate state, in their demonization of Chavez. So it would not surprise me at all to see Stone attacked in the same way, with misquotes, lack of context and outright lying, targeting the same community, trying to sway Jews away from the social justice movement in Latin America.

The attack on Chavez as "anti-semitic" was devious, appalling and disgusting. NO ONE has done more for human rights in Venezuela, and in the region, than Chavez. And, as all the leading Jewish groups in Venezuela have attested, Chavez is NOT "anti-semitic" and his government has acted swiftly and decisively to investigate and prosecute anti-Jewish crimes.

The purpose of psyops is to leave lingering impressions that no amount of facts and reason can overcome, because psyops work on a subconscious level. Very likely many uninformed people still think that Chavez is "anti-semitic" though the charge has been completely debunked. We really need to understand that our corporate media has become a conduit for this kind of impressionistic manipulation. Another word for it is brainwashing. We need to be alert to it, as with this post. We need to hold these things up to the light of day and become very conscious about them.

Look how even the supposed savvy politicians in the White House were snookered on the Shirley Sherrod matter! It hit below the belt, striking at deep fears of several kinds. It caught them on a subconscious level. And the facts of that event lay bare the truth that agents of the rightwing are quite deliberately cutting and pasting and 'photoshopping' information, and feeding it into the newsstream, to manipulate our fears in this way.

One other thought: Oliver Stone is Jewish (according to posters here--I didn't know that). Do Jews not have a right to self-criticism (if that is what he was doing)? Similarly, did Chavez not have a right to criticize Israel on the Palestinian issue? Many other world leaders have done so. (The "anti-semitic" psyop followed his public criticism of Israel.) Why pick on Chavez for saying something many others have said, including--not incidentally--many Jews? Why--because some OTHER AGENDA is at work! The Chavez government uses oil profits to benefit the poor. That's probably it. Can't have that generally known. Got to fill peoples' heads with crap to drive out the facts. We might start thinking here that oil profits should benefit US. How come oil execs are getting billions and we're firing teachers and shutting down public services? How come even criminal oil execs are getting billions--and we, the people, stand helpless against their dreadful environmental crimes? In Venezuela, the government puts the people first, and Chavez, like FDR, battles "organized money" on their behalf. Venezuela is a "BAD EXAMPLE" and so they have to somehow turn Chavez into a bogeyman, so that the IDEAS of the Bolivarian Revolution won't catch on here.

There is much motive to do the same to Oliver Stone, who has stood up against all this subliminal lying about Chavez.

-----

(Edited to correct typo--changed Sherrod Brown to Shirley Sherrod.)

[Kalun D]

33. +++++++1,000,000^^^^^^^

good post

[Motown_Johnny]

26. if the media is dominated by Jews then why is most MSM coverage so good for WASPS?

If Stone were right I would expect the media to be far more balanced than it is.


Maybe he said it but even if he did it doesn't mean the statement is correct.

[MellowDem]

59. If you've noticed, it's not about WASPS, it's about $$$$$....

Hence you have "news" channels that cater to specific demographics and float entertainment as news.

WASPS are far too diverse a group to be one demographic in the hyper identity concious entertainment industry that is "news". And there are actually quite a lot of Jews that make up the conservative and neo-conservative movements. The dividing lines are more ideological than ethnic.

How exactly is MSM coverage good for WASPS anyways? As far as I can tell, it's good for noone but business.

[WI_DEM]

27. He sounds like Walt Disney

[LeftishBrit]

28. Was this sarcasm, or has he caught a disease from Mel Gibson?

[Mosby]

66. This is all I can find so far:

The 10-part documentary will address Stalin and Hitler "in context", he says. "Hitler was a Frankenstein but there was also a Dr Frankenstein. German industrialists, the Americans and the British. He had a lot of support."

He also seeks to put his atrocities in proportion: "Hitler did far more damage to the Russians than the Jewish people, 25 or 30m."

Why such a focus on the Holocaust then? "The Jewish domination of the media," he says. "There's a major lobby in the United States. They are hard workers. They stay on top of every comment, the most powerful lobby in Washington. Israel has f***** up United States foreign policy for years."

http://normblog.typepad.com/normblog/2010/07/stone-for-a-brain.html

[Agonist]

30. Context please

I'd like to see the context. Were Stone's words truncated?

[Vickers]

31. A buddy of mine once caught Oliver Stone eating a baby. n/t

[AlabamaLibrul]

32. BOTD until full context is released.

I'm not ready to throw him under the bus (millionth reference on DU this week) just yet, especially considering Stone is Jewish.

