Please see some cops complaints about following the rules

[Dawson Leery]

http://www.policeone.com/patrol-issues/articles/2140560-NY-law-limits-NYPD-stop-frisk-database/

scroll down to the bottom and read the comments.

[msongs]

1. there's 2 kinds of people in this country, police and criminals nt

[TexasObserver]

17. That's it right there. Everyone who isn't a cop is presumed a scumbag.

[TexasObserver]

2. Modern cops generally hate constitutional protections.

They consider them technicalities that get in the way of "good police work."

While sworn to protect the constitution against its enemies, they are its foremost enemy.

[Dawson Leery]

3. Yes they are!

[TexasObserver]

16. If you even mention your constitutional rights to a cop, you'll pay for it.

[Taitertots]

7. Yeah, lets all make ignorant comments about tens of thousands of people based on.....

A tiny fraction that break the laws.


Lets based this irrational hatred on rules determined by the courts and the legislature that are 100% outside of their control.

[TexasObserver]

9. You've led the way with your ignorant comments.

Please educate yourself and see the world as it is, not as you fantasize it to be.

[Taitertots]

10. Do you have even the tiniest scrap of evidence to support your claims?

That the police "generally hate constitutional protections" or that they are the foremost enemy to the constitution. Keep in mind that anecdotes about a fraction of a percent of the police are not going to cut it.

Why don't you educate me? What evidence do you have to support your claims?

[TexasObserver]

11. More edification won't cure your problem. You choose to ignore the truth.

[Taitertots]

12. Ignore what? You have produced nothing to support your wild claims

Support your claims or I'm not going to give them any consideration. If you actually had any evidence this should be no problem.

[TexasObserver]

13. Why do you think I care what you do?

I'm merely labeling your comments as ignorant, which others can plainly see. Your plea that I convince you otherwise will never persuade me. I don't care that you are ignorant, but I'll label your comments as ignorant when they are - as now.

[Taitertots]

20. I see, you can't support your wild claims so you have to bemoan me for calling you out

Why do you bother to post? You have no intention of rational discussion on the topic. Support your claims or continue to make it obvious that they are bullshit.

[TexasObserver]

21. It's a message board. People give opinions.

Your belief that someone must convince you of something or their premise is incorrect is a faulty belief.

I choose to allow you to prove for other posters by your posts that you're incapable of thinking on a level sufficient to understand this topic.

[Taitertots]

22. Anything to avoid supporting your assertions

At least it is good that you recognize that they are nothing but opinions and not supported by any real data.

You sure are really putting effort into bemoaning me for expecting you to support your radical claims. If you had anything to support them it would have taken half as long to post it as you have spent trying to insult me. I'm sure the other posters will see you have done nothing but try to insult me for expecting you to rationally discuss the topic and support your position.

[TexasObserver]

23. "Police abuse" + DU search + google + youtube = knowledge. Get some.

I've invited you to educate yourself. You can start right here on DU. Search DU for "police" or "cops" and I am certain you'll have enough reading to last you several months. Do that, and then I'll carry on this discussion with you further. As long as you refuse to educate yourself, you'll remain uninformed.

[Taitertots]

24. I've got access to Jstor, proquest, PYSCarticles, ABI/INFORM.....

Real peer reviewed sources.

""Police abuse" + google + youtube = knowledge". I'd have to spend months just filtering through the Alex Jones level websites that come up. Why don't you get access to real peer reviewed journals and we can both spend the next few months educating ourselves?

[conscious evolution]

31. Its a typical

response by riechwingers to attack the messenger or the style of argument.
My advice-quit wasting time with those who use riechwing tactics.

[TexasObserver]

32. I only use right wing meme meisters as foils.

If I respond to them, it's because I have something I want to say about their point of view. In this subthread my point was he refuses to be educated on this topic, or he wouldn't take the positions he has taken. I'm not really responding to him so much as calling bogus all who argue like him and share his right wing views.

[NeedleCast]

35. Asking someone to provide evidence of a claim is "riechwing" tactics?

Huh...