And he makes good films!

[Kalun D]

34. Really?

The emperor has no clothes?

say it isn't so...

[Archae]

35. Hollywood may have been started by Jews...

And Jews may have been the dominant faith among movie makers at that time.

But that was DECADES ago.

To say that Jews dominate Hollywood now, is anti-Semitic garbage.
And Stone, even if he is Jewish, is not known for being truthful, in addition he's known for making inflammatory remarks and films.

[malletgirl02]

123. Early Hollywood

Also the only reason Jews were predominated in early Hollywood, was they were kept out of most industries due to prejudice, and had to make their own way.

[Archae]

137. And they wanted to stay away from the east coast movie makers...

Edison had a monopoly on films made on the east coast.

[Touchdown]

36. Are you sure this is true?

It doesn't sound right.

[Hello_Kitty]

37. Why was the reporter asking such a question? eom

[Behind the Aegis]

38. Despite what some here are claiming, Stone is NOT Jewish.

Even if he were, it doesn't excuse this type of anti-Semitic remark. It goes to show how some will go to great lengths to excuse anti-Semitism.

As for Stone, his father was Jewish, his mother Catholic, but was raised Episcopalian. He considers himself Buddhist. source

[The Straight Story]

42. I am confused (for once)

Are you using Jew in a religious sense or race sense? If I say Christians control most talk radio stations, am I anti-Christian?

I don't see it as an anti-semitic remark, and as Bonobo pointed out above it seems to be a fairly accurate observation - but I don't get why someone would think that is 'bad' anyway. The Presidency has been dominated by Christians, as has congress. If I said most higher positions in the WH were held by jews am I suddenly wanting to fire up the trains for a one way trip for jews?

[Behind the Aegis]

45. There is no Jewish "race."

While there may be an ethnic component, there is no "race" known as Jews.

"If I say Christians control most talk radio stations, am I anti-Christian?" Possibly.

Of course you don't see it as anti-Semitic. It is clear you aren't in the least bit educated in what anti-Semitism is. There are more blacks in prison than any other racial group and this proves that blacks are more prone to be criminal. You do see how that last statement is racist, right?

[The Straight Story]

48. Not really

"There are more blacks in prison than any other racial group and this proves that blacks are more prone to be criminal. You do see how that last statement is racist, right?"

The 1st part of the statement is a fact, and relaying that does not make one a racist. The fact does not lead to the conclusion that blacks are more prone to be criminal and using the fact to create that argument would be racist.

There are more Jews per Capita in some fields, and the same can be said about other groups and fields (Cops and Irish for example). Pointing that out is not wrong, facts are not racist.

Not to mention you just used racist when you said Jews were not a race (it is, though, used as both by some folks). If they are semites then how is it someone says something about jews and they then get labeled anti-semitic? Obviously it is used in a way similar to how I used it.

[Behind the Aegis]

49. You almost had it.

I didn't say facts were "racist." That was the point and thought you had grasped it. Alas, you did not. I used "racist" to describe the statement about blacks (you do realize that African-Americans are a race and therefore discrimination against them is called "racism"). Also, one can be a member of a group and still be a bigot against said group. "Gays are AIDS-ridden perverts." is a homophobic statement, it doesn't matter if said by a non-gay or a gay person, it would still be homophobic. "Black men are lazy, shiftless, dead-beat dads." It doesn't matter if Pat Robertson or Jesse Jackson says that, it is still racist.

[Mosby]

68. It's his assertions that are antisemitic

In the interview he was asserting that other victims of WWII are overlooked somehow because according to him, the US media is controlled by Jews and they only want to focus on Jewish victims of WWII.


The 10-part documentary will address Stalin and Hitler "in context", he says. "Hitler was a Frankenstein but there was also a Dr Frankenstein. German industrialists, the Americans and the British. He had a lot of support."

He also seeks to put his atrocities in proportion: "Hitler did far more damage to the Russians than the Jewish people, 25 or 30m."

Why such a focus on the Holocaust then? "The Jewish domination of the media," he says. "There's a major lobby in the United States. They are hard workers. They stay on top of every comment, the most powerful lobby in Washington. Israel has f***** up United States foreign policy for years."

http://normblog.typepad.com/normblog/2010/07/stone-for-a-brain.html

Stating that jews contol the media could be construed as antisemitic because he could have said something along the lines of "jews are overrepresented in the media" but he didn't.

[ruggerson]

128. Jews are an ethnic identity as well as a religion, no?

If not, then why, for example, do scientists say that breast cancer affects proportionally more Ashkenazi Jewish women than European women?

Certainly genetic predisposition to something is related to an ethnic family of people, not to what church or temple they attend.

[Behind the Aegis]

130. Did you read my post?

[geek tragedy]

90. "a fairly accurate observation"

No, it's an anti-semitic myth.

[Bonobo]

120. It is not a myth that Jews were instrumental in the creation of Hollywood as we know it.

http://www.amazon.com/Empire-Their-Own-Invented-Hollywood/dp/0385265573/ref=sr_1_4?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1280189497&sr=1-4

[geek tragedy]

121. It is a myth that Jews control the media and how historical events are discussed. nt

[Bonobo]

122. I absolutely agree with that statement. nt

[ruggerson]

133. +1

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

40. No one could have expected that a conspiracy theorist would be anti-semitic.

[Radical Activist]

52. snarf

:toast: no kidding

[proteus_lives]

70. Ha. good point.

[Touchdown]

43. This smells like a Breitbart edit and smear job.

"See how racist that Commie is?"

[EFerrari]

44. Yep. nt

[Behind the Aegis]

46. ....

:rofl:

Conspiracy!!!

[Touchdown]

47. Is there a history of Stone making anti-semitic remarks?

Supporting anti-semites? Adhering to anti-semitic ideas, or promoting anti-jewish messages?

[Behind the Aegis]

50. Does there have to be in order to qualify his remarks as anti-Semitic?

[malaise]

53. He stated a fact - how is that anti-Semitic? n/t

[Behind the Aegis]

55. Another "whoosh" post.

Facts aren't bigoted. Facts are facts. It is how they are used that determines if they are being used in a bigoted fashion.

Blacks make up the largest racial group in the prison system. FACT
Blacks are more violent than other races. BIGOTRY (based on an actual fact)

Gay men account for more cases of AIDS and HIV in the US. FACT
Gay men are promiscuous. BIGOTRY (based on an actual fact)

[proteus_lives]

72. So you believe "Jooooows" control the media?

:tinfoilhat:

[Dreamer Tatum]

54. Yes. He has to say them on television and on live web feed

with real-time DNA testing occurring as he's speaking, plus a panel of eyewitnesses including
Cornel West, Hugo Chavez, Noam Chomsky, and Joan Baez who must vote unanimously agree that Stone
said what he actually said.

[Touchdown]

63. Ok fine! I concede. Oliver Stone is a raging bigot who wants to kill jews

and burn Israel to the ground. What a nasty man he is!

Everybody happy now?

[Touchdown]

56. Are you sure those remarks are actually his?

If it fits a pattern, then I can see it. As it stands, this is the first time since I've seen Midnight Express, that I ever heard an opinion about Jews from him, and he's not exactly tight lipped about his myriad of other opinions.

[Behind the Aegis]

57. Are you sure they aren't?

Just because he has never said anything about Jews before doesn't negate he said these things, no matter how one may want to distance him from those remarks. The response didn't arrive because he was expressing his opinion about Jews but was responding directly to a question about the Holocaust.

[Touchdown]

61. Did you read my first post?

What part of "This smells like..." makes you interpret it as surety? :eyes:

I don't want to distance him from anything. I just want to know for sure if he said it, and an out of context quote, from a members only link, isn't enough to metaphorically fire him from the USDA.

[Behind the Aegis]

64. Of course I read it which is why I responded with "conspiracy!" Or did you miss that comment?

If you want to know so bad, pay to see it. Some people are pasting the actual comments and focusing on the wrong things. Stating American involvement and others in the rise of Hitler is FACT and NOT anti-Semitic. Saying the Holocaust can't be openly discussed because of the Jewish control of Hollywood IS anti-Semitic and bullshit to boot.

[Touchdown]

67. Who are you? Uncle Leo?

Everybody's an anti-semite. A cook burns his hamburger... Anti-Semite!

Those ridiculous ideas about Hitler are so unbelievable and over the top, I have to question any of the attribution to Stone.

[Behind the Aegis]

73. Who are you? Pat Buchanan?

Three Jews on the Supreme Court another example of Jews trying to control the US!

"Those ridiculous ideas about Hitler are so unbelievable and over the top, I have to question any of the attribution to Stone. "

WTF are you talking about? That Hitler was sponsored by Americans and others? That is factual and well documented.