[Occulus]

14. Observation: you are an Authoritarian.

I mean that in the sense of Altmeyer's work on the subject. You might want to check out his "The Authoritarians" (hint: it's not an instruction manual), because he was talking about you and people like you.

[TommyO]

28. Read some of the other articles there, and the comments

The people posting there have no business being in law enforcement, hell, they don't even belong at a fast food counter with their un-American, everybody else is scum attitudes.

[Dawson Leery]

34. Go to officer.com, they are just as bad.

Both the writers and their board members are hellbent on using all of their authority.

[NYC_SKP]

4. The first reply I read is this one:

Haven't read any others.

You know the more I read this article and the comments posted.
I think what the majority of you are saying is. Just lets get everybody on the planet into the data base so we can just sit behind a desk and push in some random names today and see how many hits we get. I guess the day of old fashioned community policing is done.Go out and find out who the bad guys are by knowing your neighborhood.We need to continue to try and keep harmony between the good people and seperate them from the criminals.This is not about not allowing police to do there job, it is about keeping good people from feeling that they are being discriminated against.Dont' let this be a profiling issue which is what I think The governor has in mind.What do you think.

I like this guy.

On edit, guy or woman.

[Dawson Leery]

6. There are 2 posters who

are against taking information from all. The rest of them are bitching about the 'evil' liberals.

[MindPilot]

5. In a cop's mind everyone who is not a cop is a criminal. n/t

[Taitertots]

8. That is a nice little assertion, care to back it up with the tiniest scrap of evidence

A criminal justice or psychology journal would suffice.

[Occulus]

18. No amount of evidence will ever satisfy you.

I've seen that for myself on more than one thread you've participated in.

[Taitertots]

25. Easy to say while you are producing no evidence n/t

[MindPilot]

33. Ya know sometimes people draw conclusions about the world around them

and those conclusions are still accurate even though they don't appear in a "journal" but are based on things like personal experience and direct observation.

[Taitertots]

36. That only makes sense when your experience reflects more than a fraction of one percent of the topic

Which is the reason why qualified professionals generate studies using non-biased methodology. Then these results are analyzed and reviewed by other professionals to determine if the methodology and results are correct.

[TexasObserver]

19. That's why one cop will lie for another one who has committed a crime.

They will protect a real criminal - an officer who has beaten a cuffed suspect, for example - instead of protecting the innocent victim of such beating.

Yes, there are some good apples, but the norm is to close ranks behind the cops who have done wrong.

[TexasObserver]

15. The comments are examples of the generally brutish attitude.

They don't care about the constitution. They think civil rights were invented to stop them from busting heads. They want to mete out judgment and punishment, and often do, with no evidence whatsoever.

We have to bring law enforcement to heel. The became out of control under Bush, and remain so today.

[Rex]

26. Ah yes! Blame those wildeye liberals!

Beat them bash them shoot them spray them and tazer them until they are dead, just what I want to see from cops. Hate hate hate those liberals! :puke:

Wait, that has to be a joke I don't believe modern cops are that fucking stupid and clueless about society.

[TommyO]

27. A comment on another article there

http://www.policeone.com/patrol-issues/articles/2139113-Cop-fatally-shoots-sword-wielding-man/

Oh come on guys!!! We all know that they should have let one of them get a limb cut off before they shot him so it would be justified?? Because until then he hadn't committed any "real" crime???? I HATE PANTY WAISTED, LEFT WING, COMMIE, LIBERAL #*$&!^# They will be the first ones calling when this d-bags little brother breaks into their house and complain "we ain't doing nothing to help them" OH SHUT THE #*$& UP!!!!!!!!!!!1

[Mariana]

29. Man, I sure wouldn't want to encounter this person.

Can you even imagine how he behaves toward people in person - knowing he has the gun, the taser and the badge and will almost certainly get away with whatever he does?

[TexasObserver]

30. It's a very serious concern. Far too many have no business with a badge.

They lack any of the qualities we want in our law enforcement.