[Touchdown]

83. AS I already conceded. Stone is an unrepentant bigot who wants to gas all Jews

and burn Israel to the ground. There! You are successful in shutting down debate!

[Behind the Aegis]

102. The only thing burning is your sad, pathetic strawmen.

How terribly sad for you.

[geek tragedy]

74. It's also in Haaretz:

http://www.haaretz.com/jewish-world/oliver-stone-jewish-control-of-the-media-is-preventing-free-holocaust-debate-1.304108

[Blue_In_AK]

110. Yes.

See http://progressivealaska.blogspot.com/2010/07/andrew-breitbarts-next-target-oliver.html

[Touchdown]

125. It's too late for me Blue. I've been 'exposed' as an anti-semite who grew his foreskin back

in less than an hour today. After all, I'm "Pat Buchanan".:eyes:

[Blue_In_AK]

134. Nice to meet you, Pat.

:eyes:

[librechik]

58. oh jeez--just when he was about to re-gain some credibility

hah

[Heidi]

65. He's creating buzz for his "Secret History of America."

The guy's a conspiracy theorist.

[geek tragedy]

77. The context is not flattering to Herr Stone:

Stone said adding that through his documentary work he has been able to "walk in Stalin's shoes and Hitler's shoes to understand their point of view."

Good thing he's fighting the Jew-controlled media to tell the true story about misunderstood figures like Adolf Hitler.

:sarcasm:

[Jim Sagle]

81. Hey Ollie, fuck off and die, Nazi filth.

[Ramulux]

82. Fucking idiot

This story will eclipse his new movie and everything said in it will be written off because of this. Nice job.

[Warren DeMontague]

84. It's the crazy man mustache.

Seriously. One good shave, he'll be fine.

[The Straight Story]

85. Much more of the interview:

"Hitler is an easy scapegoat throughout history and it's been used cheaply," Stone said at the conference. "Stalin has a complete other story. Not to paint him as a hero, but to tell a more factual representation. He fought the German war machine more than any person." ...

The point of this exercise, Stone said, was to put these figures "in context." Much like with "W," Stone said he was attempting to "understand somebody I thoroughly despised."

"You cannot approach history unless you have empathy for the person you may hate," Stone said.
Looks like Newsbusters is working now, since the times is subscription only that's actually the best (sigh) I can do - seems he's pretty much doing the same type of shiat-stirring:
Stone said that his upcoming Showtime documentary series "Secret History of America," seeks to put Hitler and Communist dictator Joseph Stalin "in context."

"Hitler was a Frankenstein but there was also a Dr Frankenstein. German industrialists, the Americans and the British. He had a lot of support," Stone told reporter Camilla Long during the interview, which can be found behind the paywall on the Sunday Times' website.

Stone said that, "Hitler did far more damage to the Russians than the Jewish people, 25 or 30 ."

The Sunday Times interviewer then asked why there was such a focus on the Holocaust.

"The Jewish domination of the media," responded Stone. "There's a major lobby in the United States. They are hard workers. They stay on top of every comment, the most powerful lobby in Washington. Israel has f***** up United States foreign policy for years."


http://www.fark.com/cgi/comments.pl?IDLink=5508588&startid=62184188

[Radical Activist]

87. I don't see what the problem is other than the spin being put on it.

Did Germans kill more Russians than Jews? Yes.

Is it worthwhile to examine the social forces and individuals who aided Hitler, including George W. Bush's grandpa? Yes.

Do we come to a better understanding of history by examining how leaders and the public saw things in the context of their own time? Yes.

It looks like someone is pulling a Breitbart on Oliver Stone.

[geek tragedy]

89. You don't see a problem with this exchange?

The Sunday Times interviewer then asked why there was such a focus on the Holocaust.

"The Jewish domination of the media," responded Stone. "There's a major lobby in the United States. They are hard workers. They stay on top of every comment, the most powerful lobby in Washington. Israel has f***** up United States foreign policy for years."

really?

[G_j]

93. a major lobby

that has greatly effected foriegn policy.
Sounds about right..
:shrug:

[geek tragedy]

94. "Jewish domination of the media."

Care to address that one?

[The Straight Story]

115. Yes

As pointed out elsewhere, Jews were basically screwed over here in the US a bit (as were most groups) and ended up in media in a larger percentage than other groups. Ever watch shows like Chelsey Lately? In one recent show she joked about and the fact that all the folks on her show that night were jewish.

If people have a large input into a project it often reflects their views on it more than others - if you made a movie about the Bush admin would it have a slant at all to it?

Hitler killed a lot of people, more soviets than Jews. Gays and the handicap were targeted. The focus of most movies about and other shows about the time period focus on the Jews. WW2 saw millions upon millions of other people targeted, but if you are the producer - or the people backing your film financially - are of a certain group that was affected they will focus on that more than other things.

It is not a BAD thing at all to show your side of a story when you are the one making the film/documentary. It is pretty natural.

In this whole case, in the US, we have one group more involved in production than other groups and tend to produce things which explore that.

The church my sister goes to is putting on something called 'Band of Brothers' and it explores the Christian side of soldiers in a particular Airborne unit. They have a whole theme of such shows/weekend retreats that focus on Christians in WW2. Does that make them bad? No.

If the church made mainstream movies or financed them I can pretty much guarantee they would make sure the focus was on things near and dear to them - and if someone mentioned that fact would we rush to call them anti-Christian?

I am one of those Christian types who defends Israel and Jews all the time - but that does not mean I am blind or think that if I or others make an observation we all of the sudden are wanting to march people off to concentration camps.

When real criticism is hushed over yells of being a racist I have to wonder if it is because people just can't look at an issue in an objective manner.

White males control most the wealth of this country, that does not mean I am against white males. Christians own a lot of radio stations and religious TV networks, that fact does not mean I am against them - but it also means I can see that they have, and will continue to have, a bias in their programming.

Jewish people are not any more special than any other religious or ethnic groups. Next up I will hear someone tell me that because I mention that BET is made up mostly of people of color, and I mentioned it, I am a racist and hate black people.

[tjwash]

98. Is there any source or context to this, or are you breibarting it?

[dipsydoodle]

100. What he actually said is here

Stone did not say what this OP claims he said.

He did not say "Holocaust good." He did not say "Holocaust no happen."

He said "We, the people of the United States are complicit in the Holocaust. And the U.S. news media does not want to talk about it."

Thanks to reply #8 here for that info : http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=102&topic_id=4479491&mesg_id=4479693

[Behind the Aegis]

103. Sad distortion when she said it, sadder that you repeat it.

"He did not say "Holocaust good." He did not say "Holocaust no happen.""

The OP did not say this, nor did a single poster. He also said more than " "We, the people of the United States are complicit in the Holocaust. And the U.S. news media does not want to talk about it."" which wasn't even the comments people are saying are anti-Semitic. Try claiming "Jewish domination of the media" and "the Jewish lobby is the most powerful" aren't examples of anti-Semitism.

[dipsydoodle]

111. I took that at face value

and assumed McCamy Taylor to have read the actual Sunday Times article. Are you saying you have subsribed online and done the same too ?

[IndianaGreen]

101. Rupert Murdoch owns The Times and he ain't Jewish

We just went through one of those out of context quotes with Shirley Sharrod.

[ruggerson]

127. Murdoch is Jewish and so is Stone

n/t

[oberliner]

131. What is your source for claiming that Rupert Murdoch is Jewish?

Thanks in advance.

[nemo137]

132. Murdoch on his religion. Which is Christianity.

"No. They say I'm a born again Christian and a Catholic convert and so on. I'm certainly a practicing Christian, I go to church quite a bit but not every Sunday and I tend to go to Catholic church -- because my wife is Catholic, I have not formally converted. And I get increasingly disenchanted with the C of E or Episcopalians as they call themselves here. But no, I'm not intensely religious as I'm sometimes described."

http://www.nndb.com/people/420/000023351/#FN1

Murdoch is an Australian-American of Scottish ancestry.

[LeftishBrit]

142. Murdoch is certainly not Jewish

He is an Australian of mixed Irish/Scottish descent.

[MajorChode]

105. No surprise here really. Stone doesn't live in the world most would call reality.

[Blue_In_AK]

108. My guess is that Oliver Stone is being Brietbarted.

Some good analysis here at Progressive Alaska http://progressivealaska.blogspot.com/2010/07/andrew-breitbarts-next-target-oliver.html

[nadinbrzezinski]

109. Ah that lovely canard is raising it's ugly head again

So where are all those secret government (and media) jobs?

:sarcasm: for anybody who needs it.

[dipsydoodle]

114. What have ducks got to do with this ?

[nadinbrzezinski]

119. Definition from Websters

Main Entry: ca·nard
Pronunciation: \kə-ˈnärd also -ˈnär\
Function: noun
Etymology: French, literally, duck; in sense 1, from Middle French vendre des canards à moitié to cheat, literally, to half-sell ducks
Date: 1851
1 a : a false or unfounded report or story; especially : a fabricated report b : a groundless rumor or belief
2 : an airplane with horizontal stabilizing and control surfaces in front of supporting surfaces; also : a small airfoil in front of the wing of an aircraft that can increase the aircraft's

See B, for anybody who needs an explanation... and funny catch

:hi:

[dipsydoodle]

138. Mention canards here

and the almost inevitable reponse will be "I work for them" That's because canard will be switched to Cunard - the shipping line.

Needs to said be out loud really - I work for Cunard.

Yes , :hi:

[TNLib]

112. Link please?

Wasn't the other thread locked because the link was from an unreliable news source? I kind of miss the days when DUer's wouldn't post without a reputable news source to back it up.

[dipsydoodle]

113. Not another one

Incase you hadn't read last week the Times and Sunday Times online are now only available by subscription. Hence a link is impossible. If you want to read the original just subscribe.

[sufrommich]

116. Is Oliver Stone reputable enough?

On Monday afternoon, Mr. Stone released this statement:
“In trying to make a broader historical point about the range of atrocities the Germans committed against many people, I made a clumsy association about the Holocaust, for which I am sorry and I regret. Jews obviously do not control media or any other industry. The fact that the Holocaust is still a very important, vivid and current matter today is, in fact, a great credit to the very hard work of a broad coalition of people committed to the remembrance of this atrocity – and it was an atrocity.”


http://mediadecoder.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/07/26/oliver-stone-controversy/

[HEyHEY]

135. Is he wrong?

[HEyHEY]

136. It's funny, my friend was talking about this the other day

Saying that if you ever mention Hollywood is run by mostly Jewish people everyone puts down their forks and looks at you like you're some kind of nazi bastard. But, if you mention that white protestants run politics no one bats an eye. Such a double standard. If I were to say "Jews run politics" I'd be strung up.

If what he's saying is true, if there happens to be more Jewish people in the media than others, then just accept it as fact. No one is saying its wrong, or bad. (Well, I'm sure some are, but those are the real nazi fucks).

[oberliner]

141. Jews obviously do not control media or any other industry nt

[Rex]

145. SO what if it is! I've never seen one group so persecuted for being mega-successful!

And all the Right wing, crazy media is owned by nazi lovers! Did Stoner forget about FOXNEWS!?!

[Dogtown]

146. Right wing fuckers hate Stone.

Just sayin'....

[kwassa]

150. How deeply Jewish is Hollywood?

note: the author is a Jewish columnist who takes pride in this fact.

from
"Who runs Hollywood? C'mon"
December 19, 2008|JOEL STEIN
The Los Angeles Times

http://articles.latimes.com/2008/dec/19/opinion/oe-stein19

How deeply Jewish is Hollywood? When the studio chiefs took out a full-page ad in the Los Angeles Times a few weeks ago to demand that the Screen Actors Guild settle its contract, the open letter was signed by: News Corp. President Peter Chernin (Jewish), Paramount Pictures Chairman Brad Grey (Jewish), Walt Disney Co. Chief Executive Robert Iger (Jewish), Sony Pictures Chairman Michael Lynton (surprise, Dutch Jew), Warner Bros. Chairman Barry Meyer (Jewish), CBS Corp. Chief Executive Leslie Moonves (so Jewish his great uncle was the first prime minister of Israel), MGM Chairman Harry Sloan (Jewish) and NBC Universal Chief Executive Jeff Zucker (mega-Jewish). If either of the Weinstein brothers had signed, this group would have not only the power to shut down all film production but to form a minyan with enough Fiji water on hand to fill a mikvah.

The person they were yelling at in that ad was SAG President Alan Rosenberg (take a guess). The scathing rebuttal to the ad was written by entertainment super-agent Ari Emanuel (Jew with Israeli parents) on the Huffington Post, which is owned by Arianna Huffington (not Jewish and has never worked in Hollywood.)

The Jews are so dominant, I had to scour the trades to come up with six Gentiles in high positions at entertainment companies. When I called them to talk about their incredible advancement, five of them refused to talk to me, apparently out of fear of insulting Jews. The sixth, AMC President Charlie Collier, turned out to be Jewish.

As a proud Jew, I want America to know about our accomplishment. Yes, we control Hollywood. Without us, you'd be flipping between "The 700 Club" and "Davey and Goliath" on TV all day.